Earl Thomas expected to report week 1

[CamanoIslandJQ]

In negotiations:
--It's a given that a "buyer" starts with a lower offer and only increase their offers dependent on their desire for the commodity being bought.
--It's also a given that a "seller" starts with a higher price request and only decreases their asking price dependent on their individual opinion of the commodity being sold and their replacement.


It is possible that Dallas really does want ET and have slowly increased their offering price and they MAY continue the trade talks by adding a player or later round pick to the deal in the next day or two. Due to the holdout situation and large contract that will be required in a new contract Dallas is, to use a poker term, "slow playing" the ET trade talks to try and get the best deal possible. I think ET's time in Seattle is over & it's time to get something for him now rather than waiting until the seasons ends and ET's contract is over. My current projected trade scenario: A 2-nd and a 4-th or a 2-nd and a player (preferably a pass rusher or interior DT). IMO- An ET trade MAY very well happen this week. Maybe?
:smilingalien:

 

[JGreen79]

Walter Jones held out three straight years before playing 4 years of a 7 year deal.

I could be remembering this incorrectly, but I believe Jones' situation was that he was franchised and didn't sign his tender until the end of the pre season. Technically not a holdout as he wasn't technically under contract.

In 2002 he was franchised tagged, the team was unable to negotiate a long term deal until he signed the tag. He signed it prior to week three after seattle was 0-2.

Which still isn't a holdout as he hadn't signed the deal, so he wasn't under contract to be here. This is different than Earl or Kam who were under contract and thus held out.

Ok thats fair. How about Emmitt Smith in 93? 1 year left, held out until the team was 0-2 and the Cowgirls caved.

 

[jammerhawk]

Meh, this is more posturing.

Until he's 'in', to me he's out. We'll see what the day brings.

I personally find the report of fines being forgiven to be evidence the team is giving in to him. The team made Kam pay and should make Earl pay too for holding out. If he is not ready to play on Sunday against Denver he definitely should not receive a game cheque. Guess I'm Hawkish (sorry) on this.

I can't see how anyone can say he's being disrespected when he has been given a present top 5 contract for his position and he won't play for it. The only thing being disrespected here is the team as Earl is posturing to be better than it.

The player that most deserves/or is most likely to be cut if Thomas actually returns this week is Delano Hill.

 

[kidhawk]

I could be remembering this incorrectly, but I believe Jones' situation was that he was franchised and didn't sign his tender until the end of the pre season. Technically not a holdout as he wasn't technically under contract.

In 2002 he was franchised tagged, the team was unable to negotiate a long term deal until he signed the tag. He signed it prior to week three after seattle was 0-2.

Which still isn't a holdout as he hadn't signed the deal, so he wasn't under contract to be here. This is different than Earl or Kam who were under contract and thus held out.

Yeah maybe technically different... But if this message board was around during Jones not signing his contract & the Hawks starting 0-2 he'd be getting blasted just the same.

.NET has been around since the late 90's and I know that I recall there were some people that held his contract talks against him, especially when he later was injured, but there were also alot of people who didn't hold it against him. Similarly today you can see people who are both pro and against ET III and his situation.

One thing about this board is that it's hard to get a unanimous opinion on most subjects.

 

[Scorpion05]

Rookie Question: Can we Franchise Tag Earl Thomas next Year? Only out of interest.

Yes. But there would be another holdout.

And another year of retaining his rights to trade him.

Believe me, if Earl balls out this year and we don't reach an extension agreement with him.......he WILL be franchised. The tag for safeties is only a million more than he's making now, we'd be stupid not to franchise him and just get a 3rd round comp pick or whatever.

If he plays poorly and/or gets hurt again? See ya.

Franchising him would be the cold, business move. Although, I think that would be a dumb move by Schneider. The last thing you want to do is become the Packers or the Patriots. Unlike both, we don't have the luxury of a mostly easy division for the past 10 years(until recently for the NFC North).

You actually want free agents to come here, and for players to want to stay. People aren't exactly begging to be in Seattle. You can't treat players like crap by franchise tagging them over and over. Literally my only reason for being against Earl is his behavior last year. NFL players don't get the guarantees that NBA players do. So if Earl balls out this year and sacrifices for the team, we should either trade him before the deadline, extend him by next year, or do the right thing and let him go. I can agree that players should play out their contract but I can't agree with teams being able to do whatever they want and a player should just take it. There should be some balance in the conversation of paying players, if I was a Steelers fan for example I'd be embarrassed by how they're handling the Bell situation

 

[TwistedHusky]

The team screwed itself with the Kam holdout before.

