Carroll said "doubting fans need to “do their homework”

[OreIdahawk]

So Pete says red zone and 3rd down haven't been as good as they need to be, but anyone on this board who express concerns about the offense needs to shut up?

YEAH BUT BUT BUT 5-1!

I like that PC was essentially like, "Do your homework, guys. And when you do, notice how we're only 15th in RZ TD% (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/re ... coring-pct) and a dismal 28th in third-down percentage (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/th ... ersion-pct).

Yeah, that makes me feel way better.

Oh NO!! We're in the top half of the league in RZ TD%?!?!?! Without key players on our O-line, and WR corps? There goes our superbowl contention... In all seriousness though, yes we do need to improve on 3rd downs, definitely. Our offense isn't perfect but when you put it into context with our situation we are doing amazingly. I really don't know how any of us can complain. I know for a fact we are doing better offensively at this point in the season than we were last year at this same point.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Volsung, you have half a point about what Montana said. Yeah, "We almost lost at home to Ryan Fitzpatrick" has some hyperbole and it's a bit over the top, but it's absolutely not irrelevant and total BS like you are making it out to be. He did drive down most of the field on us a couple times.

Montana said it to make a point, and I think that point is lost on a lot of people.

Montana doesn't have a point. At all. Talking about how Fitzpatrick might not have thrown those interceptions is probably your most ludicrous point. That's what Fitzpatrick does. He throws INTs not TDs. The surprising thing is that he didn't have more (because Thurmond dropped a pick 6 which would have probably stemmed the whole "we almost lost" crap).

He drove down the field and got field goals... which is EXACTLY one of the big problems people are complaining about regarding OUR offense.

So when WE drive down the field and get field goals, it's "not good enough" and represents offensive issues.

When our OPPONENT drives down the field and gets field goals, all of a sudden we're "almost losing" to that guy?

Holy hell. :34853_doh:

Open up your thinking a bit. We're supposed to have one of the top 2-3 defenses in the league, and we played at home, and Fitzpatrick is a backup QB.

Again, how thick can you be? He had a 177 yard 2 INT day with a miserable 46.8 rating.

 

[razor150]

Carroll needs to focus more on the protection issues in the passing game, and then undisciplined play then whether or not fans think our offense is bad. The only reason this offense does anything at all is due to Wilson's ability to keep a play alive. The majority of the time when this offense has converted on 3rd down, which isn't a lot, it is because Wilson has yet again just escaped another collapsed pocket that didn't last more then 1 second. The offensive line is pathetic at protecting the most important player on the team even when healthy, and he has the gall to tell doubting fans to do their homework. To him I say do your job. Just because our o-line protected better when healthy it doesn't mean it was good to begin with. The injuries have only made worse an already serious problem. Outside of Unger and Okung the guys on the offensive line are little more then serviceable and wouldn't start on any other team. My response to him and to anybody else is to fix the offensive line and finally do something about the stupid penalties.

Since Carroll has gotten here the team's biggest problem has been stupid undisciplined penalties that kill our drives and extend the opponents. I have zero faith in him to ever actually fix that. Since Cable has been here he has prioritized run blocking to pass blocking to the detriment of the passing game, and I have almost zero faith in Cable assembling an offensive line that can actually pass block.

 

[pehawk]

This does have SOME merit. I saw some really odd chirping about a defensive front routinely collapsing and pressuring QB's There's seemingly an assumption a sack should be had, every time, even vs a solid-team with checkdown tendencies. It doesn't take into account the checkdown and short gain is a "positive".

Also, we cant just discount that the offense is still serving its function, albeit differently. They're still sustaining drives without coughing the ball up. Now it has to be done with Wilson's legs, but it still works. That gives the tenacious defense more rest and fresher legs.

With the OL injuries, this team is going week to week to win, not build momentum. They regime also planned an offense around an outlet type, Harvin, being involved.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

This does have SOME merit. I saw some really odd chirping about a defensive front routinely collapsing and pressuring QB's There's seemingly an assumption a sack should be had, every time, even vs a solid-team with checkdown tendencies. It doesn't take into account the checkdown and short gain is a "positive".

