Baker, 4th to Titans for LB Ernest Jones IV

[Maelstrom787]

I friggin love this guy already.

 

[Tech Worlds]

We got a dog. A young dog. Be happy.

It is known

 

[bigskydoc]

Padding to help with the hits

Other players - "Ima protect my head"




Jones - "Hold my Beer!"

 

[JPatera76]

He’ll play against the same team two weeks in a row as well.

 

[Ostatehawk]

Also, I can not imagine that Schneider would not have talked to Wagner about bringing Jones IV to the Seahawks.

This. This gives me good vibes. If Bobby said we should do it - then I'm 100% on board.

 

[Seahawkwalt1967]

The beauty of this is that we have our mlb for the next 8 years or so for just a 4th rounder. I believe his 40 time was 4.7 i think. Remind me never to focus on 40 times for our lb’s, but on intelligence, leadership, gap control, and shedding blocks. This is what we have now!

 

[knownone]

Not so much what Mac wanted as it was what he could get at the time

Couldn't you say the same thing about Jones?

 

[cymatica]

Couldn't you say the same thing about Jones?

No

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Couldn't you say the same thing about Jones?

What?

 

[knownone]

The comparison is more about what they bring to the team, rather than how equal they are as players.

Ernest may not have the ceiling of Roquan, but what he does bring to the team is a true fit at MIKE.

Dodson wasn't that. Dodson is better as a weakside linebacker, and now he can play his preferred spot.

Ernest brings a high level of versatility, though. He isn't just a run stuffer. He can carry the deep hook in zone, he's quick to process what's happening in coverage, he's an adept blitzer, and he seems like a potential leader. He's a versatile linebacker and that along with moving Dodson to his better spot has the potential to raise the ceiling of this defense tremendously.

The problem is that our media and fan base have been talking about the "Roquan Smith Trade" as some pivotal moment needed to shift our defense from the bottom five to the top five for months. So, when the comparison is made, that's the underlying connotation and expectation.

Now, it's pretty clear that people aren't actually reading my comments here. So I won't get into the run-stopper stuff, as any nuanced discussion is treated as hating and such (even though I said I liked the trade and the player).

 

[knownone]

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Quality stuff.

 

[Maelstrom787]

The problem is that our media and fan base have been talking about the "Roquan Smith Trade" as some pivotal moment needed to shift our defense from the bottom five to the top five for months. So, when the comparison is made, that's the underlying connotation and expectation.

Now, it's pretty clear that people aren't actually reading my comments here. So I won't get into the run-stopper stuff, as any nuanced discussion is treated as hating and such (even though I said I liked the trade and the player).

I agree that the situations are not a perfect parallel, and I don't think it moves the needle that severely.

I do think it raises the ceiling for this defense almost as much as Roquan did for the Ravens at the time. Roquan is better, but MIKE felt like more of an Achilles heel for our defense considering the fairly destructive talent on the DL and the mostly high level play in the secondary.

So much of the defensive pain could be placed squarely on the LBs, especially Baker. If this goes how I think it's going to go, it feels to me like we've fixed a fatal flaw that'll allow this defense to really make strides toward top-10 territory.

And believe me, man. I love nuance.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Go Hawks!

 

[knownone]

I agree that the situations are not a perfect parallel, and I don't think it moves the needle that severely.

I do think it raises the ceiling for this defense almost as much as Roquan did for the Ravens at the time. Roquan is better, but MIKE felt like more of an Achilles heel for our defense considering the fairly destructive talent on the DL and the mostly high level play in the secondary.

So much of the defensive pain could be placed squarely on the LBs, especially Baker. If this goes how I think it's going to go, it feels to me like we've fixed a fatal flaw that'll allow this defense to really make strides toward top-10 territory.

And believe me, man. I love nuance.

Agreed. Jones fits in nicely with the Seahawks' defense. He doesn't need to be elite in coverage because we have the pass rush and secondary to hide him while he develops in that aspect of our scheme. He's also a good enough blitzer that hiding him becomes easier. So if he can marginally improve the run defense, that might be enough to shift them toward a top-ten defense, as you said.

I know you love nuance. My inbox does not.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You do it a lot.
Meh, go Hawks.
Can't wait to see Jones on the field Sunday.

 

[JayhawkMike]

This thread is funny.

anyway, we got a great player. If he is resigned it is a success. If he isn’t it was a waste of a 4th round pick. Especially is we don’t make the playoffs this year.

i don’t have ‘extra’ hundred dollar bills. The fourth round pick isn’t ‘extra’ It was another opportunity to draft at 110ish a player on a rookie contract that could help the team. While JS has a pisspore draft history with few bright spots in the last decade the hope is MacDonald will help him course correct.

 

[MORGULON]

This must be one of Mike's picks, so let's see how it turns out.

On the surface, it looks like a bad trade. He needs to be resigned next year, gave up a 4th, and a serviceable player for him. Baker was a 3rd round draft pick, and Jones was a 3rd round draft pick, so we are losing a 4th out of this deal.

I don't like it, but maybe coach sees Jones as a key player moving forward. I propose that the Seahawks hire Bill Belichick for General Manager (if he would go for it), that guy always seems to find trading partners, who are suckers.

Titans win trade, unless Jones turns out to be a leader on defense. That's my take.

Fire John Schneider and replace him With Bill Belechik?

You do realize Belechik was fired because of the job he was doing in New England as GM? Brady was able to win in spite of the crappy drafts and once he left it was evident what state the Patriots were in and Kraft moved on .

I think Jones was a good pickup and JS got him with every intention of keeping him around . Most all the Schneider haters like the acquisition but don't give him any credit .

Not saying you're a douche , I just don't agree with your post.

 

[MORGULON]

The other good thing about this trade is that it allows Dodson to move to weakside LB, where he is a better fit. He is top ten among LBs in coverage, but is literally the worst starting MLB in stopping the run. That was also his weakness in college, and it hasn't gotten better.

Kudos to whoever is doing the self-scouting and diagnosed the weakness and fixed it.

Schneider probably had at least something to do with it.
He's the GM.

 

[bigskydoc]

JS has a pisspore draft history with few bright spots in the last decade the hope is MacDonald will help him course correct.

2022 and 2023 were pretty darn good drafts. A little early to tell on 2024 yet. As the team gets built, drafting starters will be harder.

2022


2023

 

[MORGULON]

good trade for the Hawks.

I'm beyond annoyed.

Sorry RedAlice.. but your annoyance makes me feel all tingly inside my friend. I dislike the Rams in a brotherly kind of way but hate and wish pestilences on Santa Clara.

Thanks for the banger!