Do you agree with Luke Willson?

[CalgaryFan05]

I like your take. But I would drop the "back in college" and give the guy another chance, hopefully with an O Line more conducive to his scheme. And I especially like that even though our playoffs hopes are dim the season is not over until we have played our last game.

Nope.... Grubb's gotta go. Run resistance isn't all on the Oline. He should be able to use outside motion and screens that mask the oline problem.

Other teams do it.

And he can take that backwards facing Nickelodeon-esque baseball cap back to college with him.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

What ever happened to the motions to confuse the defense and all the hype we heard in pre-season, how this offense was going to light it up?

THIS. ALL OF THIS.

Waldron 2.0 - Never saw the TE game with him, but he sure sold the **** out of it pre-season.

Same with this. Watch the scripted portion of the Vikings game. THAT was what he should have been doing ALL Season. What MM has been SAYING he's supposed to do.

Grubb's gotta go. He sucks. And he's stubborn - that dog ain't learning any new tricks. And, ya, I'm pissed about it. IMO his bullshit (admittedly - he's not 100% of the problem, we have other warts) lost us the season.

80% pass ratio. WTF.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Luke is 100% right.

If this were auto racing and OC is the designer and engineer for the car, you'd never be able to measure the ability or true ability of the driver in wins and losses (QB, RB, WR) until the car is in an optimal state to be driven.

Grubb has handed over the keys to a car that has to be driven on the edge to win. And if you are always driving on the edge, you are bound to make mistakes.

You have to set aside standard metrics and look at the skill being wielded by the driver to keep the car even competitive... thats the only was to find the truth of the situation.

A great driver can finish 7th every race in a sub-par machine but if in a better car, be top 2 or 3.

In this case, we have our top players at key positions under performing.

All the circular debate around Geno is entirely missing the point because its like ragging on a driver for going off track repeatedly in turns because he is driving hard, trying to win with a car that, if it was driven normally, would never win.

Grubb's offense is ineffective and often backwards by NFL standards. If he was just another college OC and hadnt done freat things at Washington, i dont think he woukd be getting the forgiveness he's been getting here. The fact that he is 'Grubb' has clouded judgement around what he's doing because of the 'genius lable' he's been tagged with (ironically the opposite scenario for Geno).

No matter the shape of the car, our driver is going to crash in a corner eventually. He is part of the problem.

 

[hawks85]

I don't see how Grubb can get a second chance. He instinctually runs away from the run game and it doesn't look like he's made any progress. I was pumped up after the Cardinals game. I thought he figured it out. I was wrong.

It sucks too because I wanted him here and really thought he could adjust. After the Packers game I was convinced he's not a fit for the NFL but after the Vikings game I was completely done with him. There's not a single good reason to have 13 called run plays in that game, not one. You don't do that against a top team with a good defense playing for a playoff spot. No excuses, he's just not ready to be an offensive coordinator in the NFL.

I watch UW and Grubb is running that offense scheme with Seattle. Grubb doesn't like running the ball. I'm SHOCKED Macdonald didn't fire his ass during the bye. I KNEW by this time in the season this forum would be talking about Grubb not running the ball, I KNEW IT. NOW people know why I didn't want his ass calling plays here. NOW you know why. His stupid run n gun offensive scheme is hindering our defense.

 

[cymatica]

I watch UW and Grubb is running that offense scheme with Seattle. Grubb doesn't like running the ball. I'm SHOCKED Macdonald didn't fire his ass during the bye. I KNEW by this time in the season this forum would be talking about Grubb not running the ball, I KNEW IT. NOW people know why I didn't want his ass calling plays here. NOW you know why. His stupid run n gun offensive scheme is hindering our defense.

I'm 100% guilty of wishful thinking. I thought Frasier and MacDonald could influence him just enough to change it up a little but now it's painfully obvious it's in his DNA to not run the ball

 

[hawks85]

I'm 100% guilty of wishful thinking. I thought Frasier and MacDonald could influence him just enough to change it up a little but now it's painfully obvious it's in his DNA to not run the ball

Just imagine if we had more of a balanced offense. We 100 percent would not be 8-7 right now.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

It is too simplistic to say even average play from the interior of our line would make all the difference, all else being equal? Even Grubb

 

[keasley45]

No matter the shape of the car, our driver is going to crash in a corner eventually. He is part of the problem.

Of course

 

[keasley45]

I watch UW and Grubb is running that offense scheme with Seattle. Grubb doesn't like running the ball. I'm SHOCKED Macdonald didn't fire his ass during the bye. I KNEW by this time in the season this forum would be talking about Grubb not running the ball, I KNEW IT. NOW people know why I didn't want his ass calling plays here. NOW you know why. His stupid run n gun offensive scheme is hindering our defense.

This.

I remember watching his offense and Penix in the championship game and when he was hired thinking - i hope that egg he laid against an NFL inspired Harbaugh D isnt what we are getting. Unfortunately, it has been. Harbaugh had him figured from the opening kick. All Grubb could do was try to come up with different ways to pass his way out of trouble. And all that came of it was getting smacked in the face.

No run game. No ball control.

Grubb wants to win one way and one way only - selfishly via throwing the ball. He has flatly ignored developing a run attack and in - game, abandons running at all. Even when the line has shown of late thr ability to gain productive yards on the ground.

Moments of flash intermingled within a largely incoherent attack.

I dont get how Mac hasnt been more direct in exerting influence over the offense. Makes me wonder what the natire of their relationship really is. Is Mac mandating something Grubb is just ignoring come Sunday? Or is their some deference to Grubb, given his age (and inferred wisdom)?

Problem is, their have been enough F ups by individual players on the team and wxentuating circumstances (ie injuries) that an honest evaluation of Grubb's performance has been hard to come by.

