Disconcerting to say the least

[EverydayImRusselin]

Are people really concerned?

Really?

This is virtually the same team that went to the Super Bowl the last two years, but now they have Jimmy Graham.

Come on.

Agrred. You know more about this than I do...but is it wholly possible the Seahawks and well most of the NFL just aren't showing their hands yet?

I'd imagine a team like Seattle is using Preseason to work out some kinks but also just trying some things to see if they work

Some just aren't is my guess.

My complaints are not with the offensive scheme, play calling, situational tactics, whethr we go for it on 4th down, or anything related to planning or showing hands.

My complaints are strictly limited to execution, and largely directed at our 87-million-dollar-man who is simply failing to execute.

I am not criticising how much we throw at Jimmy Graham, I am criticising the throws that were too high.

I don't mind low-percentage deep throws, except they were underthrown and almost led to interceptions.

I don't like that 12 drives have led to 12 points and no touchdowns.

I don't like that passes are not catchable.

I don't like that Wilson's cumulative QB rating of 67.4 ranks 77th in the NFL. I know, "it's only pre-season". But last year, Wilson was #2 with a rating of 133. He dropped 75 places in a league of 32 teams. You know who's next below him? Tim Freaking Tebow.

There are at least 14 third-string QBs who had a better pre-season than our highest-paid player. There will be unemployed QBs who can boast of having out-performed Wilson this pre-season.

That's entirely about execution - what happens after the play call, on the field - and it's just not good enough.

In regards to the bold, Russell also had his worst season as a passer in 2014. If you exclude the rushing numbers he regressed. So the preseason correlation is minimal.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

3 words...Archer is HORRID.

see, and I was thinking last night that Archer's a pretty smooth looking QB and that I was glad we have him.

I would say an eye exam may be in order here.

I'd say you need to lower your expectations for an undrafted 3rd string QB.

 

[KiwiHawk]

Are people really concerned?

Really?

This is virtually the same team that went to the Super Bowl the last two years, but now they have Jimmy Graham.

Come on.

Yes I am concerned.

We just granted an 87 million dollar contract to a guy who has yet to lead the offense of a touchdown in the pre-season. This same player started VERY slow in his last two outings - NFCCG and Super Bowl, and dug huge holes for his team to climb out of.

I don't know or care what his problem is, but he needs to get his crap together.

This is not the same player who posted 100+ QB ratings. This guy is indecisive and inaccurate.

This isn't routes or scheme or pressure or other excuses; this is our starting quarterback who values preparation looking like he's mailing it in.

He's been shown the money; now he needs to show the skills and he just plain hasn't in three outings.

It's the same name on the same team - but is it the same player?

Are you for real?

Wilson has played a handful of series and you're pressing the panic button? Were you there in 2008/2009 when the Seahawks were one of the worst teams in the league?

People need to calm down and go get a cup of tea or something. Outrageous.

Concern does not equal panic. Please don't invent drama where it doesn't exist. I have concern because a player who prides himself on preparation appears to be unprepared. My opinion is equally valid to yours, and this is the appropriate place to express it. Your straw man with regard to "panic" only serves to suppress discussion and is not appropriate.

By the way I've "been there" since 1979.

 

[Hawkpower]

Are people really concerned?

Really?

This is virtually the same team that went to the Super Bowl the last two years, but now they have Jimmy Graham.

Come on.

Yes I am concerned.

We just granted an 87 million dollar contract to a guy who has yet to lead the offense of a touchdown in the pre-season. This same player started VERY slow in his last two outings - NFCCG and Super Bowl, and dug huge holes for his team to climb out of.

I don't know or care what his problem is, but he needs to get his crap together.

This is not the same player who posted 100+ QB ratings. This guy is indecisive and inaccurate.

This isn't routes or scheme or pressure or other excuses; this is our starting quarterback who values preparation looking like he's mailing it in.

He's been shown the money; now he needs to show the skills and he just plain hasn't in three outings.

It's the same name on the same team - but is it the same player?

Are you for real?

Wilson has played a handful of series and you're pressing the panic button? Were you there in 2008/2009 when the Seahawks were one of the worst teams in the league?

People need to calm down and go get a cup of tea or something. Outrageous.

Between his 2014 regression, his poor postseason play last year and a putrid preseason to date?

