I've never liked Cam Newton, and I mean never. But, I have to admit, I've come to enjoy some of his insights into football as of late. This take on what's going on in Pittsburgh regarding DangerPuss is interesting (and I think he's right).
Cam Newton on Russell Wilson...Interesting
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MORGULON
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What did he say about the puss?
Vesuve
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I never liked him either.
Based on what he's said. Plus, he's a twat, IMO.
However.....a few days before this thread....I ran into his Youtube channel and I watch it sometimes. He can be insightful.
Now, I'm listening to him talk about Adrian Peterson being broke after having earned $100.
AP is loser....Borrowed money to fly "friends" to his play for his birthday party.......I wonder what his Wonderlic score was.
MORGULON
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These players aren't different than us in that they come into a lot of money without the skills right manage it.
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Just that RW isn't injured, it's a smokescreen, and that Justin Fields is the starter.
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If this is the case then why is RW playing along with his fake injury? If he's not going to play and the Steelers are paying him peanuts this season - what's keeping him in line?
MORGULON
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That's what I was saying 2 weeks ago. Dangerpuss is probably avoiding being exposed for the last and final time.
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Cam comes off arrogant at times, but isn't a bad guy. Stories of his generosity and community outreach in the Charlotte area are impressively refreshing.
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I have a friend who works for the team. I asked them about Russ and they said Russ is the most genuine and nicest athlete they were around since being with the Seahawks. They also said he treats everyone from the lowest staff member to the team president the exact same. So I know I get labeled a Russ apologist on here but its tough when you get people saying he's a terrible ego centric dude when they know nothing about him. They also said almost all the players view Russ in that same light and the guys who don't are players who don't like anyone who deosn't live like they do.
I'm good for anyone rooting against him, being mad at how he handled his exit here, hoping he never wins another game etc as all of that is fair game. What drives me nuts is people killing his character like he's a crap human when by all accounts he's actually the opposite and probably does more than everyone in here who is quick to call him terrible.
Just my opinion and everyone is free to disagree.
I'm good for anyone rooting against him, being mad at how he handled his exit here, hoping he never wins another game etc as all of that is fair game. What drives me nuts is people killing his character like he's a crap human when by all accounts he's actually the opposite and probably does more than everyone in here who is quick to call him terrible.
Just my opinion and everyone is free to disagree.
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Great question. I think, just my .02, Russ is trying to be the "good teammate" to save his image both inside and outside the building while also casually discrediting some of the negative press that's been hanging over him from his time/exit in both Denver and Seattle. There's probably more to it that I'm not aware of but IMO that's a component of it.
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I think there's a pretty clear distinction between how someone conducts themselves when everyone is watching versus behind closed doors. RW's Children's Hospital work in Seattle and how he publicly presented himself I think are commendable. However, it's the conniving and narcissistic stuff that oozed out after leaving the Seahawks that have soured alot of people because it revealed his goodie two-shoes persona to be fraudulent.
MORGULON
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I can't say I know a lot about the man but I do like some of his content on YouTube re: plays , formations, terminology etc.
He seems somewhat humble
MORGULON
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Nice post , well stated .
I'm torn between what he was (in my mind) versus what he "appeared" to turn into. The way he left Seattle is what got to me and what fueled my invective.
I've softened my stance and while I don't actual hate him, I am thankful for the young , hungry ,goofy Russ that hoisted the Lombardi .
I think Russ is a good dude, overall. Cringy, tone deaf, yes. But ultimately a good dude who means well.
MORGULON
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Very tone deaf and in a world where he has a lot of "yes" men around him telling him what they think he wants to hear, he needed some real world wisdom to bring him to a street level understanding.
I'm afraid he's never received this.
I'm afraid he's never received this.
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, no issue there. But before we get ahead of ourselves, let's not forget that little scandal surrounding Russell Wilson's non-profit:
The nonprofit co-founded by Denver Broncos star Russell Wilson spent nearly twice as much on employee salaries as it did toward charitable causes between 2020 and 2021, according to the Arizona Republic's Jason Wolf (h/t Yahoo Sports).
Wolf reported the Why Not You Foundation said in federal tax records that $1.1 million had gone toward salaries and benefits, with $600,000 set aside for philanthropic aims.
Scott Pickett, the foundation's chief financial officer, told Wolf the Why Not You Foundation works with third parties and that the results of those partnerships aren't reflected in tax returns.
"Millions of dollars in funds raised by the Why Not You Foundation go through our partners who can deliver that money where it is needed more directly," Pickett said. "Those funds were raised, in large part, through the work of the foundation, but you would not see all of those dollars in the foundation's tax documents."
