Dolphins landed the biggest trade in years due to Lance

[FrodosFinger]

 

[bileever]

Just a dumb graphic. Dishonest as well.

Lance trade hasn't worked out yet, and very possibly it may never given the way Purdy played last year....

...but the graphic leaves out that the Dolphins ALSO traded the below on top of the picks the 49ers gave them:

Hill:
2022 2nd round pick
2022 4th round pick
2023 4th round pick
2023 6th round pick
Give Hill new contract - over 120 million

Waddle and 2021 5th round pick:
2022 1st round pick
2021 4th round pick

Chubb and 2025 5th round pick:
2024 4th round pick
RB Chase Edmunds
Give Chubb new contract - over 110 million


Whether the 49ers made a wise move in the trade is certainly up for debate, but come on...at least be honest in the comparison. Hill and Chubb were only available due to original teams not wanting to pay those contracts.

The trade actually looks worse if you look at what the 49ers gave up, and who they could have had, instead of looking at what Miami ended up with.

2021 1st round, pick 12. This ended up being Micah Parsons--imagine him on the other end of the line with Nick Bosa.
2022 1st round, pick 29. NE ended up with the pick, drafted Cole Strange, but presumably 49ers would have made a better choice, maybe someone to replace the now departed McGlinchey.
2022 3rd round, pick 102.
2023 1st round, pick 29. This was Bryan Bresee, but could have also taken Keanu Benton, and could have gotten a good interior D-lineman on the cheap instead of paying $84 million for Hargrave.

The 4 players drafted with the picks used to acquire Trey Lance

Let’s try and guess who the 49ers would have selected if they stayed put.

www.ninersnation.com

 

[94Smith]

2023 1st round, pick 29. This was Bryan Bresee, but could have also taken Keanu Benton, and could have gotten a good interior D-lineman on the cheap instead of paying $84 million for Hargrave.

Yeah because some random D lineman in late 1st round is going to have the same production as Javon Hargrave. These guys only pan out 40 % of the time and usually as just a starter.

 

[Marvin49]

The trade actually looks worse if you look at what the 49ers gave up, and who they could have had, instead of looking at what Miami ended up with.

2021 1st round, pick 12. This ended up being Micah Parsons--imagine him on the other end of the line with Nick Bosa.
2022 1st round, pick 29. NE ended up with the pick, drafted Cole Strange, but presumably 49ers would have made a better choice, maybe someone to replace the now departed McGlinchey.
2022 3rd round, pick 102.
2023 1st round, pick 29. This was Bryan Bresee, but could have also taken Keanu Benton, and could have gotten a good interior D-lineman on the cheap instead of paying $84 million for Hargrave.

The 4 players drafted with the picks used to acquire Trey Lance

Let’s try and guess who the 49ers would have selected if they stayed put.

www.ninersnation.com

Not really the point.

The point is that the graphic is dishonest.

As for who was taken with those picks....once the Niners took Lance at #3, that had a cascading effect on the draft so there is really no way to know what would have happened instead. Do the Dolphins still trade down? If they don't, do they take Waddle at 3? At that point its a useless endeavor.

 

[CactusJack]

This thread is quite the read.

Btw, I didn't realize there we're that many Niners fans on the forum lol.

 

[Weadoption]

was a dick move on my part even to post that pic

 

[CactusJack]

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Fair game.

The Adams trade clearly hasn't worked out in our favor. As the guy has barely been healthy. Has basically been sidelined for 2 full seasons. The trade was obviously a mistake.

Fwiw I wouldn't let the OP get under your skin.

 

[bileever]

Yeah because some random D lineman in late 1st round is going to have the same production as Javon Hargrave. These guys only pan out 40 % of the time and usually as just a starter.

You might be right, but I will give you 49ers fan a hard time every chance I get. That's what you're here for, right?

 

[CouchLogic]

Mods? can we merge this with one of the other dozens of Lance threads?

Yeah, put them all in the Trey Lance us @$$ thread...It has the best ring to it.

 

[MORGULON]

This thread is quite the read.

Btw, I didn't realize there we're that many Niners fans on the forum lol.

Yeah , that's what I was thinking. I don't think there would be any situation where I would want to hang out at ninerzone or whatever they call it. But If I were a miner fan , I wouldn't want to hang out with miner fans

 

[CactusJack]

Yeah , that's what I was thinking. I don't think there would be any situation where I would want to hang out at ninerzone or whatever they call it. But If I were a miner fan , I wouldn't want to hang out with miner fans

I think it's kind of odd myself, that rival fans would decide to post on a rival teams forum. But as long as their not actively trolling, more power to them.

