Broncos vs Redskins

[Weadoption]

 

[Maelstrom787]

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Good job. Great point you made there.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I'm beyond glad this guy is gone. He's good for an occasional moon ball, but he's not a franchise quarterback anymore.

At the end of the day, he's going to get you about what Derek Carr would... just, you know, for infinitely more money and resources.

He’s nothing now he lost his escapability. I thank him for his part in getting us to back to back Super Bowls and his part on getting a Lombardi trophy in the trophy case, but he’s Denver’s headache now.

 

[WmHBonney]

Wilson is looking really good. 2 big bombs. Also has 2Td. 5/6 145yrds.

At this point in the game, Mims had 2 catches for 113 of those yards. Two moon balls do not make a good QB.

 

[toffee]

He’s nothing now he lost his escapability. I thank him for his part in getting us to back to back Super Bowls and his part on getting a Lombardi trophy in the trophy case, but he’s Denver’s headache now.

I like to speculate that Wilson's confidence is very low, and his football iq/processor were never good.

 

[rcaido]

Meanwhile Wilson is out playing Burrow and Herbert who are also 0-2. Who just sign bigger contract than Wilson.

Wilson has the same amount TD(3rd best) then those two combine. Higher passer rating(4th highest). Higher completion percentage. Has more yards rushing. Broncos has a combine loss of just 3 points.

Wilson definitely has slow down. Majority of the sacks, he would have gain some yards in the past. Second half was really bad for him. Once the line couldn't protect him, he started to get happy feet. It was odd that Perine only got 1 carry. You have such a high lead you would think you would run more or do those check down passes like last week. The run game has not been strong at all or hasn't been utilize yet.

Sean Payton needs to be criticize too. Going for the onside kick and chose his former kicker over McManus cost them the game last week.

Offensively Broncos Passing are ranked pretty good in quite a few categories
3rd in TDs, 9th in Turnovers, 10th First downs, 12th in Yards, 3rd in Net yards per drive and 5th in points per drive.

Defensively they have been bad
23rd points allowed, 24th force turnovers, 27th in giving up first downs, 21st passing yards, 24th in TD passes, 30th in time of possession

Denver is also leading the league in penalties.

Wilson is not the main problem Denver has lost the two games. The Denver defense is surprisingly bad.

 

[Scout]

It is too early to say but you have to dig deeper than looking at rankings as football is a team game.

In the first game the Broncos defense surrendered 10 points against the Raiders in the first half. Broncos dating to last season had no problem putting up points in the first half of games. Against the Raiders they put up 13 points in the first half. But like last season the Broncos scored 0 points in the third quarter of the game against the Raiders and only 3 points in the 4th quarter. The Broncos defense held the Raiders to 17 total points in the game.

In the second game the Broncos defense held the Commanders to 14 points in the first half. The Broncos had 21 points in the first half but the wheels fell off for the Broncos in the second half. The Broncos put up only 3 points in the third quarter while the Commanders only scored 7. So the Broncos still had a lead but it was narrowed. But then the Broncos defense collapsed in the 4th quarter and the Broncos offense couldn't make up ground.

Time of possession in favor of Commanders: 33:45 to Broncos 26:15.

Broncos defense just was worn out by the 4th quarter. IMO

 

[Maulbert]

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You bitter that he made you his bitch?

 

[toffee]

It is too early to say but you have to dig deeper than looking at rankings as football is a team game.

In the first game the Broncos defense surrendered 10 points against the Raiders in the first half. Broncos dating to last season had no problem putting up points in the first half of games. Against the Raiders they put up 13 points in the first half. But like last season the Broncos scored 0 points in the third quarter of the game against the Raiders and only 3 points in the 4th quarter. The Broncos defense held the Raiders to 17 total points in the game.

In the second game the Broncos defense held the Commanders to 14 points in the first half. The Broncos had 21 points in the first half but the wheels fell off for the Broncos in the second half. The Broncos put up only 3 points in the third quarter while the Commanders only scored 7. So the Broncos still had a lead but it was narrowed. But then the Broncos defense collapsed in the 4th quarter and the Broncos offense couldn't make up ground.

Time of possession in favor of Commanders: 33:45 to Broncos 26:15.

Broncos defense just was worn out by the 4th quarter. IMO

when we had problem scoring in the 3rd, 12s narrowed it down to Pete's failure to make halftime adjustments. Broncos are having the same problem despite having a offensive genius as HC.

