Christian Haynes time?

[SeaWolv]

Perhaps not?

Perhaps the more disappointing aspect of all this is that the Seahawks settled on Bradford after evaluating him and Haynes throughout the week of practice. There’s no reason to doubt Macdonald’s evaluation. Haynes is a rookie blocker.

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/26/seahawks-continue-dealing-with-uncertainty-at-rg/

 

[toffee]

Haynes learning curve is sorta flat. Go back and watch the NE game. #64 is in for a series in the 1st half and it was ugly. Beaten 3 plays in a row. The 2nd half series looked better.

I think he just needs more time but it is concerning that he couldn't win the starting job given where he was drafted.

And Haynes in played five years of college ball, not like he was drafted young like Cross when Cross was 21yo. Peter and his coaches rather start Evan Brown instead of Olu, another draftee with five years of college experiences. I am praying that Haynes isn't the second coming of Olu.

 

[toffee]

Earn the spot. If he can’t beat the guy in front of him (AB) when that starter keeps making mistakes, well, don’t just give it to him. Pass the eye test. Win the drills, earn the trust and respect of your teammates.

CH, you want the job, go get it. Hopefully, it’s not a heavy leg situation where he is too slow in his pass sets. He’s a thick man.

"If" Haynes couldn't work out, we will need to fire our scout for interior linemen, that guy would have messed up three times with Bradford, Olu, and C Haynes.

I am hoping Haynes will become NFL starting guard.

 

[SeaWolv]

Olu couldn't out compete Evan Brown as our starting center. Olu had 5 years of college experience. Evan was really bad

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...rade-signals-seahawks-faith-in-olu-oluwatimi/

The Seattle Seahawks traded center Nick Harris along with a 2026 seventh-round pick to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for a 2026 sixth-round selection. The trade occurred one day after Harris earned the start at center in Seattle’s preseason win over the Los Angeles Chargers. The move proves that the franchise has a ton of faith in sophomore center Olu Oluwatimi.

I think we're rushing to judgment a bit on these guys. Oline is one of the hardest things to be good at.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/25/...sive-line-prospects-evaluation-geoff-schwartz

Nowadays, with the advancement of the spread offense in college, a college offensive lineman may only rarely be asked to execute the same assignments and techniques that will be asked of him in the NFL. In addition, practice time was cut drastically when the new NFL collective bargaining agreement was approved in 2011. The CBA reduced the offseason program from 14 weeks to nine, and created time limits. Training camp went from being daily, with occasional two-a-days, to just one padded practice per day and one day off per week.

 

[12AngryHawks]

"If" Haynes couldn't work out, we will need to fire our scout for interior linemen, that guy would have mess up three times with Bradford, Olu, and C Haynes.

I am hoping Haynes will become NFL starting guard.

This 100%

If Haynes truly is worse than Bradford, then JS really needs to reconsider who he has scouting O-linemen. The results on the field year after year have been unacceptable. Puni with the 49ers, by all accounts has looked like a starting RG, how come Seattle keeps whiffing on the OL picks?

Seattle got a lot of praise for picking Haynes when they did, and I chose to believe the hype, but one thing that lingered in the back of my mind, was that he went to UConn, not exactly a powerhouse football program going up against the best of the best consistently. Which is probably why Puni looks better, he went up against Big XII DL's in college. I know it's early, but when the OL has been this bad for so long, it's hard to find any encouragement.

Cross has definitely been encouraging, and Lucas is great when he's healthy, and Williams could be too, but it's hard to do your job well as a center when the guys on both sides of you are constantly whiffing on blocks.

 

[toffee]

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...rade-signals-seahawks-faith-in-olu-oluwatimi/



I think we're rushing to judgment a bit on these guys. Oline is one of the hardest things to be good at.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/25/...sive-line-prospects-evaluation-geoff-schwartz

5 years of college ball plus 2 years of pro-ball is a lot training, if a guy still couldn't out compete some very low grade journeyman after those seven years, ummm, just how much more training?

Nevertheless, I hope you are right, I hope somehow Olu could flip a switch and prove both Pete and his coaches, and, Macdonald and his coaches wrong.

 

[SeaWolv]

5 years of college ball plus 2 years of pro-ball is a lot training, if a guy still couldn't out compete some very low grade journeyman after those seven years, ummm, just how much more training?

Nevertheless, I hope you are right, I hope somehow Olu could flip a switch and prove both Pete and his coaches, and, Macdonald and his coaches wrong.