I know I couldn't do it.

 

[49fansinceBrodie]

Lance was just a bad decision . All teams make them from time to time.

A really bad decision. Take away John lynch's draft ability type of bad decision.

It's funny , niner fans on a Seahawk message board complaining Seahawk fans are piling on the miners.

it helps pass the time.

 

[49fansinceBrodie]

The trade actually looks worse if you look at what the 49ers gave up, and who they could have had, instead of looking at what Miami ended up with.

2021 1st round, pick 12. This ended up being Micah Parsons--imagine him on the other end of the line with Nick Bosa.
2022 1st round, pick 29. NE ended up with the pick, drafted Cole Strange, but presumably 49ers would have made a better choice, maybe someone to replace the now departed McGlinchey.
2022 3rd round, pick 102.
2023 1st round, pick 29. This was Bryan Bresee, but could have also taken Keanu Benton, and could have gotten a good interior D-lineman on the cheap instead of paying $84 million for Hargrave.

The 4 players drafted with the picks used to acquire Trey Lance

Let’s try and guess who the 49ers would have selected if they stayed put.

www.ninersnation.com

Since Lynch is completely incompetent he would have drafted three other busts, right?

 

[FrodosFinger]

Since Lynch is completely incompetent he would have drafted three other busts, right?

He’s drafted more busts in such a short amount of time than any GM in the history of sports. Guys like Reuben Foster, Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd, Solomon Thomas and Jevon Kinlaw. That’s just off the top of my head without google lol

 

[Marvin49]

He’s drafted more busts in such a short amount of time than any GM in the history of sports. Guys like Reuben Foster, Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd, Solomon Thomas and Jevon Kinlaw. That’s just off the top of my head without google lol

Methinks you don't know anything about history...

...and funny that you DON'T mention:

Nick Bosa
Fred Warner
Deebo Samuel
Brandon Aiyuk
George Kittle
Talanoa Hufanga
Dre Greenlaw

...or a host of others that he also drafted. He's assembled what many say is the best roster in the NFL...but you think he sucks. That tells me everything I need to know about you. Funniest part tho was the mention of Jalen Hurd...as if their first 2 picks of that same draft weren't Nick Bosa and Deebo Samuel...or that they took Greenlaw later.

He also traded for Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey. I mean it's fun to point out just how much you don't know, but I'm starting to feel guilty about how easy this is.

 

[94Smith]

He’s drafted more busts in such a short amount of time than any GM in the history of sports. Guys like Reuben Foster, Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd, Solomon Thomas and Jevon Kinlaw. That’s just off the top of my head without google lol

Dee Eskridge, Marquise Blair, LJ Collier, Cody Barton, Malik McDowell, Paul Richardson

 

[FrodosFinger]

Dee Eskridge, Marquise Blair, LJ Collier, Cody Barton, Malik McDowell, Paul Richardson

Paul Richardson and Cody Barton both signed second contracts. Blair was injury. Collier and McDowell agreed although both showed some upside even had McDowell start for the Browns. Lynch doesn’t do any due diligence in scouting. Obviously with no chip in 30 years the proof is in the pudding guy. Think damnit think!!

 

[94Smith]

Paul Richardson and Cody Barton both signed second contracts. Blair was injury. Collier and McDowell agreed although both showed some upside even had McDowell start for the Browns. Lynch doesn’t do any due diligence in scouting. Obviously with no chip in 30 years the proof is in the pudding guy. Think damnit think!!

Kinlaw and Hurd were/are injuries. Pettis and Thomas are still starters in the league. Reuben Thomas was a gamble. Cody Barton is certified dog poo. Paul Richardson has similar stats to Pettis

 

[94Smith]

Obviously with no chip in 30 years the proof is in the pudding guy. Think damnit think!!

2013 was 10 YEARS ago. Also if Schnieder and Co can get this iteration of the seahawks past the first round after they caught lightning in a bottle in the 2010-2012 drafts , I'll believe in him as the superior GM

 

[bileever]

I'm not going to get into a discussion about whether your GM is dumber than my GM. But safe to say neither are geniuses. Suffice it to say that I wish Lynch was more incompetent than he is. I just hope Lynch makes a few more mistakes, and hope that Schneider has learned from his mistakes and stops making them.

(On trading QBs, I would say trading Russell Wilson for draft picks worked out better than trading a bunch of picks for Trey Lance.)