As one example of the discrepancy between perception and reality, the Why Not You Foundation celebrated a charitable effort in 2019 that helped raise more than $2.6 million for Seattle Children's Hospital. Included in the release is Wilson, then with the Seattle Seahawks, presenting a novelty check for $2,616,625.
According to Wolf, the Why Not You Foundation directly donated just $78,000 to Seattle Children's Hospital in 2019 and an overall total of $836,000.
Wilson was honored as the NFL's Walter Payton Man of the Year in 2020. The award honors players who have made a significant impact off the field. In the NFL's press release, Wilson's role with the Why Not You Foundation is cited along with how the foundation helped address food scarcity.
Wolf cited details directly from the Why Not You Foundation's Form 990 federal tax returns, including from the year Wilson was named Man of the Year. In 2020, the foundation said it had expenses of $1.2 million and revenue of $838,000, with only $257,000 set aside for "program services."
Among the expenses was $209,000 for chief strategy officer Ryan Tarpley and $166,000 for executive director Carly Young. Their salaries climbed to $222,500 and $176,000, respectively, in 2021.
Wolf provided some additional context for those figures:
"Both six-figure salaries were exorbitant for top leadership positions at Seattle-based human services nonprofits with $1 million to $5 million in annual expenses, according to empirical data collected by the charity watchdog group Candid, formerly known as Guidestar, in its 2021 nonprofit compensation report.
"Tarpley was paid more than double the median for a CEO or executive director ($107,000) and both Tarpley and Young exceeded the 90th percentile ($139,000) by tens of thousands of dollars."
In the case of Tarpley, he had also been employed as the chief strategy officer for the family office of Wilson and his wife, Ciara.
Andrew Morton, a lawyer and expert in philanthropic law, told Wolf it is "absolutely, categorically illegal to have a nonprofit pay you to do work outside of supporting its charitable purposes."
Morton went on to question whether Tarpley maintained the necessary firewall between his work for the Why Not You Foundation and the Wilsons' family office.
"If he's not spending 40 hours a week for the foundation and he's doing work for the family office, then the foundation is paying for him to work for the family office," Morton said.
For anyone not up to speed on non-profits, that's a big problem.
The nonprofit co-founded by Denver Broncos star Russell Wilson spent nearly twice as much on employee salaries as it did toward charitable causes between 2020 and 2021, according to the Arizona Republic's Jason Wolf (h/t Yahoo Sports).
Wolf reported the Why Not You Foundation said in federal tax records that $1.1 million had gone toward salaries and benefits, with $600,000 set aside for philanthropic aims.
Scott Pickett, the foundation's chief financial officer, told Wolf the Why Not You Foundation works with third parties and that the results of those partnerships aren't reflected in tax returns.
"Millions of dollars in funds raised by the Why Not You Foundation go through our partners who can deliver that money where it is needed more directly," Pickett said. "Those funds were raised, in large part, through the work of the foundation, but you would not see all of those dollars in the foundation's tax documents."
As one example of the discrepancy between perception and reality, the Why Not You Foundation celebrated a charitable effort in 2019 that helped raise more than $2.6 million for Seattle Children's Hospital. Included in the release is Wilson, then with the Seattle Seahawks, presenting a novelty check for $2,616,625.
According to Wolf, the Why Not You Foundation directly donated just $78,000 to Seattle Children's Hospital in 2019 and an overall total of $836,000.
Wilson was honored as the NFL's Walter Payton Man of the Year in 2020. The award honors players who have made a significant impact off the field. In the NFL's press release, Wilson's role with the Why Not You Foundation is cited along with how the foundation helped address food scarcity.
Wolf cited details directly from the Why Not You Foundation's Form 990 federal tax returns, including from the year Wilson was named Man of the Year. In 2020, the foundation said it had expenses of $1.2 million and revenue of $838,000, with only $257,000 set aside for "program services."
Among the expenses was $209,000 for chief strategy officer Ryan Tarpley and $166,000 for executive director Carly Young. Their salaries climbed to $222,500 and $176,000, respectively, in 2021.
Wolf provided some additional context for those figures:
"Both six-figure salaries were exorbitant for top leadership positions at Seattle-based human services nonprofits with $1 million to $5 million in annual expenses, according to empirical data collected by the charity watchdog group Candid, formerly known as Guidestar, in its 2021 nonprofit compensation report.
"Tarpley was paid more than double the median for a CEO or executive director ($107,000) and both Tarpley and Young exceeded the 90th percentile ($139,000) by tens of thousands of dollars."
In the case of Tarpley, he had also been employed as the chief strategy officer for the family office of Wilson and his wife, Ciara.
Andrew Morton, a lawyer and expert in philanthropic law, told Wolf it is "absolutely, categorically illegal to have a nonprofit pay you to do work outside of supporting its charitable purposes."