Yeah, enough to be concerned. For real.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm sure those Detroit fans were pretty stoked when they were 4-0 in the pre-season. Then that 0-16 regular season happened.

What Russ and the rest of the team does matters in the regular season, yes, a captain obvious statement :lol:

Can't put too much worry into glorified practice games.

 

[HuskerHawk]

I'd say it's a pretty bold statement to say both that he regressed last year and was putrid in the postseason. Did RW have a rough patch last year, sure, but he (along with 24) held that steaming pile of dung O together last year with sticks and glue. The oline was very bad, the receiving corps lacked talent (3 undrafted wideouts and Stone Hands Luke? c'mon) , and the offensive scheme, which they practiced all offseason, was thrown out the window with Percy Harvin. Did he have a slight statistical regression in passing numbers, yes, but I would not be too overly critical of a guy who almost became the first 3,000-1,000 player in NFL history and possessed a 90+ passer rating.

As for the postseason, outside of the Green Bay game he was really good. He gutted a top defense in the Panthers, and somehow made things work against a very very good New England secondary with a guy who hadn't even caught a pass in the NFL before. A few inches difference, and his SB performance is regarded as legendary.

His execution this preseason has sucked. Plain, simple, and unarguable. Still... preseason. This is another instance of the 24/7 media culture making everyone overly reactionary.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Putrid in the post season? Um, he had them one yard from a Super Bowl victory, and an amazing comeback in the NFC Championship. My god this guy can't do anything right for some people :thirishdrinkers:

I guess it's his fault Kearse dropped those passes. And I guess just any quarterback could bring the team back like he did. :|

 

[KiwiHawk]

Putrid in the post season? Um, he had them one yard from a Super Bowl victory, and an amazing comeback in the NFC Championship. My god this guy can't do anything right for some people :thirishdrinkers:

I guess it's his fault Kearse dropped those passes. And I guess just any quarterback could bring the team back like he did. :|

I think you are cherry-picking the comeback portion and forgetting the poor play that got us behind in the first place.

The Seahawks should never have been down in the Super Bowl. Wilson was innacurate, especially on 4th down, and dug us a hole.

Same with Green Bay - had our defense not held Green Bay to field goals when Wilson turned the ball over in our half of the field, we would have been blown out. Even then, had Green Bay not had a complete meltdown of both execution and brain activity, we lose that game because of Wilson's absolutely nightmarish first half.

Your argument is very much like saying if someone sliced your arm open and then stitched it back up just before you bled out, you should thank him for saving your life.

You don't credit Wilson for comebacks when he caused the necessity to come back.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not how you start, it's how you finish. Sure he played pretty crappy for most of the game. Doesn't matter, he stepped it up when it mattered. I realize it's the new trend to get on every little thing that Wilson does and/or not give him credit when it's due. I guess I'm just in his corner, and proud of it.

And if he was a HUGE part of the comeback, why wouldn't he get credit for it???
Does Kearse not get credit for that catch to win it when the guy is all over him? We can agree to disagree, and that's cool. But, winning doesn't have to look a certain way, just sayin.

Plenty of QB's out there who put up 4K plus yards and a ton of TD's, and have nothing to show for it when it counts, the playoffs.

 

[KiwiHawk]

Not how you start, it's how you finish. Sure he played pretty crappy for most of the game. Doesn't matter, he stepped it up when it mattered. I realize it's the new trend to get on every little thing that Wilson does and/or not give him credit when it's due. I guess I'm just in his corner, and proud of it.

And if he was a HUGE part of the comeback, why wouldn't he get credit for it???
Does Kearse not get credit for that catch to win it when the guy is all over him? We can agree to disagree, and that's cool. But, winning doesn't have to look a certain way, just sayin.

Plenty of QB's out there who put up 4K plus yards and a ton of TD's, and have nothing to show for it when it counts, the playoffs.

You're the second person to use the "Not how you start, it's how you finish." argument with me regarding Wilson, who "finished" last season by throwing a bad pass to lose the Super Bowl.

You say he deserves credit where credit is due, but does he not also deserve blame when it's due?

