Chuck Powell interesting idea - trade Russell

[Largent80]

The power of Tical is quite amazing.

 

[StoneCold]

I hope this goes all off season as it's the only thread I plan to read until the season starts.

I need all the comic relief I can get in these dark times.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Since .net is not actually going to influence the Seahawks decisions regarding Wilson (or any other player or coach) then why is this "debate" make people so awkward?

We'd need 10,000 more posts and an army of mental health therapists to get to the bottom of why .net members are awkward.

 

[Uncle Si]

Since .net is not actually going to influence the Seahawks decisions regarding Wilson (or any other player or coach) then why is this "debate" make people so awkward?

We'd need 10,000 more posts and an army of mental health therapists to get to the bottom of why .net members are awkward.

I mean I could understand being even remotely energetic about say, the team's draft needs, as that is atleast something real and tangible coming up.

But this? The Seahawks are not trading Wilson. Atleast not soon. So, for me, i find it a relatively interesting topic about Wilson the QB, the value of the QB position as a whole, and the value of the position in comparison to others.

 

[oldhawkfan]

If they were to trade Russell Wilson, the Seahawks would become the laughing stock of the NFL.

 

[Uncle Si]

If they were to trade Russell Wilson, the Seahawks would become the laughing stock of the NFL.

Houston's 1st, 3rd and 4th this year and 1st and 2nd next year, plus Brock Osweiler... for Wilson

(this is a mere fragment of the Herschel Walker trade)

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Since .net is not actually going to influence the Seahawks decisions regarding Wilson (or any other player or coach) then why is this "debate" make people so awkward?

We'd need 10,000 more posts and an army of mental health therapists to get to the bottom of why .net members are awkward.

I mean I could understand being even remotely energetic about say, the team's draft needs, as that is atleast something real and tangible coming up.

But this? The Seahawks are not trading Wilson. Atleast not soon. So, for me, i find it a relatively interesting topic about Wilson the QB, the value of the QB position as a whole, and the value of the position in comparison to others.

I like hypothetical questions, but this one is ridiculous, so I'm having a hard time enjoying it.

There is literally no scenario where it makes sense to trade a franchise QB in his prime, no matter the draft pick haul. Because you could spend, and we HAVE spent decades of draft picks trying to find Russell Wilson.

So yeah, I guess the question is "would you like to be another Houston, KC or Denver where you have tons of talent surrounding a mediocre QB that will never win a SB."

 

[Uncle Si]

Since .net is not actually going to influence the Seahawks decisions regarding Wilson (or any other player or coach) then why is this "debate" make people so awkward?

We'd need 10,000 more posts and an army of mental health therapists to get to the bottom of why .net members are awkward.

I mean I could understand being even remotely energetic about say, the team's draft needs, as that is atleast something real and tangible coming up.

But this? The Seahawks are not trading Wilson. Atleast not soon. So, for me, i find it a relatively interesting topic about Wilson the QB, the value of the QB position as a whole, and the value of the position in comparison to others.

I like hypothetical questions, but this one is ridiculous, so I'm having a hard time enjoying it.

There is literally no scenario where it makes sense to trade a franchise QB in his prime, no matter the draft pick haul. Because you could spend, and we HAVE spent decades of draft picks trying to find Russell Wilson.

So yeah, I guess the question is "would you like to be another Houston, KC or Denver where you have tons of talent surrounding a mediocre QB that will never win a SB."

I get that (and I would hate them trading RW).

But let's say the FO believes that the money tied up in RW is hindering the ability for the team to move forward... (didn't Denver just win a SB with a mediocre QB?)

I posed this earlier:

Houston's 1st, 3rd and 4th this year and 1st and 2nd next year, plus Brock Osweiler... for Wilson

(this is a mere fragment of the Herschel Walker trade...)

I do not think there is "no" scenario.. but there is no way the Seahawks would do it. But i find it interesting (without getting weirdly emotional about the idea).

 

[Sgt. Largent]

But let's say the FO believes that the money tied up in RW is hindering the ability for the team to move forward... (didn't Denver just win a SB with a mediocre QB?)

I posed this earlier:

Houston's 1st, 3rd and 4th this year and 1st and 2nd next year, plus Brock Osweiler... for Wilson

(this is a mere fragment of the Herschel Walker trade...)

I do not think there is "any" scenario..

OSweiller only makes 3.9M less per year than Russell, so how is that helping free up cap space in your hindering scenario?

That's not even one good O-lineman......................and you just traded Russell for Osweiller, guaranteeing failure.

 

[Uncle Si]

But let's say the FO believes that the money tied up in RW is hindering the ability for the team to move forward... (didn't Denver just win a SB with a mediocre QB?)

I posed this earlier:

Houston's 1st, 3rd and 4th this year and 1st and 2nd next year, plus Brock Osweiler... for Wilson

(this is a mere fragment of the Herschel Walker trade...)

I do not think there is "any" scenario..

OSweiller only makes 3.9M less per year than Russell, so how is that helping free up cap space in your hindering scenario?

That's not even one good O-lineman......................and you just traded Russell for Osweiller, guaranteeing failure.

3 million less on top of the 35 million the team already has? plus all those draft picks? That's "guaranteeing failure?"

I don't understand that line of logic.

and i just picked that out of the blue... just didn't want Kaep

 

[Seymour]

But let's say the FO believes that the money tied up in RW is hindering the ability for the team to move forward... (didn't Denver just win a SB with a mediocre QB?)

