Comparing Bevell Week One with Bevell Week 2

[Sgt. Largent]

Nothing changed from week one to week two, except the defense was good in week one, and stunk in week two.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I can't find any fault in drives two and five, but there were definitely opportunities to get Lynch the ball more in these other drives. Knowing how hot it was, that should have been part of the game plan to control the clock.

Unless.. you know.. he had back spasms all game and the defense couldn't get the Chargers offense off the field.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

This constant blame Bevell for everything shtick is getting tiresome and lazy.

So's the "Bevell can do no wrong" schtick.

That schtick doesn't exist. You think defending Bevell from people who constantly shit on him is the same as saying he's perfect and can make no mistakes. It's not.

 

[Largent80]

Lynch is not listed on the injury wire and C. Mike is cleared to play. I'm expecting student body left, and right.

 

[MysterMatt]

I think Bevell deserves the criticism that, sometimes, he gets too cute with the play calling. That said, while the SD game was maddening, it wasn't all his fault. For example, Miller had one of his worst games ever and killed what, two drives? It was just a group effort.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, we wondered if he was getting a little to cute w/his new toys etc. Just seems like they went away from their identity. You don't have to get it all in 4 or 5 plays. Great to score TD's, nothing wrong with that. But, when it's 120 degrees on the field, the D needs a breather, and pounding the rock all day, until the prove they can stop it, is the identity of the Hawks.

 

[McGruff]

He should have done a better job of controlling the clock in that heat by giving the ball to Lynch more.

Agreed! Harvin even tried to help Bevell by intentionally stepping out of bounds so we could control the clock more but the ref missed it and awarded us a stupid TD!! Damn you Bevell!

I was thinking more about these drives:

Drive One
Lynch receives only one carry . . . five pass calls and Turbin gets a carry for -3 yards on 2nd and 5.

Drive Three
Bevell elects to throw the ball on first and second down.

Drive Four
An end around by Lockette and two pass plays results in a third and out.

Drive Six
After a first down by Lynch, Bevell calls three straight pass plays leading to another punt.

Drive Seven
Harvin end around and two pass plays results in a 4th and 11. See Drive Four.

I can't find any fault in drives two and five, but there were definitely opportunities to get Lynch the ball more in these other drives. Knowing how hot it was, that should have been part of the game plan to control the clock.

So, in your initial and subsequent posts you criticize Bevell for conservative playcalling, but then want him to hand the ball off to Lynch every down?

You don't want him to be conservative, but then suggest that he be more conservative, and criticize his more adventurous calls?

I think one of us is confused . . .

 

[hawknation2014]

He should have done a better job of controlling the clock in that heat by giving the ball to Lynch more.

Agreed! Harvin even tried to help Bevell by intentionally stepping out of bounds so we could control the clock more but the ref missed it and awarded us a stupid TD!! Damn you Bevell!

I was thinking more about these drives:

Drive One
Lynch receives only one carry . . . five pass calls and Turbin gets a carry for -3 yards on 2nd and 5.

Drive Three
Bevell elects to throw the ball on first and second down.

Drive Four
An end around by Lockette and two pass plays results in a third and out.

Drive Six
After a first down by Lynch, Bevell calls three straight pass plays leading to another punt.

Drive Seven
Harvin end around and two pass plays results in a 4th and 11. See Drive Four.

I can't find any fault in drives two and five, but there were definitely opportunities to get Lynch the ball more in these other drives. Knowing how hot it was, that should have been part of the game plan to control the clock.

So, in your initial and subsequent posts you criticize Bevell for conservative playcalling, but then want him to hand the ball off to Lynch every down?

You don't want him to be conservative, but then suggest that he be more conservative, and criticize his more adventurous calls?

I think one of us is confused . . .

I thin you must have me confused with someone else. I have never in my life criticized Bevell for conservative play calling or giving the ball to Lynch too much.

 

[hawknation2014]

I can't find any fault in drives two and five, but there were definitely opportunities to get Lynch the ball more in these other drives. Knowing how hot it was, that should have been part of the game plan to control the clock.

Unless.. you know.. he had back spasms all game and the defense couldn't get the Chargers offense off the field.

That's also not a perfect explanation.

Just look at the Third Drive. Bevell calls two pass plays and then hands the ball to Lynch on 3rd and 19. If Lynch was hurt at this point, explaining why he chose not to run the ball on first or second down, then why have Lynch run it in on 3rd and 19? I don't necessarily disagree with going conservative in that situation (3rd and 19), but that doesn't explain why they weren't giving the ball to Lynch in the first place. IMO, Bevell should have used Lynch to set the tone in that game, control the clock, and soften up a weak Charger run defense.

I have never been a big critic of Bevell in the past and have definitely never attacked him for running Carroll's generally conservative, ball-control offense. My only criticism is he did not give the ball enough to Lynch when he had opportunities to do so in Drives One, Three, Four, Six, and Seven.

