Cox waived for Thurmond, you-know-who not on IR

[SDHawk]

However, Thurmond was a backup, he only started because Browner got hurt. I like the call. He will get his son as. He hasn't been practicing with the team, so there could be some rust

You realize that Richard Sherman was a backup to Thurmond who was a starter at the time, he only started because Thurmond got hurt. As ironic as it sounds, Thurmond's injuries and suspensions have been a blessing for this secondary.

I'm truly excited to see Sherm, Maxi and WTIII playing together next week. This may be the best combination of DBs we've seen on the field yet.

I thought Sherm was a back up to trufant...

Both Tru and Thurm were placed on IR that season.

 

[chris98251]

So we have a 52 man roster this year with the option of cutting someone to alleviate cap hits in future years and absorb minimal dead money.

Kind of like having an extra kicker on the roster

 

[Will I]

I'm ready to see WT3 back on the field. Hope he stayed in the gym during his time off. At least he'll get an extra week off after we win to recover from the soreness from playing at game speed for the first time in a month.

http://youtu.be/oqICMz1WZOE

 

[Swedishhawkfan]

Hypothetically, if we win the Super Bowl cox won't get a ring right?

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

So we have a 52 man roster this year with the option of cutting someone to alleviate cap hits in future years and absorb minimal dead money.

Kind of like having an extra kicker on the roster

Nice! Timmmaaaaaay!!

 

[AF_Hawk]

However, Thurmond was a backup, he only started because Browner got hurt. I like the call. He will get his son as. He hasn't been practicing with the team, so there could be some rust

You realize that Richard Sherman was a backup to Thurmond who was a starter at the time, he only started because Thurmond got hurt. As ironic as it sounds, Thurmond's injuries and suspensions have been a blessing for this secondary.

I'm truly excited to see Sherm, Maxi and WTIII playing together next week. This may be the best combination of DBs we've seen on the field yet.

Was going to say the same thing. Thankfully we should be able to keep WTIII on the cheap come contract time. When healthy he's great, when injured folks step up!

 

[RiverDog]

So you're saying there's a chance... *daydreams of Harvin and KJ coming back for NFCC Game*

HUGE news in my opinion.

God only knows what the hell is going on with Percy. But the fact that they haven't moved him to IR is a big positive. The only positive we have had to cling to for the last month.

Big positive? eh. I think not. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Pete's failure to put Harvin on IR is nothing more than wishful thinking that he might be ready to play in 2 or 3 weeks. The uncertainty with Harvin's status still remains, and will remain until he's on the field and consistently performing at the level we've been told to expect from him.

I'm sick and tired of this Chinese water torture, will he or won't he play. It's like the Bret Favre retire-unretire-retire drama.

 

[warden]

So you're saying there's a chance... *daydreams of Harvin and KJ coming back for NFCC Game*

HUGE news in my opinion.

God only knows what the hell is going on with Percy. But the fact that they haven't moved him to IR is a big positive. The only positive we have had to cling to for the last month.

Big positive? eh. I think not. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Pete's failure to put Harvin on IR is nothing more than wishful thinking that he might be ready to play in 2 or 3 weeks. The uncertainty with Harvin's status still remains, and will remain until he's on the field and consistently performing at the level we've been told to expect from him.

I'm sick and tired of this Chinese water torture, will he or won't he play. It's like the Bret Favre retire-unretire-retire drama.

I think we need to fire both Pete Carroll and John Schneider for running this team on wishful thinking. Do you really think those two operate this club on that premises? WOW just WOW. Guess what they have access to way more information to the matter at hand then you could even dream about. These two are making decisions on doctors reports, trainers reports first hand knowledge. Does that mean it will work out? no but it is better then what you are doing, making an opinion without access to all the facts. The concept that you suggest that they are making this decision on wishful thing is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[RiverDog]

So you're saying there's a chance... *daydreams of Harvin and KJ coming back for NFCC Game*

HUGE news in my opinion.

God only knows what the hell is going on with Percy. But the fact that they haven't moved him to IR is a big positive. The only positive we have had to cling to for the last month.

Big positive? eh. I think not. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Pete's failure to put Harvin on IR is nothing more than wishful thinking that he might be ready to play in 2 or 3 weeks. The uncertainty with Harvin's status still remains, and will remain until he's on the field and consistently performing at the level we've been told to expect from him.

I'm sick and tired of this Chinese water torture, will he or won't he play. It's like the Bret Favre retire-unretire-retire drama.

I think we need to fire both Pete Carroll and John Schneider for running this team on wishful thinking. Do you really think those two operate this club on that premises? WOW just WOW. Guess what they have access to way more information to the matter at hand then you could even dream about. These two are making decisions on doctors reports, trainers reports first hand knowledge. Does that mean it will work out? no but it is better then what you are doing, making an opinion without access to all the facts. The concept that you suggest that they are making this decision on wishful thing is absolutely ridiculous.

