Earl Thomas to hold out until contract resolved

[toffee]

Earl has made enough to date to offset any fines imposed. He can holdout this season and next few seasons if he wanted to.

I believe it's a matter of principle now. He has seen Lynch, Kam, etc do this before him and they got extensions. It may not be similar to what he is doing but the results he wants is practically the same. He probably could do better just staying away from social media for awhile.

Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack are doing the same for their respective teams (in terms of holding out and not playing until they get a new one).

Yes he could sit out the whole year. He would then still owe Seattle a yr of service under his contract and he can sit out again. He would never make another cent from the hawks yet they would retain his rights. He has made a ton of money yes, hes also presenty proving nothing means more to him than money.

Pete and John with blessing from Paul did make Earl the highest paid FS. That didn't mean nothing, didn't stop him running to pimp to the Girls, to Mark Davis, and now in Cleveland .... pimping again. He posted recently that God is with him on the holding out. SO, he and thy Lord want more money. May be Earl is a building a cathedral in Dallas or something?

Got to luv the guy, Earl is my dawg.

Does he sit and stay for you? You said he is ya dawg. LMAO :stirthepot:

Was channeling Bruce Irving was all:




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[Seahawkfan80]

Yes he could sit out the whole year. He would then still owe Seattle a yr of service under his contract and he can sit out again. He would never make another cent from the hawks yet they would retain his rights. He has made a ton of money yes, hes also presenty proving nothing means more to him than money.

Pete and John with blessing from Paul did make Earl the highest paid FS. That didn't mean nothing, didn't stop him running to pimp to the Girls, to Mark Davis, and now in Cleveland .... pimping again. He posted recently that God is with him on the holding out. SO, he and thy Lord want more money. May be Earl is a building a cathedral in Dallas or something?

Got to luv the guy, Earl is my dawg.

Does he sit and stay for you? You said he is ya dawg. LMAO :stirthepot:

Was channeling Bruce Irving was all:

Is all good Toffee. Just jacking wit ya. Happy Seahawk day to you.

 

[toffee]

Pete and John with blessing from Paul did make Earl the highest paid FS. That didn't mean nothing, didn't stop him running to pimp to the Girls, to Mark Davis, and now in Cleveland .... pimping again. He posted recently that God is with him on the holding out. SO, he and thy Lord want more money. May be Earl is a building a cathedral in Dallas or something?

Got to luv the guy, Earl is my dawg.

Does he sit and stay for you? You said he is ya dawg. LMAO :stirthepot:

Was channeling Bruce Irving was all:

Is all good Toffee. Just jacking wit ya. Happy Seahawk day to you.

We’re all having a bit of summer fun!


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[ImTheScientist]

I would not let him walk. I would franchise tag him next year. If he wants to sit out, franchise the year after that. Don’t let players dictate where they go. Play hardball.

 

[toffee]

I would not let him walk. I would franchise tag him next year. If he wants to sit out, franchise the year after that. Don’t let players dictate where they go. Play hardball.

There are consequences to that approach too, free agents won't join the hawks if they have a choice. Earl's a special case, his "come get me" at the Girls open the door for John to play hardball with sympathy and support from ALL GMs, HCs, and ownerships around the league.

Think about it, Earl is one of the best FS in the league. Still relatively young, apparently in good shape, and wants to play. Why no takers? Not a beep from teams other the girls with their mid 2nd round pick.

I stand by my statement that no HC and GM are willing to put their own job security on the line. Earl's "come get me" made Pete looked silly, made Pete looked like he lost the locker room. If you were say Adam Gase, are you going to risk your career for Earl?

 

[IrishNW]

Trade the whiny bitch to the browns. your not part of the team Earl

 

[bigcc]

Trade the whiny bitch to the browns. your not part of the team Earl

For what exactly? If they were giving up the capital it'd be done.... Front load his contract to make him the highest paid safety for a couple of years (only 29), and and worry about it later.

I honestly think that just being named the highest paid safety would be enough for him regardless of the structure of the contract,and I don't think it's an unreasonable request at the moment.

Problem is (and likely why teams wouldn't pony up for him): if another safety gets a better contract next season, how long before he does this again....

Frustrating no matter the outcome

 

[Spin Doctor]

Earl has made enough to date to offset any fines imposed. He can holdout this season and next few seasons if he wanted to.

I believe it's a matter of principle now. He has seen Lynch, Kam, etc do this before him and they got extensions. It may not be similar to what he is doing but the results he wants is practically the same. He probably could do better just staying away from social media for awhile.

Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack are doing the same for their respective teams (in terms of holding out and not playing until they get a new one).

It isn't a matter of "having enough money to offset any fines". If he does not report by a certain date, this season will not count towards his contract. Meaning he will not be able to go to free agency. He will still be under contract. If the Hawk's really wanted to be mean about it they could franchise him for two more years as well.

Earl Thomas, I love you buddy but you are being an idiot right now. Earl Thomas has zero leverage. We are in one of the worst markets for free safeties in a long while. His value is diddly squat. We were actively shopping him and nobody wanted to even pony up a first for his services. He is making things worse with his social media activity. Normally that wouldn't mean much, but he has a history of doing questionable things. From contemplating retirement, to running into the Cowboys locker room. If I were a GM, I would absolutely be questioning his dedication to the game.

As another person has said, I don't think I've ever seen a clearly elite player with such a low stock. Ladies and gentleman, businessman extraordinaire - Earl Thomas.

 

[Popeyejones]

Earl Thomas has zero leverage.

Thomas is using the leverage he has, both by sitting out, and by keeping the story in the news. As this progresses and stays in the news the story increasingly becomes "the Seahawks have to do something", which is absolutely in his interest, and not in their interest.

Saying that he has zero leverage is like saying Julio Jones had zero leverage, and he had even less leverage than Earl Thomas. Jones used his leverage the exact same way Thomas has. It works sometimes (e.g. Jones, and on the Hawks it took a year but it worked for Kam too), and it doesn't work sometimes (Thomas so far, Le'veon Bell so far).

Like all these guys, he's playing his cards with the hand that the CBA dealt him. The CBA greatly diminishes his leverage, but he's absolutely using the leverage he has -- it's no different than agents having a crappy hand for rookies under the CBA, but still playing the hand they've been dealt and now focusing on offset language in the representation of their clients.

 

[SpokaneHawks]

Seahawks have apparently informed Earl that there will be no further negotiations. To me, this says the team is done with Earl and his antics. They wanted him to show up and lead these young guys, he didnt. Looks like we're moving on, sadly Earl's Army has lost the war.

 

[hawknation2018]

Seahawks have apparently informed Earl that there will be no further negotiations. To me, this says the team is done with Earl and his antics. They wanted him to show up and lead these young guys, he didnt. Looks like we're moving on, sadly Earl's Army has lost the war.

Not really. They can't negotiate during a hold out because of the precedent it would set. That does not mean it is in the Seahawks' best interest to trade him.

 

[Seahawks4life]

Report: Seahawks have no intention of giving Thomas new contract

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1022829976784175105[/tweet]

 

[Cyrus12]

Seahawks have apparently informed Earl that there will be no further negotiations. To me, this says the team is done with Earl and his antics. They wanted him to show up and lead these young guys, he didnt. Looks like we're moving on, sadly Earl's Army has lost the war.

Source? Right thing to do. He sewered everything he has done here when he did the Dallas stunt. Guessing it pissed off a lot of people in the franchise. I suspect he will be traded for whatever we can get. If we need a replacement the go after Reid or Vaccaro for 1 year prove it deals. Imo the Earl debacle is worse than the Hutchinson deal...

 

[Seahawks4life]

Seahawks have apparently informed Earl that there will be no further negotiations. To me, this says the team is done with Earl and his antics. They wanted him to show up and lead these young guys, he didnt. Looks like we're moving on, sadly Earl's Army has lost the war.

Source? Right thing to do. He sewered everything he has done here when he did the Dallas stunt. Guessing it pissed off a lot of people in the franchise. I suspect he will be traded for whatever we can get. If we need a replacement the go after Reid or Vaccaro for 1 year prove it deals. Imo the Earl debacle is worse than the Hutchinson deal...

look at post above yours....Seahawks Told earl before offseason activity's they will not deal with his contract.

 

[hawknation2018]

If Earl Thomas wants a long-term contract, he needs to show that he wants to play football in the long run, that he can rebound from the 2016 injury, contemplations of retirement, and 2017 regression. Being there to help your teammates and to get better as a team shows you want to do that.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Earl Thomas has zero leverage.

Thomas is using the leverage he has, both by sitting out, and by keeping the story in the news. As this progresses and stays in the news the story increasingly becomes "the Seahawks have to do something", which is absolutely in his interest, and not in their interest.