In the Green Bay game, he was not a HUGE part of the comeback. 47 things had to go our way, of which he was responsible for like 5. It took a run by Lynch, a couple of passes by Wilson, a good defensive stand, and a MASSIVE CHOKE by Green Bay. And let's not discount the defensive effort to hold Green Bay to field goals when they started on our 19, 23, and 32 courtesy of Wilson interceptions, that even made a comeback possible.

I'm not being trendy - I am expressing what I believe to be a real concern. I'm not down on Wilson - in fact I think he's an incredible quarterback who at times performs feats of pure magic. He's one of the most dedicated, prepared and determined players on the team.

But what used to be a 20-yard backpedal followed by a little shake-and-bake and a long pass to Baldwin for a big gain is now a 20-yard backpedal followed by an intentional grounding penalty.

Which is exactly why I am troubled. I haven't seen this from Wilson before. This is new. What else is new? His fame, fortune, celebrity, and divorce. Are those factors causing him trouble and/or distracting him from adequate preparation? Is that not a valid question in light of a string of bad outings that coincide with the events?

I this an anomaly from Wilson or is this a trend? That's my concern. It's not a panic, not a knee-jerk, and it's not a smear campaign. It's a concern. The Seahawks have a lot of money tied up in him that will force some difficult decisions and potentially impact the effectiveness of our defense, and I want to know that Wilson can make up the slack. So far this pre-season, Wilson hasn't.

 

[TwistedHusky]

There is a lot of fingerpointing here but I share some (not all of the concerns).

We are lucky to have Wilson, because of what he can bring to the table. But only IF he brings it to the table.

Ask any fan last year about what made Wilson so special and such a winning QB in spite of the obstacles against him.

The answers you would likely receive would be:

1 - Relentless work ethic and preparation process.

2 - Unswerving belief in himself and his teammates

Wilson devoted a ridiculous amount of time & energy to this, combined with his perfectionist nature. He left little to chance and put in hours of time to assure that his anything he encountered on the field was accounted for in practice.

It leads one to question what happens when all the forces tugging at his time remove or curtail his ability to bring the elements in #1 to the table?

Then again, how much of this is his fault considering we are going with offensive linemen from Central Casting instead of relying on putting skilled & experienced teams that work well together on the field. The importance of cohesion in the OL is a common football topic, but our management made a strategic decision to overlook that. How much of that is impacting Wilson's ability to deliver?

The only thing we can do is wait for the season to start to see if this experiment will work. Then we can evaluate whether the fault is Wilson's or an environment that inhibits his success. Either way, Wilson might have to adjust to it, but either way some of the endorsements/events/distractions might have to be locked out for a bit.

 

[Largent80]

3 words...Archer is HORRID.

see, and I was thinking last night that Archer's a pretty smooth looking QB and that I was glad we have him.

I would say an eye exam may be in order here.

I'd say you need to lower your expectations for an undrafted 3rd string QB.

But he's so smooth, why can't I have expectations?...By the way, I had Lasik and it worked, he's horrid.

 

[hawkfan68]

I don't believe that Daniels makes the final cuts. He's in a midst of a position switch and the guys who he is battling with have more experience at the position he's currently slotted for. It's also telling that PC and coaches believe that RJ Archer (as pathetic as he is) is still at QB and Daniels is not. I have a feeling that BJ will be in Atlanta, Oakland, or Jax soon.

 

[erik2690]

But what used to be a 20-yard backpedal followed by a little shake-and-bake and a long pass to Baldwin for a big gain is now a 20-yard backpedal followed by an intentional grounding penalty.

Which is exactly why I am troubled. I haven't seen this from Wilson before. This is new. What else is new? His fame, fortune, celebrity, and divorce. Are those factors causing him trouble and/or distracting him from adequate preparation? Is that not a valid question in light of a string of bad outings that coincide with the events?

No, I don't think it is honestly. Are you referencing the play in preseason where a defender was right in his face on a naked boot? I mean that was kinda a perfect storm of a play not really some horrible play by RW. You've never seen that before? C'mon now. On his 15 yard run he had to escape several defenders and did it just fine. Why does the bad scramble hold more weight or meaning than a good scramble? Almost none of the things you listed are new at all. He literally had to address his "blackness" in the middle of a season last year. I mean "distractions" are not new in the least. There have been no reports of diminished work ethic so this is kinda just you throwing ideas around with the tenuous correlation/causation argument that has little merit without a lot more correlation. "string of bad outings" meaning 5 Q's in preseason because if you are going back to last season then that list doesn't make as much sense.

