Do you agree with Luke Willson?

[toffee]

Luke:
1. Geno isn't the issue
2. Grubb has work to do
3. The season is over.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

1) Geno is part of the issue
2) Grubb has work to do...back in college
3) The hopes for a deep playoff run are over

 

[Appyhawk]

1) Geno is part of the issue
2) Grubb has work to do...back in college
3) The hopes for a deep playoff run are over

I like your take. But I would drop the "back in college" and give the guy another chance, hopefully with an O Line more conducive to his scheme. And I especially like that even though our playoffs hopes are dim the season is not over until we have played our last game.

 

[toffee]

I like your take. But I would drop the "back in college" and give the guy another chance, hopefully with an O Line more conducive to his scheme. And I especially like that even though our playoffs hopes are dim the season is not over until we have played our last game.

If we bite the bullet and switch to a new play caller 4 - 5 games ago, we just might be getting ready for the playoff and not dreaming of the playoff.

 

[cymatica]

I don't see how Grubb can get a second chance. He instinctually runs away from the run game and it doesn't look like he's made any progress. I was pumped up after the Cardinals game. I thought he figured it out. I was wrong.

It sucks too because I wanted him here and really thought he could adjust. After the Packers game I was convinced he's not a fit for the NFL but after the Vikings game I was completely done with him. There's not a single good reason to have 13 called run plays in that game, not one. You don't do that against a top team with a good defense playing for a playoff spot. No excuses, he's just not ready to be an offensive coordinator in the NFL.

 

[CouchLogic]

I'd like to see a more seasoned OC, the young hot shot got his chance and it wasn't a good fit. Maybe if we had a top-tier OL, but who couldn't make that work, haha.

It was only a few weeks ago Grubb stated he wasn't making the right adjustments to his system. That seemed real late into the season (especially this one) to even realize changes need to be made. To me, that was when I'd seen enough [lol].

 

[toffee]

No disrespect or hate for Coach Grubb, and he might develop into a decent NFL OC someday, but for this season, he was the wrong choice. This is how I came to that conclusion:

He inherited a decent offense packed with veterans and a few youngsters in skill positions ready to break out. Result? His QB, WR1, RB1 all suffered a subpar season, his offense only worked the few times when his QB or RB wore their Superman cape. No, Grubb is not ready for the NFL, and I didn't see much improvement over the games. The Grubb today isn't that much different from the Grubb of 16 games ago.

 

[AROS]

Done with him. Next man up.

 

[PhxPhin]

Aside from run/pass decisions and play calls not always aligning with down & distance, the team is deep into the season and there continues to be players on separate pages - WR/QB concepts, OL not in sync with each other and RBs taking it spots not aligning with blocking, continued penalties just getting set and going

There are some things I like, but a big part of coaching is getting everyone moving in the same direction in the correct way and that just isn't happening

 

[keasley45]

Luke is 100% right.

If this were auto racing and OC is the designer and engineer for the car, you'd never be able to measure the ability or true ability of the driver in wins and losses (QB, RB, WR) until the car is in an optimal state to be driven.

Grubb has handed over the keys to a car that has to be driven on the edge to win. And if you are always driving on the edge, you are bound to make mistakes.

You have to set aside standard metrics and look at the skill being wielded by the driver to keep the car even competitive... thats the only was to find the truth of the situation.

A great driver can finish 7th every race in a sub-par machine but if in a better car, be top 2 or 3.

In this case, we have our top players at key positions under performing.

All the circular debate around Geno is entirely missing the point because its like ragging on a driver for going off track repeatedly in turns because he is driving hard, trying to win with a car that, if it was driven normally, would never win.

Grubb's offense is ineffective and often backwards by NFL standards. If he was just another college OC and hadnt done freat things at Washington, i dont think he woukd be getting the forgiveness he's been getting here. The fact that he is 'Grubb' has clouded judgement around what he's doing because of the 'genius lable' he's been tagged with (ironically the opposite scenario for Geno).

 

[Nv_Hawks]

What ever happened to the motions to confuse the defense and all the hype we heard in pre-season, how this offense was going to light it up?

 

[Lagartixa]

If we bite the bullet and switch to a new play caller 4 - 5 games ago, we just might be getting ready for the playoff and not dreaming of the playoff.

Right, because good NFL play callers are a dime a dozen and they're easy to find in week 12-13 of an NFL season.

I think your argument in the later comment about why you think Grubb was the wrong choice is pretty good. I just think it's silly to suggest that the Seahawks could just magically find a guy who could do the job better than Grubb in the middle of an NFL season.

