Blame Game.

[chris98251]

Everyone is jumping on the defense and Bevell, where there is plenty that was wrong on both, Special teams is where I think we gave them two things, momentum and renewed life, we had just came back and if we make them work or punt this game looks a lot different. The contain on that return was bad, bad tackling as well.

That was the spark that made the game tough for us.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

With all the clamoring to fire Bevell... who would replace him? I've seen the jokes poked at this (anything is better than Bevell) - and those are pretty funny. But, seriously, exactly who becomes the OC if they just up and can the guy?

Wasn't it the Ravens that changed their OC and went on a Super Bowl run? Ok, that's great. It worked for them. But, firing the OC during the season is a tough thing to do. Who is everyone suggesting would replace him and how do we know that's going to necessarily mean a better offense? I'm not arguing the point. Perhaps this could be. But, that's a pretty major thing to change. Maybe they're paying Wilson enough money to do two jobs.

 

[Mojambo]

Cable would replace him, I'd imagine.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

Cable would replace him, I'd imagine.

Perhaps. But, the questions still remain. Is that necessarily better? Will Tom Cable improve the offense? It might be nice to think about and hope for, but until you pull the trigger... there's no way to know if the grass is greener on the other side of that fence.

I'm not particularly a fan of Bevell, but he's won a Super Bowl with the team and I don't hear the players complaining about him (other than Marshawn flipping him the bird from the field. That's classic if it was really directed at him.)

 

[JimmyG]

Cable would replace him, I'd imagine.

Perhaps. But, the questions still remain. Is that necessarily better? Will Tom Cable improve the offense? It might be nice to think about and hope for, but until you pull the trigger... there's no way to know if the grass is greener on the other side of that fence.

Yes. Of course he would be better. Until... he turns out to be worse. In that case, Cable becomes the scapegoat, at which point we start our search for the next magical-panacea-that-is-our-new-offensive-coordinator. The cycle will continue forever. That's how being a fan works.

 

[hawknation2015]

Cable would replace him, I'd imagine.

Perhaps. But, the questions still remain. Is that necessarily better? Will Tom Cable improve the offense? It might be nice to think about and hope for, but until you pull the trigger... there's no way to know if the grass is greener on the other side of that fence.

I'm not particularly a fan of Bevell, but he's won a Super Bowl with the team and I don't hear the players complaining about him (other than Marshawn flipping him the bird from the field. That's classic if it was really directed at him.)

I agree with you that's it's an unknown, but it shouldn't be. The same competition that drives the players on the team should also drive the play calling. Cable and Carl Smith should both have an opportunity to call plays.

 

[Rainger]

With all the clamoring to fire Bevell... who would replace him? I've seen the jokes poked at this (anything is better than Bevell) - and those are pretty funny. But, seriously, exactly who becomes the OC if they just up and can the guy?

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Jim ZORN

 

[HawkFan72]

I think Kris Richard deserves some criticism.

Everyone assumed our Defense would be good just because they have been for years. But this is a first-time D-coordinator out there and I think his inexperience cost us some ground yesterday. We really have no idea if he's going to be good at his job.

So far in the Kris Richard era we have one really bad Defensive game against a bad O-line and a 3rd string RB. Too small of a sample size, obviously, but we have nothing else to go on. I hope he's not part of the problem, but I think we are dumb to just assume he's going to be great at the job.

I saw some bad defensive playcalls yesterday for sure.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I want to know if it's time to put Pete Carroll on the hot seat?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I want to know if it's time to put Pete Carroll on the hot seat?

Yep. Back to back SB's, one championship..........built one of the best teams in the league from the ground up, created a culture of accountability, competing and positive vibe that players love playing for.

Good god people.

 

[ptisme]

I want to know if it's time to put Pete Carroll on the hot seat?

Seriously? Seriously.....

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

Cable would replace him, I'd imagine.

Perhaps. But, the questions still remain. Is that necessarily better? Will Tom Cable improve the offense? It might be nice to think about and hope for, but until you pull the trigger... there's no way to know if the grass is greener on the other side of that fence.

I'm not particularly a fan of Bevell, but he's won a Super Bowl with the team and I don't hear the players complaining about him (other than Marshawn flipping him the bird from the field. That's classic if it was really directed at him.)

