Baker, 4th to Titans for LB Ernest Jones IV

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THIS ^^^^

Proven players > a 4th round player that MIGHT eventually pan out.

This guy lead the Rams in tackles last season. He's 24 years old. Screw a 4th round pick that may eventually pan out. They went and got a proven player in his prime.
And a possible key piece to make MM defensive scheme come to life. We should've seen this coming .

I hope I didn't jinx anything 😆
 

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I like the deal. I never fret about later round picks. I hesitate sometimes on the first 2 or 3 picks sometimes only because of the advantage of possibly getting a good player on a rookie contract.

Now if we had a stud left guard to replace Tomlinson, we'd have a decent left side of the line while the right side has been doing a bit better and getting healthier. I think they could turn this season around and look more like a legit contender without the major ups and downs.
 

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2022 and 2023 were pretty darn good drafts. A little early to tell on 2024 yet. As the team gets built, drafting starters will be harder.

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So is your argument that JS is a good drafter and that the 4th round pick might have been valuable? Because some are saying a 4th rounder is a throw away pick. Of course many of those are in the “waaaaaah the draft is such a crap shoot and you can never get a good player unless you have a draft pick higher than whatever draft pick we have that particular year.” Crowd.

we got a great player. If he is re-signed without breaking the bank he was worth a 4th rounder - arguably. If he leaves after this season it was a waste. If he leaves after this season and we don’t even make The playoffs and he is a one year rental on a Non-playoff team then it’s an utter waste.

I’m okay with JS being fired for a number of reasons and this may or may not be one of them. Time will tel.
 

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So is your argument that JS is a good drafter and that the 4th round pick might have been valuable? Because some are saying a 4th rounder is a throw away pick. Of course many of those are in the “waaaaaah the draft is such a crap shoot and you can never get a good player unless you have a draft pick higher than whatever draft pick we have that particular year.” Crowd.

we got a great player. If he is re-signed without breaking the bank he was worth a 4th rounder - arguably. If he leaves after this season it was a waste. If he leaves after this season and we don’t even make The playoffs and he is a one year rental on a Non-playoff team then it’s an utter waste.

I’m okay with JS being fired for a number of reasons and this may or may not be one of them. Time will tel.
I was simply pointing out that he’s had some very good drafts recently, and it’s far harder to draft to a stacked team than one with a ton of holes in it.

Finding starters in the draft and free agency, when your roster consists of Wagner, Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Bennett, Avril, Mebane… is a Sisyphean task. You will have far more “misses” than “hits.”

Finding starters when your team is in complete rebuild mode is comparatively easy.

Schneider seems to be near the best when in rebuild mode, but hasn’t really shined when adding to a stacked roster. With the HUGE caveat that we have yet to see him untethered from Carroll.

My take on this trade. It’s all a gamble. Draft, FA, trade just a gamble. You try to get the odds in your favor.

If you find a four year starter in the fourth round, you’ve hit the jackpot. If you hit a four year starter for trading away a fourth rounder, you’ve hit something big, but short of the jackpot.

It’s a huge position of need, on a known quantity, with a coach who has a history of knowing how to maximize the position.

It’s a great gamble IMHO, and the odds are in our favor. If he leaves at the end of the year, that doesn’t mean it was a bad bet. The odds are in our favor, IMHO.
 

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This must be one of Mike's picks, so let's see how it turns out.

On the surface, it looks like a bad trade. He needs to be resigned next year, gave up a 4th, and a serviceable player for him. Baker was a 3rd round draft pick, and Jones was a 3rd round draft pick, so we are losing a 4th out of this deal.

I don't like it, but maybe coach sees Jones as a key player moving forward. I propose that the Seahawks hire Bill Belichick for General Manager (if he would go for it), that guy always seems to find trading partners, who are suckers.

Titans win trade, unless Jones turns out to be a leader on defense. That's my take.
Nope
 

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This is a great trade. He'll be resigned. We have two 4th rounders next year. Baker was anything up serviceable. No one cares what round Baker was taken in, we didn't draft him. Jones was the defensive leader for both the Rams and Titans. Belichick wasn't a great GM at the end of this tenure at NE.

