Bob Griffen, has to be said, ROTY implications

[Twisted]

we all know at this point it was a BAD idea to have Griffen play in the wildcard game as I have been saying all along..

but most are still saying it for all the wrong reasons, ie;

lets say RG at full strength 100% and cuzins at full strength 100% cuz, cuz is 85% the player RG is.. OK

then we have an injured RG and his injuries leave him with all around partial disabilities meaning his injury effects him at all facets of the game, running, passing and overall maneuvering, he is now 60% the player he is when he is 100%..

having said that what was the idea behind putting in Griffin who is playing at 60-70%?

WHEN a 100% cuzins is going to play 20% better than RG?

if you ask me its very bad coaching, doctoring, agenting and very poor decision making by RG himself

why am I pointing this out you ask?

well if you saw RGs post game interview you would have heard RG say it was HIS decision and that HE is the quarterback of this team

which leads me to believe it was griffins idea to play which means griffen was thinking only of himself and not the rest of the team and the team clearly suffered, CEARLY

whats my point you ask?

all of this brings me to the ROTY, I keep hearing all the pundants and mediots saying how mature griffen is as a player, how rounded he is.. and how good his decision making is, welp, he most likely made the worst decision of his career by not only deciding to play but convincing others he could pull it off?

I think they need to do a re-evaluation of RG in his decision to play, (most likely against the docs recommendations and his coaches) was not a very mature thing to do, in fact it was very immature so not only is he not ready for the NFL his ability to asses not only his own performance and abilities but what he lends to the team is way off..

in other words his head is too big for his britches and he thinks he is a better player than he really is and that can hurt a team and a player.

the biggest reason is it eliminates his room to grow as a player, if he thinks he already knows it all then he wont think he has anything to learn, so he wont and we all witnesses that idea manifest itself...

Griffen is NOT! ROTY material. period

Andrew Luck is just not the player..

it has to go to Wilson or someone else...

sorry Griffen this isn't anything personal, its just an honest observation, I hope you learned a lot from this experience..

 

[JSeahawks]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

Btw, if you think Russell Wilson wouldnt be trying to play if he was in the same situation you're crazy.

 

[Twisted]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

meh that can be taken back right?

haha, maybe thats why Griffen boned out?

 

[Twisted]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

Btw, if you think Russell Wilson wouldn't be trying to play if he was in the same situation you're crazy.

he might try injured like that but Pete wouldn't allow that, it would be disaster, I highly doubt Wilson would have been back in any play after the initial injury until he was 100% and I also think Wilson would have known he would have been more of a thorn than an asset so he would have gracefully bowed out.. I just get that impression from the guy.

also that move to play griffen was so unprofessional on so many levels its ridiculous, I'd like to think if anything the Seahawks organization is VERY professional..

my guess is this is why we are getting all the finger pointing on RG starting the game, nothing more than subterfuge to divert from the real issue.

 

[JSeahawks]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

Btw, if you think Russell Wilson wouldn't be trying to play if he was in the same situation you're crazy.

he might try injured like that but Pete wouldn't allow that, it would be disaster, I highly doubt Wilson would have been back in any play after the initial injury until he was 100% and I also think Wilson would have known he would have been more of a thorn than an asset so he would have gracefully bowed out.. I just get that impression from the guy.

also that move to play griffen was so unprofessional on so many levels its ridiculous, I'd like to think if anything the Seahawks organization is VERY professional..

my guess is this is why we are getting all the finger pointing on RG starting the game, nothing more than subterfuge to divert from the real issue.

Well I agree with you there. But thats on the organization and the coach, not on the player himself.

 

[scutterhawk]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

Btw, if you think Russell Wilson wouldn't be trying to play if he was in the same situation you're crazy.

he might try injured like that but Pete wouldn't allow that, it would be disaster, I highly doubt Wilson would have been back in any play after the initial injury until he was 100% and I also think Wilson would have known he would have been more of a thorn than an asset so he would have gracefully bowed out.. I just get that impression from the guy.

also that move to play griffen was so unprofessional on so many levels its ridiculous, I'd like to think if anything the Seahawks organization is VERY professional..

my guess is this is why we are getting all the finger pointing on RG starting the game, nothing more than subterfuge to divert from the real issue.

Well I agree with you there. But thats on the organization and the coach, not on the player himself.

Truth.

I really like the kids competitive spirit, but, to chance hurting your star player because HE says he's ok, and ignore the Doctor?

Shannahan is an asshat.

 

[Twisted]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

Btw, if you think Russell Wilson wouldn't be trying to play if he was in the same situation you're crazy.

he might try injured like that but Pete wouldn't allow that, it would be disaster, I highly doubt Wilson would have been back in any play after the initial injury until he was 100% and I also think Wilson would have known he would have been more of a thorn than an asset so he would have gracefully bowed out.. I just get that impression from the guy.

also that move to play griffen was so unprofessional on so many levels its ridiculous, I'd like to think if anything the Seahawks organization is VERY professional..

my guess is this is why we are getting all the finger pointing on RG starting the game, nothing more than subterfuge to divert from the real issue.

Well I agree with you there. But thats on the organization and the coach, not on the player himself.

if you heard griffens post game interview you would know that griffen pretty much said it was his idea to play and that he would have fought the coach if he said no, he also said that "he is the quarterback, if he wasn't he wouldn't have gotten the starting job"

just a self centered attitude, "its all about me"

those types of players don't last long in the NFL, soon enough you have you linemen throwing safeties into you just they can watch you go down, its a team sport, you always have to to whats best for the TEAM and not just for yourself and whats best for YOU

bonehead move, Griffen was talking smack about how being hurt is different than being injured and that he was just hurt..

dood, you have an injury! a bad one, go back and watch the film so you can see how horrible you really played gimping around the feild, if it was just pain they would have given you a shot and that would be that.. 100% cuzins was 150% better than an 80% griffen, he cost them any chance they had at winning that game..

what gets me the most about the guy at this point is he thinks he can shovel on the shart and no ones the wiser... :roll:

sheeez

 

[SouthSoundHawk]

He should give props to Kirk Cousins for getting him one of those wins.