 

[flv2]

The Seahawks offensive starters are all physically talented individuals but Smith-Njigba is the only offensive starter i'd want to acquire from this team. They don't appear to be smart football players. They don't always seem to understand what they should or shouldn't be doing, or why. Route running and effort is inconsistent. The coaching and/or scheme has been ineffective. I think the collective makes Smith look worse than he is but ultimately Smith isn't an above-average player.

In short the O-Line needs more talented players and the skill positions need better coaching.

 

[Hollandhawk]

I don't see how Grubb can get a second chance. He instinctually runs away from the run game and it doesn't look like he's made any progress. I was pumped up after the Cardinals game. I thought he figured it out. I was wrong.

This. I tend to give coaches and coordinators the benefit of the doubt since I figure they are professionals and I'm watching on my couch. However, the way he goes away from the run and just lets the defense pass rush and destroy Geno is mind blowing. I can't come to any other conclusion that he is in way over his head and probably has a severe case of Dunning-Kruger.

 

[Ozzy]

He does some really cool things when you dive into the tape but he also failed in some key areas too. I still think with a good line Grubb would be awesome but with a bad line he’s not very good if that makes sense? If they keep him and the line gels he’s going to do some good stuff. It’s just a gamble at this point that can happen quickly. I trust Macdonald either way

 

[onanygivensunday]

For the better part of the season our offense 'played behind the sticks'.

If that's on Grubb, then I agree that he should be replaced with a more seasoned OC.

 

[bigskydoc]

Luke is 100% right.

If this were auto racing and OC is the designer and engineer for the car, you'd never be able to measure the ability or true ability of the driver in wins and losses (QB, RB, WR) until the car is in an optimal state to be driven.

Grubb has handed over the keys to a car that has to be driven on the edge to win. And if you are always driving on the edge, you are bound to make mistakes.

You have to set aside standard metrics and look at the skill being wielded by the driver to keep the car even competitive... thats the only was to find the truth of the situation.

A great driver can finish 7th every race in a sub-par machine but if in a better car, be top 2 or 3.

In this case, we have our top players at key positions under performing.

All the circular debate around Geno is entirely missing the point because its like ragging on a driver for going off track repeatedly in turns because he is driving hard, trying to win with a car that, if it was driven normally, would never win.

Grubb's offense is ineffective and often backwards by NFL standards. If he was just another college OC and hadnt done freat things at Washington, i dont think he woukd be getting the forgiveness he's been getting here. The fact that he is 'Grubb' has clouded judgement around what he's doing because of the 'genius lable' he's been tagged with (ironically the opposite scenario for Geno).

Excellent analogy.

My son does his own work on his track car, and it spends more time broken then it does running well.

When track day hits on a day that he has it running optimally, he blows the doors off of most people. Problem is, everything has to be perfect for it to run optimally. Too many times something breaks down, and he either can’t finish, or doesn’t even start.

The grey heads all tell him to spend less time making it run faster, and more time just making it run (reliable). Instead, he just keeps adding more and more performance to it.

It’s a thing of beauty when it all comes together, but there is no margin for error.

That’s Grubb’s offense.

 

[cymatica]

Luke is 100% right.

If this were auto racing and OC is the designer and engineer for the car, you'd never be able to measure the ability or true ability of the driver in wins and losses (QB, RB, WR) until the car is in an optimal state to be driven.

Grubb has handed over the keys to a car that has to be driven on the edge to win. And if you are always driving on the edge, you are bound to make mistakes.

You have to set aside standard metrics and look at the skill being wielded by the driver to keep the car even competitive... thats the only was to find the truth of the situation.

A great driver can finish 7th every race in a sub-par machine but if in a better car, be top 2 or 3.

In this case, we have our top players at key positions under performing.

All the circular debate around Geno is entirely missing the point because its like ragging on a driver for going off track repeatedly in turns because he is driving hard, trying to win with a car that, if it was driven normally, would never win.

Grubb's offense is ineffective and often backwards by NFL standards. If he was just another college OC and hadnt done freat things at Washington, i dont think he woukd be getting the forgiveness he's been getting here. The fact that he is 'Grubb' has clouded judgement around what he's doing because of the 'genius lable' he's been tagged with (ironically the opposite scenario for Geno).

Damn good analogy, well said.

 

[Dallashawksfan]

Luke:
1. Geno isn't the issue
2. Grubb has work to do
3. The season is over.

Geno is not the issue, but he is not the solution neither

 

[toffee]

Geno is not the issue, but he is not the solution neither

You may have a different opinion if we have 'just another player' QB for this season.