Saying that he has zero leverage is like saying Julio Jones had zero leverage, and he had even less leverage than Earl Thomas. Jones used his leverage the exact same way Thomas has. It works sometimes (e.g. Jones, and on the Hawks it took a year but it worked for Kam too), and it doesn't work sometimes (Thomas so far, Le'veon Bell so far).

Like all these guys, he's playing his cards with the hand that the CBA dealt him. The CBA greatly diminishes his leverage, but he's absolutely using the leverage he has -- it's no different than agents having a crappy hand for rookies under the CBA, but still playing the hand they've been dealt and now focusing on offset language in the representation of their clients.

Julio Jones didn't get a new contract though. The only thing they did is commute some money from his base salary in the year 2020 I believe, and place that portion as a bonus this season.

As far as leverage goes, Earl has none, period. He has no hand to play against the Seahawks. The first reason being, this is a down year for free safety salaries. Matthew, Coleman, Boston, and Brunet all received pennies on the dollar. The arguably three best free safeties on the market are still available in Vaccaro, Mitchell and Reid. In the NFL draft, a very highly lauded FS in Reid dropped like a rock. Teams are just not valuing the position very highly right now. Between the three sleeping giants in FA, and teams just not valuing the services of the FS, and Earl Thomas's antics he does not have a leg to stand on. This isn't like the Jones situation, there is no Jones waiting to be signed, and wide receivers commanded huge salaries this offseason. Even so, the best Jones got is a soft contract restructure and some time off. The market says, Thomas has no leverage. He wants Eric Berry money, in this climate he is not going to get Eric Berry money.

Thomas antics are also costing him. He contemplated retirement on social media, and he wasn't exactly a team player in 2017. These are all things that teams would weigh before trading for him, or looking for his services. He brings baggage, and when you got Mitchell, Reid, and Vaccaro available, his stock just isn't very high.

Furthermore the Seahawks have the ability to levee fines on Earl Thomas, and if he doesn't report by a certain date, the 2017 season is completely null and void, and he has to play out the 2018 season. Earl Thomas is doing nothing but hurting his brand, and stock. His best course of action would be to play out the season, and hope the stock of free safeties rises. He does not have a single iota of leverage here, especially when the Seahawks look like they really aren't keen on signing him.

 

[IrishNW]

Trade the whiny bitch to the browns. your not part of the team Earl

For what exactly? If they were giving up the capital it'd be done.... Front load his contract to make him the highest paid safety for a couple of years (only 29), and and worry about it later.

I honestly think that just being named the highest paid safety would be enough for him regardless of the structure of the contract,and I don't think it's an unreasonable request at the moment.

Problem is (and likely why teams wouldn't pony up for him): if another safety gets a better contract next season, how long before he does this again....

Frustrating no matter the outcome

a 7th round draft pick and bag of peanuts

 

[adeltaY]

Trade the whiny bitch to the browns. your not part of the team Earl

For what exactly? If they were giving up the capital it'd be done.... Front load his contract to make him the highest paid safety for a couple of years (only 29), and and worry about it later.

I honestly think that just being named the highest paid safety would be enough for him regardless of the structure of the contract,and I don't think it's an unreasonable request at the moment.

Problem is (and likely why teams wouldn't pony up for him): if another safety gets a better contract next season, how long before he does this again....

Frustrating no matter the outcome

a 7th round draft pick and bag of peanuts

Might as well cut him then

 

[IrishNW]

Trade the whiny bitch to the browns. your not part of the team Earl

For what exactly? If they were giving up the capital it'd be done.... Front load his contract to make him the highest paid safety for a couple of years (only 29), and and worry about it later.

I honestly think that just being named the highest paid safety would be enough for him regardless of the structure of the contract,and I don't think it's an unreasonable request at the moment.

Problem is (and likely why teams wouldn't pony up for him): if another safety gets a better contract next season, how long before he does this again....

Frustrating no matter the outcome

a 7th round draft pick and bag of peanuts

Might as well cut him then

nope, get a 7th rounder and all his money off the books.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Trade the whiny bitch to the browns. your not part of the team Earl

For what exactly? If they were giving up the capital it'd be done.... Front load his contract to make him the highest paid safety for a couple of years (only 29), and and worry about it later.

I honestly think that just being named the highest paid safety would be enough for him regardless of the structure of the contract,and I don't think it's an unreasonable request at the moment.

Problem is (and likely why teams wouldn't pony up for him): if another safety gets a better contract next season, how long before he does this again....

Frustrating no matter the outcome

a 7th round draft pick and bag of peanuts

Almonds....2 bags. Please. and a 7th round pic would be a bonus.