BRADY/PATS PUNISHMENT OVER TURNED BY JUDGE. (Updated 9/3/15)
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Sports Hernia
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Tell me this, why is the NFL going to suspend your golden boy if he did NOTHING WRONG???????NWPatsFan":3smp8wov said:
He cheated his ass off and you know it.
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Ahh, the origin of the madness. Sorry I'm late to the party but as I said a while ago last year will be the last time you see your beloved team in the Superbowl for a long time.
Taawwmy is going down and it won't be pretty like a certain supermodel.
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Taawwmy is going down and it won't be pretty like a certain supermodel.
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Sports Hernia
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If they insist on parading around like fools, I think it's our duty to point and laugh at them. 8)Laloosh":ycb8ll0s said:
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To NWpats fan....
When looking at the entire report, in general it seems Patriots fans find the most complicated explanation for everything that came up. I could understand it with one incident. But when its over 200 pages, eventually it paints a picture. Its ridiculous to think that each one has a very complicated explanation. And as each explanation is needed its a little less likely that the complicated situation is true... See below. I hope this helps you see that it would take a tremendous amount of coincidences:
My questions... Why Did Brady say he didn't know McNally? Who has been an Employee of the Patriots for 32 years... Yes 32 years.. Who also told the officials before the game that Brady himself told him he wanted the balls at 12.5 PSI? Please explain...
Why had their been previous complaints about under inflated balls in regards to the Patriots; and how did it become a coincidence that this game just happened to have under inflated balls as well.
Why did McNally take the balls without Permission, authorization, and without escorts?
Why did McNally not use the bathroom in the locker room?
Why did he take the balls into the bathroom with him?
Why did he lie and say he went straight to the field and then changed his story after being caught to using the urinal, in which a urinal didn't exist?
Why did the guy call himself the deflator? Why did he talk about cash and deflating balls in the same texts?
What was this message in regards to? "Chill buddy im just *edited* with you ....im not going to espn........yet"
If the Patriots balls were all at 12.5 at the start of the game, in the same officials locker room as the Colts balls (Who were at 12.9-13.1 why did the Patriots Balls drop from 12.5 below 11 (a Whole 1.5+ PSI drop compared to the Colts balls dropped 0.5-0.9 psi or less? Why wasn't the drop in PSI equal? Why did the pats balls lose a whole extra PSI?
Here is a quote to the above question from the report: According to our scientific consultants, however, the reduction in pressure of the Patriots game balls cannot be explained completely by basic scientific principles, such as the Ideal Gas Law, based on the circumstances and conditions likely to have been present on the day of the AFC Championship Game. In addition, the average pressure drop of the Patriots game balls exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by
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0.45 to 1.02 psi, depending on various possible assumptions regarding the gauges used, and assuming an initial pressure of 12.5 psi for the Patriots balls and 13.0 psi for the Colts balls.
Why couldn't they resimulate the drop in air pressure of the Patriots balls in any scenario done in testing?
Why woudlnt Brady Cooperate or turn over his relevant cell phone records?
Did I mention thats only questions from the first 15 pages of the Wells report... Still over 200 more to go. I left some questions out... The texts inbetween those pages are very damming. Im sure all of that is just coincidence?
When looking at the entire report, in general it seems Patriots fans find the most complicated explanation for everything that came up. I could understand it with one incident. But when its over 200 pages, eventually it paints a picture. Its ridiculous to think that each one has a very complicated explanation. And as each explanation is needed its a little less likely that the complicated situation is true... See below. I hope this helps you see that it would take a tremendous amount of coincidences:
My questions... Why Did Brady say he didn't know McNally? Who has been an Employee of the Patriots for 32 years... Yes 32 years.. Who also told the officials before the game that Brady himself told him he wanted the balls at 12.5 PSI? Please explain...
Why had their been previous complaints about under inflated balls in regards to the Patriots; and how did it become a coincidence that this game just happened to have under inflated balls as well.
Why did McNally take the balls without Permission, authorization, and without escorts?
Why did McNally not use the bathroom in the locker room?
Why did he take the balls into the bathroom with him?
Why did he lie and say he went straight to the field and then changed his story after being caught to using the urinal, in which a urinal didn't exist?