But yeah. He may one day be a decent NFL level playcaller but i dont care to see us give him another shot here.

 

[Jazzhawk]

Luke:
1. Geno isn't the issue
2. Grubb has work to do
3. The season is over.

I agree with 1 & 2. I do not agree with #3.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I watch UW and Grubb is running that offense scheme with Seattle. Grubb doesn't like running the ball. I'm SHOCKED Macdonald didn't fire his ass during the bye. I KNEW by this time in the season this forum would be talking about Grubb not running the ball, I KNEW IT. NOW people know why I didn't want his ass calling plays here. NOW you know why. His stupid run n gun offensive scheme is hindering our defense.

I was more indifferent than anything to Grubb's hire but I saw some of you all that were more vocally opposed and unfortunately, yeah, you guys were completely right. He's just completely unprepared for NFL level play calling.

It is too simplistic to say even average play from the interior of our line would make all the difference, all else being equal? Even Grubb

Unfortunately, yeah. Is the Offensive Line bad? Yeah. But they were bad last year. They were subpar (if not outright bad) in 2022. Our offense was much more coherent than this both years.

Grubb makes inexplicable decisions and is for some strange reason, completely incapable of taking progress he made in one game into the next. It's like we start from scratch how to put together an offense every single game.

And his sense of game situation is remarkably poor. The Vikings game was the final nail in the coffin for me. On the missed Field Goal drive, we crossed into Vikings territory, just outside of field goal range, 3 minutes on the clock. We want to secure Field Goal range, so we can be in control of the end of the game. We want to bleed clock. The Vikings are DEFENDING against the pass!

This is like, every single signal you can possibly ask for is saying 'Run the ball. Run the ball. Run... the damn... ball.'

So, of course, we pass... pass... pass. On the first play, why do we have 1 checkdown route and then 3 guys running routes over 10 yards deep? Like WTF? Yes, have a guy running that deep route for the go-ahead TD that maybe they blow coverage, but read the moment, dude! We are trying to control the clock!

The line problems, those are real. But there are so many issues that can't be explained away by O-Line issues. I want the guy to succeed. I love the idea that he came from the Huskies... but I think in order to earn another season there has to be some level of growth that just doesn't feel like it's there.

 

[HomerJHawk]

So, is Geno the car, then?

 

[GemCity]

We’ve seen Geno do well and ‘fit’ in a system. I truly thought he’d be a top 5-7 QB this year.

The problem is…’a system’. Geno’s deficiencies have been exasperated in Grubb’s system. Obviously, it’s not just Geno. The whole damn offense is sputtering.
I can’t imagine how K9 feels.

You can sense the frustration. The players are feeling it…square peg/round hole.

Agree with the season being over. Yea, there are still games to play.

But…this team isn’t a threat. Even if we have a magical rabbit stuffed in each of our asses right now and somehow get a wildcard, it’s a quick exit.

It’ll be interesting to see what MM does offensively after this year. We’ve been fairly hesitant to fire coordinators in the past (maybe KNJ being around so long is skewing my perspective here). MM just doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that’s going to sugarcoat things…

 

[keasley45]

So, is Geno the car, then?

Geno is the driver. The offense is the car

 

[FreshBoxLive]

I like your take. But I would drop the "back in college" and give the guy another chance, hopefully with an O Line more conducive to his scheme. And I especially like that even though our playoffs hopes are dim the season is not over until we have played our last game.

How about a power run attack? Top teams in this league have a balance of run and pass. I am so fed up with this air raid BS. He needs to go, it's far to risky to keep him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No matter the shape of the car, our driver is going to crash in a corner eventually. He is part of the problem.

Yep, and to claim that Geno isn't the problem or at least a big part of the problem is just burying your head in the sand.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We’ve seen Geno do well and ‘fit’ in a system. I truly thought he’d be a top 5-7 QB this year.

The problem is…’a system’. Geno’s deficiencies have been exasperated in Grubb’s system. Obviously, it’s not just Geno. The whole damn offense is sputtering.
I can’t imagine how K9 feels.

You can sense the frustration. The players are feeling it…square peg/round hole.

Agree with the season being over. Yea, there are still games to play.

But…this team isn’t a threat. Even if we have a magical rabbit stuffed in each of our asses right now and somehow get a wildcard, it’s a quick exit.

It’ll be interesting to see what MM does offensively after this year. We’ve been fairly hesitant to fire coordinators in the past (maybe KNJ being around so long is skewing my perspective here). MM just doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that’s going to sugarcoat things…

With all due respect, the season is NOT over. Until they are eliminated, the season isn't over.

 

[chrispy]

MMacDonald is all about accountability. Grubb wouldn't be the OC if his plan had been to throw 60% of the time when he was interviewed. So...he's not doing what he says he's going to do.

Now, we see that in other parts of the offense. KWalker dancing instead of cut-and-go. DK running lazy routes. Geno trying to do too much. OLine penalties and missed assignments.. You have to do what you say you're gunna do or no one else that's accountable to you will do what they say they're gunna do.

The D continues to show up with signs of big leaps in productivity. Why not on O? I don't think it's only questionable play calling. That's a symptom of lack of accountability being projected by OC. ...just my 2 cents.

 

[GemCity]

With all due respect, the season is NOT over. Until they are eliminated, the season isn't over.

I 100% understand your perspective. Mathematically, you are certainly correct.

But this team has placed their playoff odds in the hands of others.

Don’t get me wrong, the homer in me is dying to see us win every damn game. Reality dictates a very different potential.

 

[warden]

Hard to judge Grubb. With the Huskies, he had the best offensive lineman in College. We just can’t run with any consistency wit this line which just throw everything else off big time. I just can’t see Schneider fixing this