 

[strohmin]

Meanwhile Wilson is out playing Burrow and Herbert who are also 0-2. Who just sign bigger contract than Wilson.

Wilson has the same amount TD(3rd best) then those two combine. Higher passer rating(4th highest). Higher completion percentage. Has more yards rushing. Broncos has a combine loss of just 3 points.

Wilson definitely has slow down. Majority of the sacks, he would have gain some yards in the past. Second half was really bad for him. Once the line couldn't protect him, he started to get happy feet. It was odd that Perine only got 1 carry. You have such a high lead you would think you would run more or do those check down passes like last week. The run game has not been strong at all or hasn't been utilize yet.

Sean Payton needs to be criticize too. Going for the onside kick and chose his former kicker over McManus cost them the game last week.

Offensively Broncos Passing are ranked pretty good in quite a few categories
3rd in TDs, 9th in Turnovers, 10th First downs, 12th in Yards, 3rd in Net yards per drive and 5th in points per drive.

Defensively they have been bad
23rd points allowed, 24th force turnovers, 27th in giving up first downs, 21st passing yards, 24th in TD passes, 30th in time of possession

Denver is also leading the league in penalties.

Wilson is not the main problem Denver has lost the two games. The Denver defense is surprisingly bad.

Those guys are still kinda new with possible upside. They also dont speak as if they are already great and bring alot of outside nonsense to the team. They dont go around preaching how great they are going to be after a loss. I would 100% still rather have them as a qb vs Russell. Russell may not be the main problem but I have a feeling Sean Payton is looking to get rid of him so he can work with a QB that fits his style and is an actual leader vs a fake wanna be leader. Drew Brees's pregame huddle were actually very inspirational. I don't think Russell could ever pull off that kind of motivational huddle.

 

[GemCity]

The strongest part of RWs game is the most suspect to fade as the years pass.

His field vision isn’t all that great. He isn’t a pure pocket passer (height certainly affects that).

He was magical with Seattle. Rolling out…holding the ball way too long but had the legs to evade and get rid of it.

Very different that signing an aging TB or Aaron Rodgers.

Maybe a hard lesson learned…

 

[keasley45]

Meanwhile Wilson is out playing Burrow and Herbert who are also 0-2. Who just sign bigger contract than Wilson.

Wilson has the same amount TD(3rd best) then those two combine. Higher passer rating(4th highest). Higher completion percentage. Has more yards rushing. Broncos has a combine loss of just 3 points.

Wilson definitely has slow down. Majority of the sacks, he would have gain some yards in the past. Second half was really bad for him. Once the line couldn't protect him, he started to get happy feet. It was odd that Perine only got 1 carry. You have such a high lead you would think you would run more or do those check down passes like last week. The run game has not been strong at all or hasn't been utilize yet.

Sean Payton needs to be criticize too. Going for the onside kick and chose his former kicker over McManus cost them the game last week.

Offensively Broncos Passing are ranked pretty good in quite a few categories
3rd in TDs, 9th in Turnovers, 10th First downs, 12th in Yards, 3rd in Net yards per drive and 5th in points per drive.

Defensively they have been bad
23rd points allowed, 24th force turnovers, 27th in giving up first downs, 21st passing yards, 24th in TD passes, 30th in time of possession

Denver is also leading the league in penalties.

Wilson is not the main problem Denver has lost the two games. The Denver defense is surprisingly bad.

And this is the problem with stats, isnt it?

Ive said this multiple times with Russ... that he can have horrible, win killing games, and have stats that make him look like he's a superstar.

QBR doesnt measure how often he missed a wr who could have picked up a first down. QBR doesnt know if the sack he took (he took 7 Sunday) should have been an easy completion. QBR doesnt measure his 3rd down efficiency.

All of those things contribute as much if not more to a team and QBs success than the stats QBR does consider.

Russ was the reason his team couldnt sustain drives in week 1, and was responsible for their failed drives between q1 and q4. It matters less if he throws for a high completion percentage if those completions arent consistently moving the chains, or if he took a sack rather than throwing a pass that should have been made.

Russ has made a career of playing 'efficiently', but not effectively in sustaining drives, and then running around and making a splash play or relying on the advantage PA provides to hit a big play.

I guarantee you that if someone had the time to extract from his stats his efficiency outside of scramble drill plays or PA bombs and focus on 3rd down efficiency on known passing downs, success rate on 3rd down passing (not running), and his ability to move the team through the air against coverage packages that force him to throw short or intermediate, his rating would be at BEST, average.