 

[McGruff]

I thin you must have me confused with someone else. I have never in my life criticized Bevell for conservative play calling or giving the ball to Lynch too much.

You are right. I had you confused with the OP. Regardless, it seems to me Bevell is damned if you do, damned if you don't. If exotic playcalling works, he's praised. If conservative playcalling works, he's praised. But if either go wrong, the critics come out in force.

Sometimes it comes down to execution. Bottom line to me is that Unger's whiff, Okung poor blocking overall, Miller and Sweezy's penalties, Harvin fumble . . . all had way more an impact than any failure on Bevell's part.

 

[Largent80]

To me, Okung is barely getting a C+ grade. He either pass blocks well, run blocks poor, or reverses the roles. He doesn't do either one of those together consistently.

Carpenter and Sweezy are doing fairly well, and Britt is solid considering he is a rookie. Unger completely let a guy come straight through the line for a sack. O-Line had better be better.

I'm pretty sure Bevell knows about this as well.

 

[DavidSeven]

Blaming the OC for every loss is easy and lazy because it's easy to look at a offensive play-call and say it was mistake in hindsight. This is like the easiest thing to call out in any game. If Lockette houses his re-direction jet sweep, the OC is a genius. If he gets stuffed because of a great defense play, the OC gets bashed. It's also easy to look at touches without considering any of the situational context and throw the OC under the bus. In San Diego, the offense wasn't the issue. Currently, we are #2 in the NFL in points per possession.

People crying about T.O.P. are basically blaming Bevell for (1) Percy housing a pitch-back run 50 yards for TD; (2) Percy subsequently fumbling on a kick-off return; and (3) our defense's utter inability to get off the field on 3rd down. That is not on the playcalling. If the defense gave the offense more than 17 minutes, they would've scored more and Lynch would've ran more.

Those on the "we scored too quick" train do realize that Percy's score was on a called run on a 3rd and short, right? Should there be a standing instruction for him to take a knee at the 10 there, so we can squeeze in more plays?

I see a lot of Bevell threads, but no Dan Quinn threads. Not to say Quinn messed up, but I think that illustrates the mentality on this board. Most agree that the defense takes the lion's share of the blame for this L. And yet, Bevell is still the center of conversation. Why? Because it's easy.

 

[hawknation2014]

Blaming the OC for every loss is easy and lazy because it's easy to look at a offensive play-call and say it was mistake in hindsight. This is like the easiest thing to call out in any game. If Lockette houses his re-direction jet sweep, the OC is a genius. If he gets stuffed because of a great defense play, the OC gets bashed. It's also easy to look at touches without considering any of the situational context and throw the OC under the bus. In San Diego, the offense wasn't the issue. Currently, we are #2 in the NFL in points per possession.

People crying about T.O.P. are basically blaming Bevell for (1) Percy housing a pitch-back run 50 yards for TD; (2) Percy subsequently fumbling on a kick-off return; and (3) our defense's utter inability to get off the field on 3rd down. That is not on the playcalling. If the defense gave the offense more than 17 minutes, they would've scored more and Lynch would've ran more.

Those on the "we scored too quick" train do realize that Percy's score was on a called run on a 3rd and short, right? Should there be a standing instruction for him to take a knee at the 10 there, so we can squeeze in more plays?

I see a lot of Bevell threads, but no Dan Quinn threads. Not to say Quinn messed up, but I think that illustrates the mentality on this board. Most agree that the defense takes the lion's share of the blame for this L. And yet, Bevell is still the center of conversation. Why? Because it's easy.

Sometimes it's easier to give constructive criticism after a win than it is after the pain of a loss. I complimented much about Bevell's game plan after Game One, but I also thought he wasted a few opportunities to give the ball more to Lynch, especially in the red zone.

This was even more clear against the Chargers, whose greatest defensive strength is rushing the passer and whose greatest weakness is stopping the run. That happened to complement our offensive line's strengths and weaknesses extremely well. In 100 degree heat, it was especially important to get Lynch involved on first and second down, and that just didn't happen, even when it could have during a few opportunities.

 

[DavidSeven]

Blaming the OC for every loss is easy and lazy because it's easy to look at a offensive play-call and say it was mistake in hindsight. This is like the easiest thing to call out in any game. If Lockette houses his re-direction jet sweep, the OC is a genius. If he gets stuffed because of a great defense play, the OC gets bashed. It's also easy to look at touches without considering any of the situational context and throw the OC under the bus. In San Diego, the offense wasn't the issue. Currently, we are #2 in the NFL in points per possession.

People crying about T.O.P. are basically blaming Bevell for (1) Percy housing a pitch-back run 50 yards for TD; (2) Percy subsequently fumbling on a kick-off return; and (3) our defense's utter inability to get off the field on 3rd down. That is not on the playcalling. If the defense gave the offense more than 17 minutes, they would've scored more and Lynch would've ran more.