Why did the guy call himself the deflator? Why did he talk about cash and deflating balls in the same texts?
What was this message in regards to? "Chill buddy im just *edited* with you ....im not going to espn........yet"
If the Patriots balls were all at 12.5 at the start of the game, in the same officials locker room as the Colts balls (Who were at 12.9-13.1 why did the Patriots Balls drop from 12.5 below 11 (a Whole 1.5+ PSI drop compared to the Colts balls dropped 0.5-0.9 psi or less? Why wasn't the drop in PSI equal? Why did the pats balls lose a whole extra PSI?
Here is a quote to the above question from the report: According to our scientific consultants, however, the reduction in pressure of the Patriots game balls cannot be explained completely by basic scientific principles, such as the Ideal Gas Law, based on the circumstances and conditions likely to have been present on the day of the AFC Championship Game. In addition, the average pressure drop of the Patriots game balls exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by
9
0.45 to 1.02 psi, depending on various possible assumptions regarding the gauges used, and assuming an initial pressure of 12.5 psi for the Patriots balls and 13.0 psi for the Colts balls.
Why couldn't they resimulate the drop in air pressure of the Patriots balls in any scenario done in testing?
Why woudlnt Brady Cooperate or turn over his relevant cell phone records?
Did I mention thats only questions from the first 15 pages of the Wells report... Still over 200 more to go. I left some questions out... The texts inbetween those pages are very damming. Im sure all of that is just coincidence?
ringless":157mi1ga said:
1st questiuon:
They asked Bruschi about McNally and he was like "who?"...they showed him a picture and he said..."Oh, you mean Bird". Evidently this guy goes by a nickname, which is not mentioned in the report. Makes one question the report.
As you say 32 years...that is a lot of games that he has taken the balls to the field, since he didn't do anything wrong why would he remember an innocent trip to the bathroom that took all of about two minutes. Remember the Seahawks/GB game went into OT and he may have been waiting around longer than expected in the tunnel.
2nd question:
Why do people complain about the Patriots having deflated balls is because they usually cannot beat them on the field so they need an excuse. The Colts complained about it from the Nov. game in Indy. The Colts have possesion of game balls in Indy. So did the Patriots deflate balls in front of 60,000 people? If so, the NFL had 100+ days to find that footage. Where is the evidence. Also, you say the balls were under inflated...that is a lie. What happened is the balls lost pressure due to atmospheric conditions.
3rd question:
If he wasn't doing something correctly, that was so out of the ordinary, why didn't the referee stop him or go look for him? My guess is that it was not a big deal because no one had ever cried like a girl over PSI in a ball before. If the NFL, which was aware of the Colts concerns had made everyone aware of situation maybe the refs would have tightened things up a bit. This was such a non issue that the NFL didn't even change protocol.
4th and 5th question:
Ansewred above NFC game went OT. and he may have been under pressure and misspoke, who knows. They interviewed the guy 4 times, I am sure it wasn't fun and quite stressful.
5th question:
It is not uncommon for sports stars to give team employee gifts, this is usually thought of as a nice gesture. For this report to twist it into a bribe/hush money/extortion is ludicrous. The texts are taken out of context and very explainable. Texts are by nature a shorthand way to communicate and often times humorous. The "deflator" quote is from May (i.e. OTA's) they were probably joking around about how much of a perfectionist Brady is and that if the balls were not a certain way (12.5 psi...which is within the legal level) he would freak out.
More in a minute...
Your Qusestion:What was this message in regards to? "Chill buddy im just *edited* with you ....im not going to espn........yet"
MY ANSWER: Who knows? Did they ask McNally and put his explanation in the report? HMMM? They seemed to do that a lot. They never believe anything the Patriots say unless it fits their own narrative.
If the Patriots balls were all at 12.5 at the start of the game, in the same officials locker room as the Colts balls (Who were at 12.9-13.1 why did the Patriots Balls drop from 12.5 below 11 (a Whole 1.5+ PSI drop compared to the Colts balls dropped 0.5-0.9 psi or less? Why wasn't the drop in PSI equal? Why did the pats balls lose a whole extra PSI?