I did this after 2021 for 3rd downs and the results were telling 0 and the analysis went back several years for those claiming that he's simply broken now. He was never good at doing this, even at the pinnacle of his powers. It was also obvious after the 2021 season when his fans were holding up his top 5 yards, tds and rating and proclaiming him to be the savior and not the problem for a team that was below .500 but putting up points. But similar to Denver this year and last, but especially now given his seemingly solid stats, the guy cannot sustain drives when the burden is on his shoulders. He cant process fast enough nor diagnose coverages effectively enough to see success when its required in exploiting routes across the entire field. And as a result, like in 2021 and this year, his teams are crushed in TOP and lead the league (worst) in average drive duration, and average number of plays per drive. They cant stay on the field.

And when your D is gassed, you literally HAVE to keep scoring if everytime you score on drives that go 80 yards in 5 plays and only take 1:45 off the clock. Its simple human physiology. The fatigue the defense feels is divorced from whether theyre on the field because the offense scored in 60 seconds or punted on a 3 and out. Theyre somply back on the field. And when the O CANT score and/or give them a breather on a 5 minute drive that might not even yeild points, you can be up by 28 and your lead isnt safe. You cant give the ball to th eopposing team for 34 minutes and expect to win. You cant go 3 and out on the majority of your drives and expect to win. And you cant turn the ball over on a fumble and then again on an int and expect to win.

Russ did all of that, and yet his stat sheet looks awesome! Lets Ride ... stright to a high 3rd round pick.

Hoping he keeps on doing EXACTLY what hes always done.

 

[bileever]

Not sure what to make of Wilson's play this year. He's looked better, but the results are the same. The two games were very different. Against the Raiders, he only threw for 177 yards, but completed 27 out of 34, which is almost 80 percent. Against the Commanders, he threw for 308 yards but only completed 18 or 32, which isn't very good (56%). As someone pointed out, if you take out the hail mary and the 60 yarder, it was about the same number of yards as last week.

Things could improve, but if they don't, it's looking like last year wasn't an aberration.

 

[keasley45]

Meanwhile Wilson is out playing Burrow and Herbert who are also 0-2. Who just sign bigger contract than Wilson.

Wilson has the same amount TD(3rd best) then those two combine. Higher passer rating(4th highest). Higher completion percentage. Has more yards rushing. Broncos has a combine loss of just 3 points.

Wilson definitely has slow down. Majority of the sacks, he would have gain some yards in the past. Second half was really bad for him. Once the line couldn't protect him, he started to get happy feet. It was odd that Perine only got 1 carry. You have such a high lead you would think you would run more or do those check down passes like last week. The run game has not been strong at all or hasn't been utilize yet.

Sean Payton needs to be criticize too. Going for the onside kick and chose his former kicker over McManus cost them the game last week.

Offensively Broncos Passing are ranked pretty good in quite a few categories
3rd in TDs, 9th in Turnovers, 10th First downs, 12th in Yards, 3rd in Net yards per drive and 5th in points per drive.

Defensively they have been bad
23rd points allowed, 24th force turnovers, 27th in giving up first downs, 21st passing yards, 24th in TD passes, 30th in time of possession

Denver is also leading the league in penalties.

Wilson is not the main problem Denver has lost the two games. The Denver defense is surprisingly bad.

And Denver is 4th worst in punts per offensive snap and 5th worst in punts per score. They were also 23rd in 3rd down conversion last week. And they gave up TOP by 8 minutes.

To say that the offense and Russ, their $250 million dollar savior, isnt the major problem is ridiculous. That, and the dude's coach comes out and says his qb needs to be better and do simple things like get out of the huddle and to the line faster... like in Seattle, Russ hands the defense a HUGE advantage when on most downs, he has to rush to get the snap before the play clock expires. The D doesnt have to guess the snap count, theyre just looking at the play clock and timing their jump to beat 00. Its literally a free pass to rush the bejeezus out of the QB.

***(Conspiracy theory - i think he's intentionally slow getting to the line because he legit doesnt know what calls to make and sees it as a wash if both he and the D have no time to make adjustements. If he gets to the line with 15 seconds on the clock and still shows he cant make basic adjustments, then his deficiency will be THAT more obvious). Its inexplicable that a QB with 11 years of experience actually DOESNT want to get to the line quickly to play the chess match that would give him an advantage in shifting, audibling, etc. Its where Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Mahomes... virtually ALL the greats make their hay. Its how and when they manipulate the D to hit the open guy or motion a guy open. But its not an advantage if you cant do it. It actually hands the D the advantage if you CANT do it and they can see whats soming and communicate it for 10 seconds.