Maybe they don't want to repeat that mistake again?

Kam holding out should have been resolved. It eventually was. The team ended up paying anyway.

But those games that Kam held out, the team lost - because the safeties were the linchpin of that defense.

That year, a Denver team missing a starting caliber QB faced a pretty crappy Panthers team in the SB. You honestly don't think that was an opportunity for a Seahawk team if we were playing those playoff games at home instead of the inside of an icebox and then the very next week going right to Panther territory?

The team screwed itself. I think they learned from this. Give Thomas what he wants. Keep him as long as you can afford him. Because it gets worse when you don't have him.

 

[massari]

Freeing up all that cap room while getting a 2nd (which may be a high 2nd) seems like the right thing to do when a guy is almost 30 years old, has been vocal on numerous occasions he'd rather play for his home team and skipped all of training camp/preseason in his final year of his contract.

Maybe they feel it won't affect his play or the team chemistry, and they're planning to franchise tag him next season then get a comp pick for him after that.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Or we could pay him, and just save the money by not overpaying for overrated, no longer viable free agents. That way we get the best of both worlds.

Saving cap room doesn't help when you turn around and blow it on Joekel because he, at one time, was a 1st round draft pick 27,373 years ago. If we just kept the guys we know can produce, we would have been better off for longer.

 

[Mistashoesta]

They gave up a 2nd and 3rd for Dwayne, and although he has been great, he isn't quite a first ballot HOF player (yet). You would be ok with giving up Earl just for a 2nd? Ludicrous.

 

[vin.couve12]

What's relative is priority. Pass rusher money is infinitely more important to be spending on next year than a 30 year old safety who will have to cover 4+ seconds anyway when said 30 year old safety is losing their greatest asset: speed.

Cart before horse. He still needs to be traded for hard assets.

 

[KillerB]

...This was always the deal. And get used to it, we're going to repeat the same thing next year, maybe the next two. And he's playing Sunday. Did Walt not sit out all camp every year and play in week 1?

Correct, about the next year or possibly two. Franchise next year then release and get a comp pick. Assuming he's still as good as ever on the field.

 

[Tical21]

Earl disrespected the Hawks by going into the Cowboys locker room and visiting buddies on his favorite NFL team, and made a stupid comment. No question. But the overreaction to it by the media and fan base is miles over the top.

Earl is 29, a HOFer in his prime. Has given every piece of himself every time he has been asked. Hasn't had the kind of injuries that slow a career, and is still lightning fast. That is a player you re-sign. I'm sorry. Not being willing to engage him in contract talks or being willing to trade him to someone that wants him is disrespectful. He's never going to get a big multi-year deal. You're screwing him out of that. However, it is correct. Franchising him the next two years is the correct football move, and the correct business move. Yet, it is still disrespectful to a top-5 player in your franchise's history.

 

[canucklehead]

A pointless outcome to a pointless stand.

 

[Maulbert]

Earl disrespected the Hawks by going into the Cowboys locker room and visiting buddies on his favorite NFL team, and made a stupid comment. No question. But the overreaction to it by the media and fan base is miles over the top.

Earl is 29, a HOFer in his prime. Has given every piece of himself every time he has been asked. Hasn't had the kind of injuries that slow a career, and is still lightning fast. That is a player you re-sign. I'm sorry. Not being willing to engage him in contract talks or being willing to trade him to someone that wants him is disrespectful. He's never going to get a big multi-year deal. You're screwing him out of that. However, it is correct. Franchising him the next two years is the correct football move, and the correct business move. Yet, it is still disrespectful to a top-5 player in your franchise's history.

I don't think we're willing to trade him. Pete and John know no one will pay our asking price.

 

[Blitzer88]

Honestly, I love Earl and he has done great things for us and has been a warrior on the field. However, if Dallas did up the pick to a 2nd, I would have taken it because at this point it seems like we will get nothing for him if/when he walks after this season.

 

[Tical21]

Honestly, I love Earl and he has done great things for us and has been a warrior on the field. However, if Dallas did up the pick to a 2nd, I would have taken it because at this point it seems like we will get nothing for him if/when he walks after this season.

We'll still get a 3rd round comp pick.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[vin.couve12]

The disrespect won't be forgotten?

Dude's gone next year regardless.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Tical, if they signed him to a big extension, you would say they are stupid. If they DON'T sign him, you're saying they are stupid. They flat you can't win.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

A full season of Earl with a 3rd round comp coming back if he leaves next year > Trading him now for a 2nd. That's IF he stays healthy and is his normal dominant self on the field. No guarantee that a 2nd will even come CLOSE to what he brings to the table on the field.