Holding open a single spot open on a 53 man roster is not a big risk if the potential payoff is the possibility of a MVP quality player like Harvin might be available for the playoffs. So yes, this non-news that Percy is not relegated to the IR could be nothing more than wishful thinking on our coaching staff's part that he might be ready. It's a reasonable gamble.

 

[BobcatHawk]

Holding open a single spot open on a 53 man roster is not a big risk if the potential payoff is the possibility of a MVP quality player like Harvin might be available for the playoffs. So yes, this non-news that Percy is not relegated to the IR could be nothing more than wishful thinking on our coaching staff's part that he might be ready. It's a reasonable gamble.

Or it could be that we're keeping him active for future cap reasons.

 

[RiverDog]

Holding open a single spot open on a 53 man roster is not a big risk if the potential payoff is the possibility of a MVP quality player like Harvin might be available for the playoffs. So yes, this non-news that Percy is not relegated to the IR could be nothing more than wishful thinking on our coaching staff's part that he might be ready. It's a reasonable gamble.

Or it could be that we're keeping him active for future cap reasons.

That's a possibility, too. In any event, keeping him on the 53 man roster is not necessarily a prelude to his getting back on the playing field. Playing with 52 players vs. 53 is not that big of a handicap. The only other option is putting him on IR, and that closes out any possibility of him playing the rest of the season. There's potentially a month left to go in the season, so keeping his options open is the smart thing to do.

I wouldn't start getting excited until Percy actually gets on the practice field, and I have seen or heard nothing that would indicate that his return to practice is eminent. Quite the contrary, the way Pete is phrasing things makes it sound like he's not sure if he'll get back this season or not.

 

[Blitzer88]

Really hope this means that Harvin can come back for the playoffs, yet I don't think he will.

 

[HawkWow]

So you're saying there's a chance... *daydreams of Harvin and KJ coming back for NFCC Game*

HUGE news in my opinion.

God only knows what the hell is going on with Percy. But the fact that they haven't moved him to IR is a big positive. The only positive we have had to cling to for the last month.

Big positive? eh. I think not. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Pete's failure to put Harvin on IR is nothing more than wishful thinking that he might be ready to play in 2 or 3 weeks. The uncertainty with Harvin's status still remains, and will remain until he's on the field and consistently performing at the level we've been told to expect from him.

I'm sick and tired of this Chinese water torture, will he or won't he play. It's like the Bret Favre retire-unretire-retire drama.

I think we need to fire both Pete Carroll and John Schneider for running this team on wishful thinking. Do you really think those two operate this club on that premises? WOW just WOW. Guess what they have access to way more information to the matter at hand then you could even dream about. These two are making decisions on doctors reports, trainers reports first hand knowledge. Does that mean it will work out? no but it is better then what you are doing, making an opinion without access to all the facts. The concept that you suggest that they are making this decision on wishful thing is absolutely ridiculous.

I presume you're unaware of RD's real identity. You should ask him by PM. I think you might be surprised at what he knows and why he knows it.
RD knows.

 

[brimsalabim]

I'm new to following pro ball. How does Harvin effect the 52 man roster? What is the impact to team structure of him holding a roster spot vs IR if he is never going to play? If Harvin never plays does it matter how much he is paid or is just the cap number important and what is his impact to the cap next season if he does not play?

 

[BobcatHawk]

I'm new to following pro ball. How does Harvin effect the 52 man roster? What is the impact to team structure of him holding a roster spot vs IR if he is never going to play? If Harvin never plays does it matter how much he is paid or is just the cap number important and what is his impact to the cap next season if he does not play?

It's actually a 53 man roster, but, with Harvin not playing, it's like playing with a 52 man roster. He's going to get paid as long as he isn't cut. There's some kind of injury clause in his contract guaranteeing his 2014 salary, if he's injured in 2013. So, either the front office is keeping him active because they're hoping he can play in the playoffs or they're going to cut him after the Super Bowl to avoid paying a guaranteed salary in 2014 or something in between. At least, that's how I read it atm.

 

[brimsalabim]

It looks as if Harvin is never going to play. I know Paul Allen can afford it so I'm not worried about harvins base pay but how much will cutting him cost the team in cap? Is there a Lemmon law in the NFL ie can we get a pick returned? What is the net effect?

 

[RiverDog]

I'm new to following pro ball. How does Harvin effect the 52 man roster? What is the impact to team structure of him holding a roster spot vs IR if he is never going to play? If Harvin never plays does it matter how much he is paid or is just the cap number important and what is his impact to the cap next season if he does not play?

Bobcat did a good job of explaining it. I will add that there are rules in the collective bargaining agreement that discourages teams from cutting players on the IR. My understanding is that there is a drop dead date of Feb. 7th after which if Harvin is still on the roster, he gets a bunch more of his guaranteed money and of which a significant amount counts against our salary cap.

With as many big name players we have that will be due big raises, ie Earl, Sherman, Russell, the team is going to have to be very careful with their cap decisions. The future of our franchise could be determined by what we do with PH. That's one of the reasons I was against this trade, the other being the draft choices. If this thing blows up in our face, we're going to be out a lot more than just a few coins of Paul Allen's pocket change.