I posed this earlier:

Houston's 1st, 3rd and 4th this year and 1st and 2nd next year, plus Brock Osweiler... for Wilson

(this is a mere fragment of the Herschel Walker trade...)

I do not think there is "any" scenario..

OSweiller only makes 3.9M less per year than Russell, so how is that helping free up cap space in your hindering scenario?

That's not even one good O-lineman......................and you just traded Russell for Osweiller, guaranteeing failure.

It doesn't help cap much, but it does prevent the issue that "the midget can't see".

 

[Uncle Si]

who said anything about his height?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

3 million less on top of the 35 million the team already has? plus all those draft picks? That's "guaranteeing failure?"

I don't understand that line of logic.

and i just picked that out of the blue... just didn't want Kaep

Where are you getting the on top of 35M?

Russell's Cap hit:
2017: 18.8M
2018: 21.7M
2019: 23.2M

Osweiler's Cap hit:
2017: 19M
2018: 21M
2019: 20M

Yes the draft picks are awesome, but Osweiler's contract is every bit of a "hindrance" as Russell's for the next three years.

Again, I ain't trading Russell for any draft pick package, because I've spent my entire fan life watching horrific QB play year in and year out. You don't trade a top 5 elite QB in his prime, no matter what the haul is, you just don't.

 

[Uncle Si]

3 million less on top of the 35 million the team already has? plus all those draft picks? That's "guaranteeing failure?"

I don't understand that line of logic.

and i just picked that out of the blue... just didn't want Kaep

Where are you getting the on top of 35M?

Russell's Cap hit:
2017: 18.8M
2018: 21.7M
2019: 23.2M

Osweiler's Cap hit:
2017: 19M
2018: 21M
2019: 20M

Yes the draft picks are awesome, but Osweiler's contract is every bit of a "hindrance" as Russell's for the next three years.

Again, I ain't trading Russell for any draft pick package, because I've spent my entire fan life watching horrific QB play year in and year out. You don't trade a top 5 elite QB in his prime, no matter what the haul is, you just don't.

The Seahawks have 35 million in cap space this year don't they? Of am I off?

and again, no, you do not trade a top 5 elite QB in his prime. The question of whether Wilson is top 5 is debatable and if a cash in for his value when it may be considered at its highest.

But again... the argument comes with so much heated assertions from some it's almost not worth having.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

it's almost not worth having.

Now you're talking.

If people are even half serious in this discussion, they must be young fans who have no idea what this franchise has been through.

Jeff Kemp
John Friesz
Stan Gelbaugh
Seneca Wallace
Dan McGwire
Jon Kitna
Kelly Stouffer
Rick Mirer
Trent Dilfer
Charlie Frye
Charlie Whitehurst
Tavaris Jackson
Matt Flynn
Glen Foley
Brock Huard


I ain't going back! I can't! I won't!

 

[Uncle Si]

it's almost not worth having.

Now you're talking.

If people are even half serious in this discussion, they must be young fans who have no idea what this franchise has been through.

Jeff Kemp
John Friesz
Stan Gelbaugh
Seneca Wallace
Dan McGwire
Jon Kitna
Kelly Stouffer
Rick Mirer
Trent Dilfer
Charlie Frye
Charlie Whitehurst
Tavaris Jackson
Matt Flynn
Glen Foley
Brock Huard


I ain't going back! I can't! I won't!

What's the fun in that though? and not Matt Hasselbeck? Jim Zorn? Dave Krieg? Why did you leave them off and include QBs who never took a meaningful snap for the team?

I mean yes, Wilson is the franchise QB. And if you are emotionally tied to him then so be it. But not sure it's fair to a hypothetical argument to say it's not worth having because your very really feelings would be hurt.. But knowing you aren't really going to trade him, is it such a difficult thing to work the scenario?

 

[Seymour]

who said anything about his height?

Still having trouble keeping up?

I'm not doing the work for you.

 

[Hyak]

I get all of this is hypothetical but it simply amazes me that this discussion is still going on. Clearly, some of the posters here have no idea about how the salary cap works. Wilson arguably is the one guy on the team who's untradeable at least from a cap perspective. All of the prorated signing bonus money would have to accelerate to this year's cap. A trade would subtract $ 18.8 M in cap space but it would add $ 18.6 in prorated signing bonus money with a net savings of $ 200 K.

The argument of being able to use those resources more efficiently doesn't matter, at least not for 2017. Given the makeup of the core and the window of opportunity, it's about as stupid an idea as one can come up with.

 

[Anthony!]

If they were to trade Russell Wilson, the Seahawks would become the laughing stock of the NFL.

Houston's 1st, 3rd and 4th this year and 1st and 2nd next year, plus Brock Osweiler... for Wilson

(this is a mere fragment of the Herschel Walker trade)

LOL yeah we loose, and Houston becomes perennial SB contenders

 

[Anthony!]

In most cases the motivation for trading Wilson by those few who think we should, has nothing to do with helping the team, but to their factless dislike for Wilson. Lets take it one step further you trade Wilson for say Osweiler who is horrible. What FAs are going to come to a team that has no FA QB and has traded the guy that not only was instrumental in getting them to 2 Sbs and winning one, but has gotten them to the playoff every year he has been here. The only Fas you will get are the ones coming for the money, which means you will have to over pay and use your cap quicker. You know who this trade would help the most, the Rams, the Cardinals, and the rest of the NFC.

Like I said stupidest thread of the year so far