Barton

[QWERTY]

Just referring to a player who struggled elsewhere and came here to find success

He seems to be indicating that generically, all successful players come to the wasteland of Seattle and wither...

Just providing an opposite example

The players I'm giving out as an examples are players that do excel with their current teams, but when they are traded to new teams, their plays Drop, and become an average player.

As the guy said, Roquan Smith is a top 10 NFL Defensive player, but that doesn't mean he will be top 10 D player for the Seahawks.

 

[knownone]

Considering the sample size of one, I'm willing to bet Condotta's little tidbit has more to do with the Cardinal's offense and playing with a lead than anything else. The more interesting change is Josh Jones, whose snaps have decreased dramatically over the last three games in favor of Ryan Neal.

 

[Hawkpower]

The players I'm giving out as an examples are players that do excel with their current teams, but when they are traded to new teams, their plays Drop, and become an average player.

As the guy said, Roquan Smith is a top 10 NFL Defensive player, but that doesn't mean he will be top 10 D player for the Seahawks.

So should we make a list of players that get traded and then excel?

Because I am quite sure we can do that too......

It isnt a short list

 

[QWERTY]

So should we make a list of players that get traded and then excel?

Because I am quite sure we can do that too......

It isnt a short list

So you believe that the Organization should gamble away their picks for a player that might not work for the team?


1. Willing to give away picks for Roquan.
2. Willing to pay him 20mill per season.

 

[Mike D in 332]

I had to scroll back to the top to see that this is in fact a thread about Barton. Although it’s interesting to think that less snaps for Barton led to better defensive performance, I suspect that the Dline played a much better game than they have all season. I didn’t see lbs and cbs getting caught in the wash and there was a lot more penetration upfront.
Barton is what he is. He can run downhill and make plays but he isn’t especially brilliant in any way. He can only make the plays that the scheme sets up for him. His ceiling is reliable cog.

 

[seatownlowdown]

His ceiling is Bobby Wagner's basement floor.

FIFY

 

[Mike D in 332]

FIFY

I think you better get Bobby’s name out of your mouth when you’re talking about Barton. Lol

 

[Hawkpower]

So you believe that the Organization should gamble away their picks for a player that might not work for the team?


1. Willing to give away picks for Roquan.
2. Willing to pay him 20mill per season.

1. Depends on the picks
2. Yes

Funny that you think Roquan, an established star is a gamble, but draft picks are not

Ok.....

Have a good one.

 

[QWERTY]

1. Depends on the picks
2. Yes

Funny that you think Roquan, an established star is a gamble, but draft picks are not

Ok.....

Have a good one.

Let's see

Jimmy Graham
Sheldon Richardson
Percy Harvin
Jamal Adams

 

[MesquiteHawk]

You said he's a top 10 NFL Defensive player. He could be a top 10 NFL Defensive player for the bears, but he won't be for the Seahawks.

Example: Jamal Adams was a top 10 NFL Defensive player in the Jets. In the Seahawks he's a bag of trash.

"we've pre-agreed to an extension." Isn't that tampering.

Not if the Bears do the extension and we trade. That is team to team negotiation and the opposite of tampering.

 

[QWERTY]

Not if the Bears do the extension and we trade. That is team to team negotiation and the opposite of tampering.

Roquan said he’s done with contract talks and is betting on himself. He wants to get paid as one of the highest linebacker

 

[MesquiteHawk]

Roquan said he’s done with contract talks and is betting on himself. He wants to get paid as one of the highest linebacker

Not the question you asked.

 

[getnasty]

Smith is a stud but this team isn't a MLB away from contending for a SB. Be patient use one of your second rounders on a stud MLB in next years draft and continue to build.

If your looking to upgrade the position now then maybe a late round pick for Shaq Thompson?

 

[Chawker]

Gentleman... Its the scheme, stay with me for a moment. If Dick Butkus, as a rookie started in a 3-4 and played in a 3-4 though out his career he wouldn't have been as successful as he was.

LBers have to flow to the ball or gap, in a 3-4 they are tripping over each other to get to the point of attack, thats why the 4-3 is a much better scheme.

That and its easyer for the gaurds to get out to the second level to block them.

 

[chrispy]

Barton played well enough as a backup/ST for the last couple years to get a shot. He hasn't performed well enough to keep it. He's good on ST (and backup LB) and might keep a roster spot solely on that basis. This is the season to let inexperienced players show and grow. ...but there's also a limit. Pete's giving inexperienced players a chance and it seems like 5 games is enough to recognize Barton isn't improving very quickly. It's time to rotate in the next man up. None of that is shocking given PCs history.

JS, undoubtedly, has dug into multiple ILBs and (thus far) is more comfortable with his draft board. That's a good thing.

Ws next season will be more valuable than Ws in '22.

 

[Slick]

Barton played well enough as a backup/ST for the last couple years to get a shot. He hasn't performed well enough to keep it. He's good on ST (and backup LB) and might keep a roster spot solely on that basis. This is the season to let inexperienced players show and grow. ...but there's also a limit. Pete's giving inexperienced players a chance and it seems like 5 games is enough to recognize Barton isn't improving very quickly. It's time to rotate in the next man up. None of that is shocking given PCs history.

JS, undoubtedly, has dug into multiple ILBs and (thus far) is more comfortable with his draft board. That's a good thing.

Ws next season will be more valuable than Ws in '22.

Yep - it's all about sample size. I'm assuming the coaches wanted to give Barton an earnest shot to show he could be starter. They gave him plenty of rope (5 games) and they've seen enough. All years prior he was injury/mop-up guy and though service-able never took over a spot. He's a great ST though.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

"we've pre-agreed to an extension." Isn't that tampering.

No, happens all the time with trades.

Also why trades don't happen, because they player and his agent tell the team they're not signing an extension and want to go to free agency.

 

[GemCity]

He's in the last year of his contract and has made it crystal clear that he wants out of Chicago.

So I don't think you'd have to give up even one 1st for him. If so? I agree, no thanks. But if he can be had for a 2nd, or 3rd and 4th?

Smith is a top 10 NFL defensive player, and I wouldn't hesitate giving him an extension.

If we can avoid coughing up a first, I’m in.

 

[nwHawk]

Do not over pay. Bears aren’t going anywhere so a 4th or 5th round pick should be in play. He’s leaving one way or another. No way should Hawks pay a 1-3 rd pick at this point in the season.

 

[Own The West]

Smith is a 4-3 MLB, so he would fit as a replacement for Barton, but does he know the 3-4 ILB? Aside from learning curve, he's stated we wants to get top dollar for his new team. So do you flip your salary plan on its head and undercut your budding leader Brooks for a mid-season acquisition that needs to learn a new position?

As far as compensation, I would think Chicago views him as a 3rd/4th comp pick at the moment, unless they intend to franchise him for $18M. My guess is that we could get him for anything north of a 3rd rounder so the original question remains: do you want him on your team for $20M?

My gut says no. He doesn't act like a good cultural fit and his addition would be more disruptive than helpful both in the locker room and to the cap -- regardless of how he plays.