I agree with you that's it's an unknown, but it shouldn't be. The same competition that drives the players on the team should also drive the play calling. Cable and Carl Smith should both have an opportunity to call plays.

I agree with this. Excellent point. But, unfortunately... those in power don't accept those terms. It's all or nothin', right?

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

With all the clamoring to fire Bevell... who would replace him? I've seen the jokes poked at this (anything is better than Bevell) - and those are pretty funny. But, seriously, exactly who becomes the OC if they just up and can the guy?

.

Jim ZORN

That might be pretty cool.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Pete Carroll has a history of sticking with some very incompetent coordinators.

You find that out later when they get removed, go to another place, or cannot get a job anywhere but Idaho later.

You take the bad with the good, but you still need to fix the bad. There are plenty of coordinators out there that would help us. It would take more than 15 minutes to come up with a reasonable list but if you gave me data, an analysis engine, a budget and a research staff - I am better it would be pretty easy to come up with a short list.

And it isn't like Bevell is some unknown commodity. He is doing the same crap he did in Minnesota.

I really wanted to give the guy chances. We got to the SB WITH him, certainly not BECAUSE of him. But yeah there was some sentiment there. That got used up last year.

When the defense played lights out, we went to the SB. When the defense was giving up yards at a clip, we got knocked out by Atlanta. He has a HOF-Q RB and a QB that has that same trajectory - and the offense is below average. Call it what you will but he is not producing.

Look at three numbers:

% success rate on drives
% success rate per attempt at first down
% TD success rate in RZ

Contrast those to league averages

Then look at:

TD per possession
Yards per score (or normalize to field position)

THEN tell me we have even an average offense?

Finally contrast the offense #s vs the individual ratings of offensive players (notably skill players). Based on how effective you believe Lynch, Wilson, Graham, Baldwin, Lockett & Kearse* are, should we be scoring more?

I will wait. We have a few games for this to shake out or Bevell to pull his head out of his *ss.

 

[ptisme]

Bevell seems to be your version of our Dom Capers... Could you imagine if we had tossed aside Capers and snatched up Fangio this off season?

 

[Siouxhawk]

I'm fine with the direction of the Hawks' offense under Bevell. I don't get worried about one game and still see us winning the division.

 

[chawx]

Honestly. I blame this loss on the 10 am PST start and the Edward Jones Dome being a freakin' morgue... this team always plays below themselves in St. Louis because there is zero emotion from the fans to feed from. I know that's a super weak excuse and these guys get paid millions, so they should be jacked either way—but, pretend for a second that they're actual human beings who play a very emotional, hard-hitting game and they're hard-wired since they were kids to perform under the bright lights and the big stage.

When the lights are dim and it feels like no one is watching them, they don't have that edge that they've used to win so many games these past 3-4 years. Plus, when you have a huge emotional hole in your team from Kam not being there and ET getting his first game reps right then and there...its not surprise this game went how it went.

Definitely not on the fire Bevell bandwagon just yet, but I need to see improvement next week...and if I'm right about the "emotion" thing, then I think we will definitely see improvement.

 

[ChiefHawk]

Cable would replace him, I'd imagine.

And this would be no better.

The root cause I saw yesterday was lack of control of the line of scrimmage on both the defense and offense side.

We could not protect Wilson or open lanes to run well enough, and we could not stop the run against us.

Bevell and Richard share blame for a lack of preparation of their players on each line - the blame rolls uphill.

As Cable is the O-line coach, clearly he didn't do his job, so promoting him would not help, as MORE responsibilities for someone who is evidently already out of their depth is not a recipe for success.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

As Cable is the O-line coach, clearly he didn't do his job, so promoting him would not help, as MORE responsibilities for someone who is evidently already out of their depth is not a recipe for success.

Are you forgetting there was another team on the field with four first round monsters on their D-line?

We all knew going into this year that our O-line was a work in progress, so we couldn't have had a worst D-line to go up against than the Rams. So let's give them some credit, they're nasty and talented and they showed it.

Cable's good, but he's not a miracle worker. Gonna take time for our O-line to gel, just a bad matchup to start the season.

 

[Atradees]

Personally' I thought the first game awesome. It had a ton of story lines. An eighteen points swing and we didn't have enough offensive line at the end to gain one yard.

Fire Pete? You would have tiny memory.......Holmgren days? Not as cool.