This I agree with. In terms of the defense, the pass rush is excellent. People look for sacks and not for hurries, knockdowns, and forcing a three-yard out instead of a twenty-yard post. Other than failing to chase around T.Y. Hilton, the secondary has been very good, too. Can't stop everyone all the time in a passing league.

 

[Missing_Clink]

You can still be a 100% devoted Seahawks fan and point out obvious areas of concern with the team. Right now, we are 5-1 largely because of our defense. The offense has struggled in some important areas and has not hit its stride yet. Pete and all the fans hope it will soon. Anyone who has a problem with fans stating the obvious needs to get off their high horse

 

[volsunghawk]

He drove down the field and got field goals... which is EXACTLY one of the big problems people are complaining about regarding OUR offense.

So when WE drive down the field and get field goals, it's "not good enough" and represents offensive issues.

When our OPPONENT drives down the field and gets field goals, all of a sudden we're "almost losing" to that guy?

Holy hell. :34853_doh:

Open up your thinking a bit. We're supposed to have one of the top 2-3 defenses in the league, and we played at home, and Fitzpatrick is a backup QB.

And that backup QB (who, for the record, managed to play well enough at one time to squeeze a big damn contract out of an NFL team) managed to net his team 6 points all game long.

I'm curious how open my thinking needs to be to see an offense that scored 6 points almost beating us.

 

[MOCHawk]

Two points for me:

The errors are not really "uncharacteristic" at this point. Pete also talks about playing a clean game. We have not done that with any consistency. Either penalties or turnovers have made us look very pedestrian at times in several games on offense and one on defense.

No matter by whom or how it is sugar coated, that did not look like a championship team last week, and we are trying to play championship football every week. Let's clean up the physical and mental errors and see where we are. We certainly are not in danger of peaking too soon.

I'm not 100% doom and gloom. I think things are very fixable, but it does us no good to ignore the issues. I'm very happy to be 5-1 at this point. I just expect them to play cleaner football than they have played so far.

 

[DavidSeven]

15th in RZ TDs
28th in 3rd-down pct.
29th in total passing yards
18th in total rushing yards

So, I did my homework. Again, why shouldn't I be a bit concerned?

You need to do better homework.

Seattle is #2 in overall rushing and #22 in overall passing (one spot behind the Andrew Luck led Colts). Where did you get your numbers? We're #8 in PPG and #10 in YPG.

 

[Laloosh]

My homework says we almost lost at home to Ryan Fitzpatrick.

You didn't do your homework then...if you had a good bead on how that game was going, you knew that their O wasn't going to sniff the end zone

The fact that we had to give our starting right corner a "break" tells me different. I agree that Fitz wasn't all that scary at any point but they were in the game and one explosive play (like a TD pass over the top of BB) or some drive killing holds by SEA (glad to see this was not an issue for a change) away from turning the corner in that game.

As Pete keeps saying, if we can get out of our own way, these close games aren't so close.

On a personal note, and this is not necessarily directed at the poster that I quoted, you guys come down too hard on people for expressing their opinion around here.

Try to have a little respect for your fellow fans. Some of us don't understand the game like others, but we are fans and this is a really nice place to get your Seahawks fix through the week but people will be less interested in participating when they come under attack.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

15th in RZ TDs
28th in 3rd-down pct.
29th in total passing yards
18th in total rushing yards

So, I did my homework. Again, why shouldn't I be a bit concerned?

You need to do better homework.

Seattle is #2 in overall rushing and #24 in overall passing. Where did you get your numbers? #8 in PPG and #10 in YPG.

ESPN. Unless you want to dispute the yardage totals listed there?