I just find it really odd to weigh a small sample size against a huge sample size and treat them as equivalent. Seems like bad logic.

 

[Hawkpower]

Not how you start, it's how you finish. Sure he played pretty crappy for most of the game. Doesn't matter, he stepped it up when it mattered. I realize it's the new trend to get on every little thing that Wilson does and/or not give him credit when it's due. I guess I'm just in his corner, and proud of it.

And if he was a HUGE part of the comeback, why wouldn't he get credit for it???
Does Kearse not get credit for that catch to win it when the guy is all over him? We can agree to disagree, and that's cool. But, winning doesn't have to look a certain way, just sayin.

Plenty of QB's out there who put up 4K plus yards and a ton of TD's, and have nothing to show for it when it counts, the playoffs.

No, its how you start and how you finish.

Had our defense not bailed us out, or had Green Bay not crapped the bed, our offseason looks suddenly a lot different.

What are people saying if the miracles of miracles hadnt happened?

Fact is, our offense, in large part due to Russ, was terrible in that game and should have cost us a trip to AZ.

Luckily for him, he has the worlds best defense helping him out. That game should have been over at halftime.

 

[Hawkpower]

I'd say it's a pretty bold statement to say both that he regressed last year and was putrid in the postseason. Did RW have a rough patch last year, sure, but he (along with 24) held that steaming pile of dung O together last year with sticks and glue. The oline was very bad, the receiving corps lacked talent (3 undrafted wideouts and Stone Hands Luke? c'mon) , and the offensive scheme, which they practiced all offseason, was thrown out the window with Percy Harvin. Did he have a slight statistical regression in passing numbers, yes, but I would not be too overly critical of a guy who almost became the first 3,000-1,000 player in NFL history and possessed a 90+ passer rating.

As for the postseason, outside of the Green Bay game he was really good. He gutted a top defense in the Panthers, and somehow made things work against a very very good New England secondary with a guy who hadn't even caught a pass in the NFL before. A few inches difference, and his SB performance is regarded as legendary.

His execution this preseason has sucked. Plain, simple, and unarguable. Still... preseason. This is another instance of the 24/7 media culture making everyone overly reactionary.

New Englands pass defense was ranked 17th in the NFL last year.

Russ was 12 for 21 in that game.

Legendary? We must have different definitions.

 

[Anthony!]

Putrid in the post season? Um, he had them one yard from a Super Bowl victory, and an amazing comeback in the NFC Championship. My god this guy can't do anything right for some people :thirishdrinkers:

I guess it's his fault Kearse dropped those passes. And I guess just any quarterback could bring the team back like he did. :|

I think you are cherry-picking the comeback portion and forgetting the poor play that got us behind in the first place.

The Seahawks should never have been down in the Super Bowl. Wilson was innacurate, especially on 4th down, and dug us a hole.

Same with Green Bay - had our defense not held Green Bay to field goals when Wilson turned the ball over in our half of the field, we would have been blown out. Even then, had Green Bay not had a complete meltdown of both execution and brain activity, we lose that game because of Wilson's absolutely nightmarish first half.

Your argument is very much like saying if someone sliced your arm open and then stitched it back up just before you bled out, you should thank him for saving your life.

You don't credit Wilson for comebacks when he caused the necessity to come back.

ukeface:

 

[Anthony!]

Not how you start, it's how you finish. Sure he played pretty crappy for most of the game. Doesn't matter, he stepped it up when it mattered. I realize it's the new trend to get on every little thing that Wilson does and/or not give him credit when it's due. I guess I'm just in his corner, and proud of it.

And if he was a HUGE part of the comeback, why wouldn't he get credit for it???
Does Kearse not get credit for that catch to win it when the guy is all over him? We can agree to disagree, and that's cool. But, winning doesn't have to look a certain way, just sayin.

Plenty of QB's out there who put up 4K plus yards and a ton of TD's, and have nothing to show for it when it counts, the playoffs.

You're the second person to use the "Not how you start, it's how you finish." argument with me regarding Wilson, who "finished" last season by throwing a bad pass to lose the Super Bowl.