My Answer: We did not get an account of how the Colts balls were handled pre-game, which is ludicrous because this is the whole reason for basing the Patriots guilt. If they had looked into the matter we may have the answer. Here is my guess....since you asked. The Colts were the away team and traveled on a bus to the game from a hotel. The balls were stored in an unheated compartment on the bus and were not at the same internal temperature as the Patriots balls (home team...in locker room all week). Therefore, the pressure drop would not have been as great because the difference in temperature inside the ball and outside the ball wasn't as extreme.
Here is a quote to the above question from the report: According to our scientific consultants, however, the reduction in pressure of the Patriots game balls cannot be explained completely by basic scientific principles, such as the Ideal Gas Law, based on the circumstances and conditions likely to have been present on the day of the AFC Championship Game. In addition, the average pressure drop of the Patriots game balls exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by
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0.45 to 1.02 psi, depending on various possible assumptions regarding the gauges used, and assuming an initial pressure of 12.5 psi for the Patriots balls and 13.0 psi for the Colts balls.
My Answer: This is the BIG one. Did you notice they didn't state what the difference in the "actual" readings were and the lab experiments were. Because it is such a small amount and it is only in a few of the balls...the unaccounted for PSI that all this drama is about is between .2 and .3 PSI. This is the same amount that a ball can lose while testing for pressure. Why wasn't that i the report?
MY ANSWER: Who knows? Did they ask McNally and put his explanation in the report? HMMM? They seemed to do that a lot. They never believe anything the Patriots say unless it fits their own narrative.
If the Patriots balls were all at 12.5 at the start of the game, in the same officials locker room as the Colts balls (Who were at 12.9-13.1 why did the Patriots Balls drop from 12.5 below 11 (a Whole 1.5+ PSI drop compared to the Colts balls dropped 0.5-0.9 psi or less? Why wasn't the drop in PSI equal? Why did the pats balls lose a whole extra PSI?
My Answer: We did not get an account of how the Colts balls were handled pre-game, which is ludicrous because this is the whole reason for basing the Patriots guilt. If they had looked into the matter we may have the answer. Here is my guess....since you asked. The Colts were the away team and traveled on a bus to the game from a hotel. The balls were stored in an unheated compartment on the bus and were not at the same internal temperature as the Patriots balls (home team...in locker room all week). Therefore, the pressure drop would not have been as great because the difference in temperature inside the ball and outside the ball wasn't as extreme.
Here is a quote to the above question from the report: According to our scientific consultants, however, the reduction in pressure of the Patriots game balls cannot be explained completely by basic scientific principles, such as the Ideal Gas Law, based on the circumstances and conditions likely to have been present on the day of the AFC Championship Game. In addition, the average pressure drop of the Patriots game balls exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by
9
0.45 to 1.02 psi, depending on various possible assumptions regarding the gauges used, and assuming an initial pressure of 12.5 psi for the Patriots balls and 13.0 psi for the Colts balls.
My Answer: This is the BIG one. Did you notice they didn't state what the difference in the "actual" readings were and the lab experiments were. Because it is such a small amount and it is only in a few of the balls...the unaccounted for PSI that all this drama is about is between .2 and .3 PSI. This is the same amount that a ball can lose while testing for pressure. Why wasn't that i the report?
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I have to admit, the hubris of a Pats fan, desperately trying to convince the rest of us that his team, which has been known to cheat at an institutional level, didn't cheat, despite a mountain of circumstantial evidence to the contrary, is humorous and rather enjoyable to witness. I can literally taste his seething anger as he so fervently defends the honor of Brady, the quarterback whose only comparison would have been the revered Joe Montana, if only his wee hands didn't require the equipment managers to remove a pound and a half of air from the ball, enabling his admittedly average mitts to grip it properly.
Brady is forever going to have an asterisk next to his name. When people remember the great QBs of this era, the fact he cheated will continue to be a point of debate. His greatness will never be indisputed. It's hilarious and I love it.
Brady is forever going to have an asterisk next to his name. When people remember the great QBs of this era, the fact he cheated will continue to be a point of debate. His greatness will never be indisputed. It's hilarious and I love it.