But again, his fans say things like ... his line didnt protect him.

So glad the dude is no longer our problem.

Meanwhile, Geno goes 30 for 41 for almost 330, 2 TDs and no picks and folks around here want to tear him down everytime he makes a mistake.

 

[keasley45]

Not sure what to make of Wilson's play this year. He's looked better, but the results are the same. The two games were very different. Against the Raiders, he only threw for 177 yards, but completed 27 out of 34, which is almost 80 percent. Against the Commanders, he threw for 308 yards but only completed 18 or 32, which isn't very good (56%). As someone pointed out, if you take out the hail mary and the 60 yarder, it was about the same number of yards as last week.

Things could improve, but if they don't, it's looking like last year wasn't an aberration.

Like when he was here, defenses give Russ a simple read to make and sit back daring him to challenge them with anything else. He checked down the entire game week one. Some of this was because i think Payton wants to get him used to not just bombing everything. But Russ doesnt have the nuance handle of the game to be able to move deftly between passing strategies. He plays one way. he's not a master tactician at the spot. Hes creative, but his creativity is known and save for when teams get beat deep... he's solved.

 

[bileever]

Like when he was here, defenses give Russ a simple read to make and sit back daring him to challenge them with anything else. He checked down the entire game week one. Some of this was because i think Payton wants to get him used to not just bombing everything. But Russ doesnt have the nuance handle of the game to be able to move deftly between passing strategies. He plays one way. he's not a master tactician at the spot. Hes creative, but his creativity is known and save for when teams get beat deep... he's solved.

Yes, week one, it was like he was trying to prove to Payton that he could diagnose the defense by checking it down. I'm sure that the film review showed that many of the checkdowns were mistakes, so he came back in week two, and started bombing again.

 

[Scout]

The problem is that RW was responsible for two turnovers and the Broncos defense isn't elite anymore.

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/broncos-player-grades-commanders-week-2#:~:text=The%20Washington%20Commanders%20were%20baiting%20him%20to%20escape,didn%27t%20fumble%2C%20it%20was%20a%20loss%20of%20yards.

Quarterback: Russell Wilson​

Grade: 48.7

The timing and placement from Wilson on throws under 10 yards continue to leave yards on the field. The worst came on a third down that he completed for seven yards when they needed nine. His pass was late and behind the receiver, who ran a route that needed precise timing from the quarterback. Both of his turnovers were terrible plays by him, but he had some great passes, including both deep shots to Mims that were practically perfect

The Washington Commanders were baiting him to escape left and spying on him with their weakside linebacker, who forced the fumble. Missed facemask or not, Wilson tries to outrace the defender instead of throwing it away and accepting the 3rd-and-15. Even if he didn't fumble, it was a loss of yards. His interception seemed to be him not knowing the play and throwing to the wrong spot on his first target to Sutton.

I watched the game and Wilson took a lot of sacks that should not have happened in the 2nd half of the game. Throw in stalled drives and it was apparent the Broncos defense was gassed. And the Commanders just pounded away knowing the Broncos offense couldn't sustain drives. Expect to see the Dolphins use the same formula as well because they are capable of taking everything underneath to drain the clock. Or just go with a quick passing attack to build up a huge lead which puts pressure on the Broncos and SP to abandon the run which makes the Broncos O one dimensional against a very physical Dolphins front seven.

 

[toffee]

Yes, week one, it was like he was trying to prove to Payton that he could diagnose the defense by checking it down. I'm sure that the film review showed that many of the checkdowns were mistakes, so he came back in week two, and started bombing again.

Wilson being Wilson?

 

[sc85sis]

I remember after Russ was drafted, Charlie Casserly said something to the effect that Russell was a limited quarterback. Many of us took umbrage with that comment. I don’t think much of Mr. Casserly, but in retrospect I’m wondering if he actually was right.

 

[Ruminator]

I remember after Russ was drafted, Charlie Casserly said something to the effect that Russell was a limited quarterback. Many of us took umbrage with that comment. I don’t think much of Mr. Casserly, but in retrospect I’m wondering if he actually was right.

Wow, there's actally no "un" in front of that word! Could it really be?