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Carroll: Earl is Earl
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Earl was my favourite player until this. I’m sure most of us on this forum have played competitive team sports and we all realize how important the “team first” mentality is.
I love the way he plays, but this soured me in him because you never put yourself before the team.
I love the way he plays, but this soured me in him because you never put yourself before the team.
It has zero impact on how he plays. Or will play in the future. He is under contact in 2018, so zero control over what happens. By the time 2018 is over, they'll have a lot better idea how much he has left in the tank. Sure it was probably a dumb thing to say, but at least he came back and explained himself. Unlike Sherm who would rather have a chainsaw enema than admit he's wrong about something, ever.
Pro sports are a different animal than any level before it. I don't think you can apply junior high/high school/college team chemistry dynamics to the NFL.Ace_Rimmer":jsvbi1al said:
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Ace_Rimmer":zthkhf89 said:
Agreed, I don't give a shit how you try to spin it. It's not about anyone being butt-hurt rolly polly, it's about the team first mentality and not doing things that can obviously only hurt your team. The timing again was awful, you think the other players want to see that, the young guys? Nah.
Pete's words mean little, he will always defend his crew even if they are wrong.
I'm kinda over this now, but it definitely changes my view on Earl.
? has he ever put himself before the team on the field? Absolutely not. Not many players in the league play as hard as he does and/or with as much passion as he does.
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SoulfishHawk":101hmjaa said:
Not about that, it's about what he did off the field. Quit trying to change the narrative.
There is nothing wrong with people not liking what he did, it wasn't normal.
He's a great player on the field sure, but you gotta be smart off the field too.
I still like him, but it was a stupid move.
It's almost like he heard rumor that we might not keep him and took it personally. It's a business, can't keep everyone.
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It's esentially a lighter version of the "Kam" incident when he literally went insane on twitter and started blocking fans... like really? :34853_doh:
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RolandDeschain":3frptc2n said:
Tell that to a room full of NHLers!
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StoneCold":14ebr62d said:
Think of it this way, it's like a parent being best friends with their kid. It's not a terrible dynamic but also not the dynamic you need for every situation. "Oh that's just Johnny being Johnny" after he punches a baby in the face.
Well, if you choose to let it bug you that much, go for it. It was dumb, move on. And yeah, this is exactly like punching someone in the face :2thumbs:
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The other thing that pisses me off about this is he is a leader on the team whether he is vocal or not. It is widely known that he carries a lot of clout, and that his actions are setting a bad example for the young guys coming up.
If he really wanted to make it known that he wants to go the Girls, then covey that through his agent through indirect channels like most guys would.
Pete can say whatever he wants about this, but there is a real problem and the inmates are starting to run the asylum.
If he really wanted to make it known that he wants to go the Girls, then covey that through his agent through indirect channels like most guys would.
Pete can say whatever he wants about this, but there is a real problem and the inmates are starting to run the asylum.
Can't really argue that at all. He seems to let them do or say whatever the want quite often. Though this doesn't come close to some of the crap that Sherm has said over the years.
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Ace_Rimmer":3amyyfz7 said:
True leaders don't do the bold.
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It's the same idea, it's excusing bad decisions which Pete LOVESSSSSSS to do.SoulfishHawk":2tqexvkj said:
I would love to support the team and players blindly, but I'm too objective and call it like I see it.
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Nothing Earl said will have a negative effect on anything, except some people's fragile feelings.
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These players arent as dumb as some want us to believe. They know exactly what they're doing when they say things. We hear Carroll's PR shtick so often, its becoming laughable.
May not be dumb, but they do plenty of dumb things. See Sherm.
I guess I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is something out of the norm. This team has had guys saying strange things for years. This is no different, and certainly isn't as bad as some of the other things people have done or said on this team. Like how they acted at the end of the Jags game. That was embarrassing. Earl saying that out loud was just kind of dumb, but it will have zero impact. And even if they lose, which they won't, it won't be because of this. Even if people attempt to spin it that way. Probably a lot of the same people who blamed Ciara if Russ didn't have a huge game.
I guess I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is something out of the norm. This team has had guys saying strange things for years. This is no different, and certainly isn't as bad as some of the other things people have done or said on this team. Like how they acted at the end of the Jags game. That was embarrassing. Earl saying that out loud was just kind of dumb, but it will have zero impact. And even if they lose, which they won't, it won't be because of this. Even if people attempt to spin it that way. Probably a lot of the same people who blamed Ciara if Russ didn't have a huge game.
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Of course they all know what they are doing. Carroll's responses are irrelevant at this point. I just hope the team comes out prepared and wins and we get help from Carolina. If the season ends on Sunday, then these other issues will need to be addressed.
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Ace_Rimmer":1ume4wz4 said:
I know this is a figure of speech but can we stop with this nonsense?
These are talented paid professionals, not children or maids. I have been among the harshest critics of Earl recently and I have several posts to prove that. But I can't stand this idea that he somehow doesn't at minimum have the right to speak his mind(as a human being and professional). I may not like it, but I'm not gonna suggest Pete should somehow put him in his place as if he's Earl's father. I put it on Earl. If he wants to be here great, if he doesn't kick rocks. He has that right. I may be pissed at the disloyalty and believe he might be hurting the culture of our team. But I'll still speak about him as an adult with his own rights as an individual. He's done nothing to violate his actual contract, he plays hard
This idea that coaches should somehow keep a boot on their players necks is a big reason why free agents don't sign with certain teams. It's why the Patriots had to create an elite system that can elevate average to good talent. If you notice the top shelf free agents don't always sign with them.
Players know this is a business and their talent is currency. If you don't show respect for them and talk to them like they're below you they'll leave. If anything, part of why we've kept a lot of our pieces is because Pete is extremely progressive and open minded. If I was a player, I'd take a paycut just for him. All of our defensive stars could have gotten more money elsewhere