SmokinHawk":13t5q45u said:
Obviously you are unable to debate the points I raise about the report. Instead you decide to belittle a fellow human being because of your obvious jealousy of what the Patriots have accomplished. It is your right to act this way towards someone, but...I'm just sayin' maybe a real debate might allow you to see that the real problem is the league office. How many things have they screwed up recently...(Gold cleats could get you suspended? Ray Rice investigation, BountyGate, Dolphins/Martin investigation, Tampering by the Jets,...the list goes on). So why all of a sudden do people think that the league has figured out how to operate? Oh yeah, because it is the Patriots and the report summary says what folks want it to say. Human nature I guess.
I am not bothered that you get joy from this, I probably would enjoy it if Peyton was accused of this too. However, I would also be willing to look at the facts and realize that it is a stupid (the whole thing) but enjoy it nonetheless.
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You failed to answer my question. So we will try again.......NWPatsFan":t175ec5d said:
If Brady didn't do anything wrong, why is the NFL going to suspend him?
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You failed to answer my question. So we will try again.......
If Brady didn't do anything wrong, why is the NFL going to suspend him?[/quote]
That is a good question. My opinion is that the league is trying to cover up their incompetence. Remember, the league office leaked a story to Mort that said 11 of 12 balls were 2 PSI under inflated (or some nonsense like that). The Indy writer had some league sourced info that was also along those lines. This was before the Patriots were even made aware of the issue. They also conducted a sting to try and catch the Pats and are embarrassed by their utter incompetence. The main man in charge of the sting was Mike Kensil (he has a history of hating the Patriots, he worked for the Jets when BB went to the Patriots), this is a cover up to save his butt from being exposed. The lack of protocol by NFL officials is embarrassing also the list goes on.
If you really want answers to your question visit this thread at Patsfans.com:"Talk with Judge - Labor lawyer who deals with Unions every day" and other threads. There is definitely a bias on the site (just like all fan sites), but it will give you a different viewpoint and if you are the least bit open-minded on this issue you should be able to see where Pats fans are coming from.
You failed to answer my question. So we will try again.......
If Brady didn't do anything wrong, why is the NFL going to suspend him?[/quote]
That is a good question. My opinion is that the league is trying to cover up their incompetence. Remember, the league office leaked a story to Mort that said 11 of 12 balls were 2 PSI under inflated (or some nonsense like that). The Indy writer had some league sourced info that was also along those lines. This was before the Patriots were even made aware of the issue. They also conducted a sting to try and catch the Pats and are embarrassed by their utter incompetence. The main man in charge of the sting was Mike Kensil (he has a history of hating the Patriots, he worked for the Jets when BB went to the Patriots), this is a cover up to save his butt from being exposed. The lack of protocol by NFL officials is embarrassing also the list goes on.
If you really want answers to your question visit this thread at Patsfans.com:"Talk with Judge - Labor lawyer who deals with Unions every day" and other threads. There is definitely a bias on the site (just like all fan sites), but it will give you a different viewpoint and if you are the least bit open-minded on this issue you should be able to see where Pats fans are coming from.
The last thing that the NFL needs is another scandal/ black eye.
If they thought they could sweep this under the rug, THEY WOULD.
ANYBODY that thinks the NFL is framing TB/patriots is delusional.
If the NFL could dismiss ANY of the "findings", they would, and still may.
The 2nd worst part of all this is, the teams that may have lost games due to being cheated. No telling how many games may have been effected over an unknown period of time.
The worst part about it is, that Tom Brady may still get into the HOF and thousands of young people will learn that CHEATERS do prosper.
So sad.
If they thought they could sweep this under the rug, THEY WOULD.
ANYBODY that thinks the NFL is framing TB/patriots is delusional.
If the NFL could dismiss ANY of the "findings", they would, and still may.
The 2nd worst part of all this is, the teams that may have lost games due to being cheated. No telling how many games may have been effected over an unknown period of time.
The worst part about it is, that Tom Brady may still get into the HOF and thousands of young people will learn that CHEATERS do prosper.
So sad.
FlyHawksFly":2gnt8qpx said:
Is that true of all teams that "cheat" or just the elite teams. Because people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". Name one NFL franchise that has never broken the rules. It is not possible.
It is okay to be jealous of NE. I get it, I hate elite teams...The Canadiens-NHL- (I call them divers all the time, it is irrational, but it makes me feel better after they beat the Bruins most times). Used to be that way for me about the Yankees (three World Series kinda got me over that one). Lakers, hated them with a passion when I cared about the NBA in the 80's.