You really can't count the 5 years in college, as the article I linked states:

a college offensive lineman may only rarely be asked to execute the same assignments and techniques that will be asked of him in the NFL.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

x.com

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There's your answer regarding Haynes not starting

 

[toffee]

x.com

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There's your answer regarding Haynes not starting

Haynes needs to improve his power and technique, he is behind Bradford in those two areas. Lol, have you seen Bradford overwhelmed opponents with his technique?

May be it's time to sign a vetmin 1 year deal with the Phil Haynes while the other Haynes work on his power and technique?

 

[chrispy]

There was recently an article talking about how MMac was upset about how out of shape a (or several) player was when they showed up for camp. I think it stated that he said he'd have cut the player except there was too much guaranteed money on the line. It occurs to me that a young OL that has a lot of learning might be even further behind if they also weren't yet in "football-shape." Potentially, this could be a lingering issue left over from Pete and his waning accountability toward the end. If the OL room had become complacent in off-season training, we would expect to see a noticeable improvement after next off-season.

This is all conjecture, but (to me) fits the information "out there." The OL could be the limiting factor this season, but next season is when (i think) there's a real shot at a deep playoff run. Might be that there's already a culture improvement pointing toward that to happen.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

There was recently an article talking about how MMac was upset about how out of shape a (or several) player was when they showed up for camp. I think it stated that he said he'd have cut the player except there was too much guaranteed money on the line. It occurs to me that a young OL that has a lot of learning might be even further behind if they also weren't yet in "football-shape." Potentially, this could be a lingering issue left over from Pete and his waning accountability toward the end. If the OL room had become complacent in off-season training, we would expect to see a noticeable improvement after next off-season.

This is all conjecture, but (to me) fits the information "out there." The OL could be the limiting factor this season, but next season is when (i think) there's a real shot at a deep playoff run. Might be that there's already a culture improvement pointing toward that to happen.

The out of shape person was supposedly a DB, likely a lower round one. At least that was alluded to on Brock and Salk.

Hawk blogger has mentioned before though that Bradford came in out of shape in his rookie season and struggled to get into shape all year.

Can you imagine MM with Eddy Lacy

 

[chris98251]

Andre Hinds, 2nd round draft pick way back when, could not make it around the track, finally Knox had enough and they actually cut him. Don't think he even made it out of camp.

 

[toffee]

The out of shape person was supposedly a DB, likely a lower round one. At least that was alluded to on Brock and Salk.

Hawk blogger has mentioned before though that Bradford came in out of shape in his rookie season and struggled to get into shape all year.

Can you imagine MM with Eddy Lacy

Penny, he came in fat and got out competed by Carson. I suspect Penny's lack of conditioning played a part in his injury history too

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Penny, he came in fat and got out competed by Carson. I suspect Penny's lack of conditioning played a part in his injury history too

Still pissed off we could have had Nick Chubb

 

[MORGULON]

Why it's not surprising that the Seahawks have a guard problem

Who is the most surprising Seahawks player so far? Question Everything, Week 4: Seaside Joe 2034

www.seasidejoe.com

I like this article by Seaside Joe

 

[BASF]

With all of these guard problems since Hutchinson was hired to be a consultant on the o-line, maybe it's time to fire his traitorous ass.

 

[jammerhawk]

“Lucas is great when he is healthy.”

When is that “healthy” ever going to happen?

I find myself disappointed that Haynes is not measuring up to the hope we had for him when he was drafted. Perhaps he just needs to get stronger and to add about 10 pounds. It seems clear that he still needs to work on his technique.

Despite a belief by some that playing G in the NFL is easy I think there is a steep learning curve for the position as the talent and size of DLinemen playing on the interior DLine throughout the league is certainly exceptional. I still have high hopes for this player as I do for the other G drafted this year.

We just need to be patient I suppose.

 

[King Dog]

Welp bust alert


OC Grubb hints at why 3rd rd pick Christian Haynes is still 2nd string behind lousy Anthony Bradford at RG...he cites their size difference - Bradford is 6-5 and 335 while Haynes is 6-2 and 318, then mentions, "so I think for Christian it’s not getting overpowered and overwhelmed.”

 

[toffee]

Welp bust alert


OC Grubb hints at why 3rd rd pick Christian Haynes is still 2nd string behind lousy Anthony Bradford at RG...he cites their size difference - Bradford is 6-5 and 335 while Haynes is 6-2 and 318, then mentions, "so I think for Christian it’s not getting overpowered and overwhelmed.”

Dominick Puni drafted a few spots after Haynes is playing starter snap counts at SF and enjoys better grading from PFF than Bradford, make that much better.

Let's all pray together that Haynes flip a switch at some point.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

The guy must be a bust. We have a terrible line, so if he can't get a spot starting, it's a completely wasted draft pick, and they ought to cut or trade him.