I'm gonna be a bit of a dick here but you need to watch more football and let it stick in your brain.
Yeah I was trying not tell him that… so…. Thanks for this
 

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If jones turns out to be the next B-wags then this is a steal. Bobby was a 2nd round pick. Jones played with Bobby and commented on Bobby’s mentorship and now he steps into the roll that Bobby flourished in. I’m not gonna say I know jones will be great but I’m excited about him and resigning him seems pretty plausible. Also watch the film study thread on jones on this site. Pretty impressive
 

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If jones turns out to be the next B-wags then this is a steal. Bobby was a 2nd round pick. Jones played with Bobby and commented on Bobby’s mentorship and now he steps into the roll that Bobby flourished in. I’m not gonna say I know jones will be great but I’m excited about him and resigning him seems pretty plausible. Also watch the film study thread on jones on this site. Pretty impressive
This trade has the potential to be greater than the sum of its parts.

Jones IV gets to play behind Murphy III, after being used to playing behind A Donald on the Rams. Not saying Murphy III = Donald, but perhaps in time.
Dodson moves over to his natural position
MMac's defense now has more of the pieces it needs to "really" play his scheme.

Hypothetically Jones IV and his overall influence/communication stops a couple drives a game with key plays in the run game, and another drive with a pass break-up. If he does that, 3 drives, that's a difference-maker and possibly difference between a W and an L.

Hypothetically! Looking forward to seeing the reality the next few games.
 

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This trade has the potential to be greater than the sum of its parts.

Jones IV gets to play behind Murphy III, after being used to playing behind A Donald on the Rams. Not saying Murphy III = Donald, but perhaps in time.
Dodson moves over to his natural position
MMac's defense now has more of the pieces it needs to "really" play his scheme.

Hypothetically Jones IV and his overall influence/communication stops a couple drives a game with key plays in the run game, and another drive with a pass break-up. If he does that, 3 drives, that's a difference-maker and possibly difference between a W and an L.

Hypothetically! Looking forward to seeing the reality the next few games.
Murphy is a stud. I watched his film study too and it’s cool how he eats people up and rips off blocks in the run game. He is freakishly strong too. I thought last year we’d take Jalen Carter, but I think I’m glad we got Murphy instead. You’re right about the sum is greater than the parts. Especially how jones is gonna help Dodson and how jones can crash down being behind Murph
 

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That "extra 4th" just landed a core/starting caliber player. I guess they should bank on the potential of a player that might not make the team? I'd love to see more Brooks and Bartons back there again...

ETA* Seahawks fans, Seattle is never a player in FA, WTF...fire everyone!

Also Seattle fans, Seattle trading mid round picks for starter caliber players, WTF?! Fire everyone.
Brooks… never was that fond of him. Undersized and drafted too high. And we let Bobby go cause of brooks smh
 

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Brooks… never was that fond of him. Undersized and drafted too high. And we let Bobby go cause of brooks smh
He's not undersized. He's actually on the bigger side for a modern ILB. A legit muscular 240 lbs. Also longer arms.

Brooks was pretty much the prototypical athlete for a modern ILB. Muscular, agile, fast, relatively long, and stout.

I think he was actually very good. He got a lot of shit because PFF doesn't really grade defenders properly in coverage. They'll don't attribute busts correctly and they don't build in when players have to compensate for the skillsets of those around them (like Diggs having more ground to cover because of Bobby's aging legs in 2023).

But Jordyn could do some crazy things in coverage. 240 pound man with low 4.5 speed and whatnot. Better 40 than some cornerbacks.

We let Bobby go at the right time. I wasn't a fan of bringing him back, but I get what Pete wanted (a legendary leader).
 

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He's not undersized. He's actually on the bigger side for a modern ILB. A legit muscular 240 lbs. Also longer arms.

Brooks was pretty much the prototypical athlete for a modern ILB. Muscular, agile, fast, relatively long, and stout.

I think he was actually very good. He got a lot of shit because PFF doesn't really grade defenders properly in coverage. They'll don't attribute busts correctly and they don't build in when players have to compensate for the skillsets of those around them (like Diggs having more ground to cover because of Bobby's aging legs in 2023).

But Jordyn could do some crazy things in coverage. 240 pound man with low 4.5 speed and whatnot. Better 40 than some cornerbacks.

We let Bobby go at the right time. I wasn't a fan of bringing him back, but I get what Pete wanted (a legendary leader).
Short. I meant short. I like tall linebackers like Brian Urlacher and Luke Keuchly
 
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