Anyway...just my thoughts.
pmedic920":11ik474m said:
This is delusional....How many games would the Pats lose if .3 PSI was in the ball..... Nobody would even notice a difference.
Did you even read the report? There is a lot of misinformation going around.
No one really wants to debate this. I have put forth lots of opinions as to why I see things the way I do and no one can dispute them with logic. All the comebacks are not even addressing my points. It is laughable. Oh well, these things happen on other team sites.
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Sooooo, to sum it up...... In your opinion, the league offices are just jealous haters and just decided to pick on Brady and the pats for poops and giggles??????NWPatsFan":6z2e3o4i said:
Wow, what a whopper of a fairy tale you believe in. Denial is not just a river in Egypt anymore........
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NWPatsFan":pcxdlv5p said:
Why is it so hard for you to be impartial? It's like Teddy Bruschi, don't you guys care that when you defend someone like Brady that got caught lying all that does is ruin your credibility?
All it takes is reading the texts from the equipment guys to know Brady asked them to deflate balls. End of investigation, punishment forthcoming. No running around the "he was framed" track, or getting into convoluted debates over psi.
We're all for having discussions here, but if you're not going to be fair and equal with your opinions, why try? Absolutely no one gives you one iota of legitimacy because you're just another Pats honk. Be better than that.
I guess the point I am making is that it does take a tremendous amount of coincidences. Especially since J called himself the deflator prior to the season. I know the Jets game likes to be pointed out, and nobody knows the circumstances of all that. But it also could be a home thing the Patriots do since J also said it was a common practice for him to take the balls into that restroom at the tunnel which again is suspicious. There are obviously more questions raised, but I feel at some point the incidents and jokes stop becoming coincidence and as a whole suggest to there being more to the story.
Do I think Tom thought it was a big deal? Probably not, and the league has some responsibility in this as well. J claims he often took the balls without permission and often entered the bathroom which means the officials were pretty lax about the procedure I would have to assume. Much like a chain of custody in a police investigation, they allowed it to be violated repeatedly. When given the opportunity to get away with something its not uncommon for people to seize the opportunity. In addition, the league never should have allowed Brady and Peyton's proposed rule change in 2006 to take place but obviously hindsight is 20/20 and even that change raises questions when looking at graphs. However I'll admit the evidence can't be gathered for that long, and there is only data available with a lot of variables even though it appears to be one way I'll admit that it can't be proven...
I understand why you don't want to think Brady is guilty. Just like I would never consider Larry Fitzgerald doing anything like that. I know how upset I would be, and that I would most likely deny it as well since he was on my team. Its kind of like how we as people over value our assets, and minimize our defects and I think we do the same thing with our teams and thats the same thing Pats fans are doing right now on a more subconscious level.
At the very least the evidence suggested should at least plant a seed of doubt? And if it doesn't there is no way you are looking at it with an open mind.... I just feel even you would have to have some doubts if you took away the team name and player name and what that represented to you.... Then you would also convict him.
Do I think Tom thought it was a big deal? Probably not, and the league has some responsibility in this as well. J claims he often took the balls without permission and often entered the bathroom which means the officials were pretty lax about the procedure I would have to assume. Much like a chain of custody in a police investigation, they allowed it to be violated repeatedly. When given the opportunity to get away with something its not uncommon for people to seize the opportunity. In addition, the league never should have allowed Brady and Peyton's proposed rule change in 2006 to take place but obviously hindsight is 20/20 and even that change raises questions when looking at graphs. However I'll admit the evidence can't be gathered for that long, and there is only data available with a lot of variables even though it appears to be one way I'll admit that it can't be proven...
I understand why you don't want to think Brady is guilty. Just like I would never consider Larry Fitzgerald doing anything like that. I know how upset I would be, and that I would most likely deny it as well since he was on my team. Its kind of like how we as people over value our assets, and minimize our defects and I think we do the same thing with our teams and thats the same thing Pats fans are doing right now on a more subconscious level.
At the very least the evidence suggested should at least plant a seed of doubt? And if it doesn't there is no way you are looking at it with an open mind.... I just feel even you would have to have some doubts if you took away the team name and player name and what that represented to you.... Then you would also convict him.
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