 

[Hawknight]

You can still be a 100% devoted Seahawks fan and point out obvious areas of concern with the team. Right now, we are 5-1 largely because of our defense. The offense has struggled in some important areas and has not hit its stride yet. Pete and all the fans hope it will soon. Anyone who has a problem with fans stating the obvious needs to get off their high horse

I think it's 50% defense, 50% Russell's legs IMHO

 

[OreIdahawk]

You can still be a 100% devoted Seahawks fan and point out obvious areas of concern with the team. Right now, we are 5-1 largely because of our defense. The offense has struggled in some important areas and has not hit its stride yet. Pete and all the fans hope it will soon. Anyone who has a problem with fans stating the obvious needs to get off their high horse

I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone stating the obvious. Our team isn't perfect. After awhile though, it comes off as ungrateful, whiny, bitchiness.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Again, how thick can you be? He had a 177 yard 2 INT day with a miserable 46.8 rating.

If you don't want what we're capable of, (look at Arizona @ Seattle last year) that's fine. I'd like to see us play more towards what we're capable of, though. I'm not disappointed in our team or any crap like that, so don't take it to extremes, but we can definitely be doing more, and we have proven it. Just not in 2013, yet.

 

[DavidSeven]

15th in RZ TDs
28th in 3rd-down pct.
29th in total passing yards
18th in total rushing yards

So, I did my homework. Again, why shouldn't I be a bit concerned?

You need to do better homework.

Seattle is #2 in overall rushing and #24 in overall passing. Where did you get your numbers? #8 in PPG and #10 in YPG.

ESPN. Unless you want to dispute the yardage totals listed there?

You're wrong. They are #2. I also looked on ESPN.

 

[volsunghawk]

15th in RZ TDs
28th in 3rd-down pct.
29th in total passing yards
18th in total rushing yards

So, I did my homework. Again, why shouldn't I be a bit concerned?

You need to do better homework.

Seattle is #2 in overall rushing and #24 in overall passing. Where did you get your numbers? #8 in PPG and #10 in YPG.

ESPN. Unless you want to dispute the yardage totals listed there?

From ESPN:

Seattle = #2 rushing offense
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing

Seattle = #22 passing offense
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I thought the defense played well against TEN. Kendall Wright made some nice plays across the middle, but again, can't stop everyone all the time in a passing league. I'm more concerned about how bad the offense was, especially in the first half.

EDIT: Then I stand corrected. Must be my bad. I looked up "2013 Team Rushing Stats" and got those numbers. I must have been looking at something different, then.

 

[Hasselbeck]

15th in RZ TDs
28th in 3rd-down pct.
29th in total passing yards
18th in total rushing yards

So, I did my homework. Again, why shouldn't I be a bit concerned?

You need to do better homework.

Seattle is #2 in overall rushing and #24 in overall passing. Where did you get your numbers? #8 in PPG and #10 in YPG.

ESPN. Unless you want to dispute the yardage totals listed there?

Yeah... I'd like to dispute those totals.. because this is also from ESPN.

:3-1:

 

[Sarlacc83]

Again, how thick can you be? He had a 177 yard 2 INT day with a miserable 46.8 rating.

If you don't want what we're capable of, (look at Arizona @ Seattle last year) that's fine. I'd like to see us play more towards what we're capable of, though. I'm not disappointed in our team or any crap like that, so don't take it to extremes, but we can definitely be doing more, and we have proven it. Just not in 2013, yet.

What? We're #2 in overall defense and our PPGA is 15.7. A whopping .4 worse than last year (and coming down after 2 bad games on the road). I don't know how much more you want from the D; it's not like the rules are set up to allow them to dominate. Will it take 10 sacks a game and a pick six to live up to their potential?

 

[jlwaters1]

15th in RZ TDs
28th in 3rd-down pct.
29th in total passing yards
18th in total rushing yards

So, I did my homework. Again, why shouldn't I be a bit concerned?

No one here is saying WE SUCK, BLOW IT UP. Well, maybe a couple of trolls, but no one takes them seriously. Someone was saying that Russell Wilson sucked last week, apparently. Somehow. I don't know how anyone could possibly come up with that after watching him kill it. But still, people are bringing up great points and the zombies that just want to parrot how great we are get all shook for some reason.

except your "research" is faulty

Seattle ranks 2nd in Rushing yards per game. Not 18th.
Seattle ranks 24th in passing yards- just 5 yards short of the COLTS.
Seattle Ranks 10th in Total offense.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1