Morton went on to question whether Tarpley maintained the necessary firewall between his work for the Why Not You Foundation and the Wilsons' family office.
"If he's not spending 40 hours a week for the foundation and he's doing work for the family office, then the foundation is paying for him to work for the family office," Morton said.
For anyone not up to speed on non-profits, that's a big problem.
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Sounds like a scam to get his friends paid . And paid well.
And people wonder why many are not too pumped and jacked to give their hard earned money away to "charities"
And people wonder why many are not too pumped and jacked to give their hard earned money away to "charities"
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I would think (or at least hope) that even Russ's biggest detractors concede that he's probably at least mostly a good guy. I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't be absolutely shocked if a video came out of him berating the wait staff at Denny's for giving him the wrong side item with his Grand Slam Breakfast. I do think he immensely enjoys his celebrity and spotlight, but he's one of the last professional athletes that I would expect to "Do you know who I am?" someone.
Even if he is a good guy though, he does seem decently removed from his days as the ultra-humbled underdog who overcame the odds and fought tooth and nail to become incredibly successful at one of the most difficult crafts in professional sports at a shockingly young age. As he went "Hollywood" his priorities seemed to shift, even if he was still saying the right things, it felt like he began to hold himself less accountable for his actions, and he showed an almost embarrassing lack of self-awareness. There's nothing inherently wrong with someone who prides themselves as a businessman giving exceptional care to their image; hell, it probably makes good business sense, but there's a reason Marshawn Lynch is held much higher in Seahawks fans lore as a personality. Russ is difficult to relate to. He comes off analogous to a politician.
Like most, my primary issue with Russ was the way he left. I'd be lying if I said I've never been in a situation in my life where things got kind of stale and played out and I was just wanting to move on. If Russ had come out and said "I appreciate the Seahawks organization for everything it has given me, and I will always be a Seahawk at heart, but there's a discrepancy in goals and visions moving forward, and both myself and the front office have agreed that it would be best for everyone to seek a trade to a new team", I would have respected that. Instead, Russ told the fans that he wanted to be a "Seahawk for life" while simultaneously using back channels to undermine the organization and force his way out. That was far less respectable. He cared too much about not being liked and it burned him.
He probably gets more hate that he deserves now, but a lot of the corniness and unflappable positivity that you find endearing when the player is on your team becomes grating when he's not. That's just the way things are. I mean, I couldn't be the only one who absolutely hated Pete Carroll at USC, and there nothing hateable about him. He's annoying because he beats your team and looks like he's having fun doing it. It comes off as smug, even if it really isn't.
It's very unlikely that I will ever refer to Russ as one of my all-time favorite Seahawks, but he is undeniably the best quarterback in franchise history, and if I'm fortunate enough to be in attendance at his Ring Of Honor induction, I'll be clapping and screaming as loudly as anyone there.
Even if he is a good guy though, he does seem decently removed from his days as the ultra-humbled underdog who overcame the odds and fought tooth and nail to become incredibly successful at one of the most difficult crafts in professional sports at a shockingly young age. As he went "Hollywood" his priorities seemed to shift, even if he was still saying the right things, it felt like he began to hold himself less accountable for his actions, and he showed an almost embarrassing lack of self-awareness. There's nothing inherently wrong with someone who prides themselves as a businessman giving exceptional care to their image; hell, it probably makes good business sense, but there's a reason Marshawn Lynch is held much higher in Seahawks fans lore as a personality. Russ is difficult to relate to. He comes off analogous to a politician.
Like most, my primary issue with Russ was the way he left. I'd be lying if I said I've never been in a situation in my life where things got kind of stale and played out and I was just wanting to move on. If Russ had come out and said "I appreciate the Seahawks organization for everything it has given me, and I will always be a Seahawk at heart, but there's a discrepancy in goals and visions moving forward, and both myself and the front office have agreed that it would be best for everyone to seek a trade to a new team", I would have respected that. Instead, Russ told the fans that he wanted to be a "Seahawk for life" while simultaneously using back channels to undermine the organization and force his way out. That was far less respectable. He cared too much about not being liked and it burned him.
He probably gets more hate that he deserves now, but a lot of the corniness and unflappable positivity that you find endearing when the player is on your team becomes grating when he's not. That's just the way things are. I mean, I couldn't be the only one who absolutely hated Pete Carroll at USC, and there nothing hateable about him. He's annoying because he beats your team and looks like he's having fun doing it. It comes off as smug, even if it really isn't.
It's very unlikely that I will ever refer to Russ as one of my all-time favorite Seahawks, but he is undeniably the best quarterback in franchise history, and if I'm fortunate enough to be in attendance at his Ring Of Honor induction, I'll be clapping and screaming as loudly as anyone there.
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