 

[CANHawk]

Yeah, Kirk's legit. I wanted him or Russell in the draft. I still think think we win if they put Kirk in, but they'd at least have gotten across the 50 after the 1st quarter. I was having a deja vu moment of week one when Kolb came in and stole a win when Frankenstein went down. No such good fortune for the deadskins though thank god.

 

[Shock2k]

So if you take Griffin/Luck out, does Alfred Morris become a legit ROY? (Not that he is going to win the AP ROY, or the Pepsi ROY for that matter). Just curious.

 

[amill87]

I gotta say, when i heard RG3's presser today, I was pretty disappointed. His whole line of I'm the starting Qb and I'm the best option just bugged me. He clearly wasn't the same player and couldnt even throw accurately. He wanted to be the hero instead of doing whats best for the team.

Flip it around and we got our rookie qb giving up a personal record for the team. Does anyone think RG3 would've pulled the ball down and ran for the TD if he was in Wilson's situation?

 

[CrimsonWazzu]

So if you take Griffin/Luck out, does Alfred Morris become a legit ROY? (Not that he is going to win the AP ROY, or the Pepsi ROY for that matter). Just curious.

Yep Morris should be #3 behind RW and RG3 but they can't put 2 rookies from the same team in the conversation...splitting votes and all that.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

Btw, if you think Russell Wilson wouldn't be trying to play if he was in the same situation you're crazy.

he might try injured like that but Pete wouldn't allow that, it would be disaster, I highly doubt Wilson would have been back in any play after the initial injury until he was 100% and I also think Wilson would have known he would have been more of a thorn than an asset so he would have gracefully bowed out.. I just get that impression from the guy.

also that move to play griffen was so unprofessional on so many levels its ridiculous, I'd like to think if anything the Seahawks organization is VERY professional..

my guess is this is why we are getting all the finger pointing on RG starting the game, nothing more than subterfuge to divert from the real issue.

While I agree Pete seem to lean away from playing someone injured, we don't have any data on what he'd do if he were confronted with the exact same situation with play-off on the line, etc. I tend to agree with you but we don't know for sure.

One thing for sure is that Pete seems to think getting Sweezy some quality reps is more important than the health of his QB (7 sacks by the Rams and 5 more by the Deadskins). In that sense, I don't think he's making a smart move at all. Russell Wilson can compensate for the poor pass pro to a degree, but when so many blizers are getting through and you're taking that many sacks nobody is Superman.

 

[nwgamer]

I thought i read where the RoY voting wasn't going to be closed until Jan 29.

 

[onanygivensunday]

I thought i read where the RoY voting wasn't going to be closed until Jan 29.

Nope... AP version, the one most recognized, closed last Thursday according to J. Clayton who had a vote.

 

[canfan]

RG III is only 22 I believe. He is young, competitive and has the belief that all superior atheletes should have that he is the best player on the field. That is exactly what he should be thinking, so I'm not disappointed with his presser and I bet his teammates view him as giving it all for the team, not as a sefish act. The decision to play or not to play should not have been left to him, because he did exactly what you would think your team leader and fiercest competitor would do .

I am a huge Russel Wilson fan, but I am not blind to the talent of others and I don't see any need to have to pull one player down to make "my" guy look better. ROTY implications? Really? You would downgrade his chances based on a decision he made about wanting to be on the field in a critical situation? That is what your leaders do - lead! We have a name for players who take the safe road in a play off situation....Jay Cutler. I didn't hear a lot of people supporting his decision to save his knee. You can't have it both ways.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Going back to the OP's point... ultimately, the decision is Shanahan's; not Griffin's.

Players are always going to err on the side of "I can get this done".

It's Shanahan's job to monitor the situation and pull the player if he (Shanahan) believes his team's best chance of victory shifts from his injured starting QB to his healthy back-up.

In my mind, RGIII did nothing wrong here... except, perhaps, by not being totally honest to himself.

My personal reaction to the situation in the game, had I been Shanahan, I would have gone to Cousins at the end of the 1st quarter... immediately after RGIII re-injured his knee.

It was obvious to me that his injury made the Redskins one-dimensional because RGIIII couldn't run the ball and his injury also affected his down-field passing accuracy and velocity. The only real offense the Redskins from that point forward centered around Morris and the short passing game... and that would not be enough to beat the Hawks.

Shanahan was wrong not to pull RGIII at that point in the game.

 

[sc85sis]

Pete left John David Booty in the game after he broke his middle finger on his throwing hand because JDB kept insisting he was fine and Pete felt he gave USC the best chance to win.

3 picks later (plus one before the broken finger) Stanford had beaten USC in what is considered one of the biggest upsets ever.

Pete has said numerous times that it's his fault for not taking JDB out of the game. I don't think he'd make that mistake again.

 

[Kamcussion]

These players are adults, if they have driven their team to the spot they are in, and tell the coach im good to go. You keep them in the game. Its not even a discussion, RG3 said he can go, he took the team from the bottom to the playoffs, and it was his call the entire way. For Shanahan to pull him, he then destroys the trust.

If the same thing happened to Russell.. You would need to pull him off the field and tie him to a bench for him not to get back in the game. I don't want a player who wants off the field. I have mad respect for RG3 and hope he gets better.

 

[jlwaters1]

Voting was done before the game ever started.

Btw, if you think Russell Wilson wouldnt be trying to play if he was in the same situation you're crazy.

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