You say he deserves credit where credit is due, but does he not also deserve blame when it's due?

In the Green Bay game, he was not a HUGE part of the comeback. 47 things had to go our way, of which he was responsible for like 5. It took a run by Lynch, a couple of passes by Wilson, a good defensive stand, and a MASSIVE CHOKE by Green Bay. And let's not discount the defensive effort to hold Green Bay to field goals when they started on our 19, 23, and 32 courtesy of Wilson interceptions, that even made a comeback possible.

I'm not being trendy - I am expressing what I believe to be a real concern. I'm not down on Wilson - in fact I think he's an incredible quarterback who at times performs feats of pure magic. He's one of the most dedicated, prepared and determined players on the team.

But what used to be a 20-yard backpedal followed by a little shake-and-bake and a long pass to Baldwin for a big gain is now a 20-yard backpedal followed by an intentional grounding penalty.

Which is exactly why I am troubled. I haven't seen this from Wilson before. This is new. What else is new? His fame, fortune, celebrity, and divorce. Are those factors causing him trouble and/or distracting him from adequate preparation? Is that not a valid question in light of a string of bad outings that coincide with the events?

I this an anomaly from Wilson or is this a trend? That's my concern. It's not a panic, not a knee-jerk, and it's not a smear campaign. It's a concern. The Seahawks have a lot of money tied up in him that will force some difficult decisions and potentially impact the effectiveness of our defense, and I want to know that Wilson can make up the slack. So far this pre-season, Wilson hasn't.

Okay then by your logic Wilson was not responsible for the SB loss, it was mainly the defense who could not hold a 10 point lead with 9 minutes to go. You see you love to take things and mold them to fit what you want. AS to your anomaly or trend lets see 3 years QB rating over 95 Hmm seems like that is your answer until you have enough data to say other wise. FOr a concern it sure is coming across like a smear campaign.

 

[Anthony!]

Not how you start, it's how you finish. Sure he played pretty crappy for most of the game. Doesn't matter, he stepped it up when it mattered. I realize it's the new trend to get on every little thing that Wilson does and/or not give him credit when it's due. I guess I'm just in his corner, and proud of it.

And if he was a HUGE part of the comeback, why wouldn't he get credit for it???
Does Kearse not get credit for that catch to win it when the guy is all over him? We can agree to disagree, and that's cool. But, winning doesn't have to look a certain way, just sayin.

Plenty of QB's out there who put up 4K plus yards and a ton of TD's, and have nothing to show for it when it counts, the playoffs.

No, its how you start and how you finish.

Had our defense not bailed us out, or had Green Bay not crapped the bed, our offseason looks suddenly a lot different.

What are people saying if the miracles of miracles hadnt happened?

Fact is, our offense, in large part due to Russ, was terrible in that game and should have cost us a trip to AZ.

Luckily for him, he has the worlds best defense helping him out. That game should have been over at halftime.

ukeface:

 

[Anthony!]

I'd say it's a pretty bold statement to say both that he regressed last year and was putrid in the postseason. Did RW have a rough patch last year, sure, but he (along with 24) held that steaming pile of dung O together last year with sticks and glue. The oline was very bad, the receiving corps lacked talent (3 undrafted wideouts and Stone Hands Luke? c'mon) , and the offensive scheme, which they practiced all offseason, was thrown out the window with Percy Harvin. Did he have a slight statistical regression in passing numbers, yes, but I would not be too overly critical of a guy who almost became the first 3,000-1,000 player in NFL history and possessed a 90+ passer rating.

As for the postseason, outside of the Green Bay game he was really good. He gutted a top defense in the Panthers, and somehow made things work against a very very good New England secondary with a guy who hadn't even caught a pass in the NFL before. A few inches difference, and his SB performance is regarded as legendary.

His execution this preseason has sucked. Plain, simple, and unarguable. Still... preseason. This is another instance of the 24/7 media culture making everyone overly reactionary.

New Englands pass defense was ranked 17th in the NFL last year.

Russ was 12 for 21 in that game.

Legendary? We must have different definitions.

17th by yards however they were 8th by complt %, 10th by QB rating only giving up 84 FYI Wilson had a 110.6 Amazing what happens when you look at the whole picture