Those on the "we scored too quick" train do realize that Percy's score was on a called run on a 3rd and short, right? Should there be a standing instruction for him to take a knee at the 10 there, so we can squeeze in more plays?

I see a lot of Bevell threads, but no Dan Quinn threads. Not to say Quinn messed up, but I think that illustrates the mentality on this board. Most agree that the defense takes the lion's share of the blame for this L. And yet, Bevell is still the center of conversation. Why? Because it's easy.

Sometimes it's easier to give constructive criticism after a win than it is after the pain of a loss. I complimented much about Bevell's game plan after Game One, but I also thought he wasted a few opportunities to give the ball more to Lynch, especially in the red zone.

This was even more clear against the Chargers, whose greatest defensive strength is rushing the passer and whose greatest weakness is stopping the run. That happened to complement our offensive line's strengths and weaknesses extremely well. In 100 degree heat, it was especially important to get Lynch involved on first and second down, and that just didn't happen, even when it could have during a few opportunities.

IMO, it didn't happen because penalties/blown up plays generally put us in terrible yardage situations. There were also series where we needed to run the 2-minute offense, so Lynch obviously isn't going to get touches there. I don't want to go series-by-series. I'm sure we could have found some extra touches somewhere. That being said, it seemed pretty obvious from just watching the game that the opportunities were very limited due to the situations that we were in So, I'm not sure why we're obsessing over whether he got 6 touches or 9 touches. The number was going to be really small either way.

This team won't shy away from running given the chance, and the fact is, if we got the same result with more running plays, we'd be seeing the same folks crying foul about needing to "open up the offense" and being "too predictable with run/run/pass."

 

[Nipsy]

The entire team's play last week, considering they all had hyperthermia, was still pretty good. Centurylink was built for sound, Qualcomm stadium for heat. That is the Chargers advantage in the beginning of the season. Home team gets the shade and whites where visitor gets direct sunlight and darks. Home team practices in the heat to get as acclimated as possible, the visitor is swimming in 20+ extra degrees on their no shade side of the field. Is that fair? A home team trying to kill the visiting team?

Just the dark jerseys Seattle wore were 10+ more degrees. Don't forget to take in the heat index.

Your skin is 72 degrees F, your core is approximately 98.6 degrees F. If the heat index is 120+F, a human's core temp is going to be well over 101F and put the body into thermal shock. The body is in survival mode to stay alive, musculature does not work as well, brains do not work as well, senses are highly handicapped.

Yes, it was the heat. Seahawks did not prepare for the heat. I read an earlier post saying maybe next time the Hawks should practice a few days indoors with the heaters cranked up. Good idea.

Any team from the north of the country playing in that heat will be handicapped.

Blaming Bevell is pointless, for now...

Go Hawks!

 

[kearly]

Pete was on Brock and Salk on Monday, where he mentioned that they never got their offensive game plan going the way they had planned it because the game situation never allowed them to.

 

[chris98251]

Geez sounds like every if play doesn't work Bevell is a failure, remember that other team on the field? They get paid to win games also.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Given how little we had the ball, the results were....well, see for yourself below.

Week 1 Week 2
Total Plays: 66 40
Yards Per Play: 6.0 7.8
Runs: 37 13
Passes: 28 25
Time of poss: 33:20 17:45
Points: 36 21
Drives: 10 10

I love how you explain away our woes with "given how little we had the ball", then post proof that we had the ball the same number of times on offense both weeks. You do see the logical flaw in that analysis now that I've pointed it out at least, I hope? Just as many opportunities...Far fewer of them seized for points.

Bueller?

Bueller?

 

[tom sawyer]

Lot's of good observations.

I don't blame Bevell for the loss. Did some bad decisions on play calls "contribute"? I think so. Did the play calling effectively contribute in some degree to the amount of time our defense was on the field? I think so.

Could we have won if we had run the ball more and ate up more OFFENSIVE time off the game clock... maybe.

I just hope he calls more like game one in the next 17 games we play.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I love how you explain away our woes with "given how little we had the ball", then post proof that we had the ball the same number of times on offense both weeks. You do see the logical flaw in that analysis now that I've pointed it out at least, I hope? Just as many opportunities...Far fewer of them seized for points.

Bueller?

Bueller?

You do understand that Bevell is the offensive coordinator right? He's not actually ON the field executing the plays?

This is Russell's 3rd year in this offense, he is given full reign of control over keeping the play or changing the play based on what the defense is doing..............AND even if he keeps the play it's usually a play where he has 2-3 options at the line, or in the case or read plays, 2-3 options once the ball is snapped.

This defense gave up an AVERAGE of 14 ppg last year, not 30. So if people are looking for a scapegoat for last weekend? Please stop bashing the offensive coordinator.