Backwards pass 2 point conversion

[SoulfishHawk]

The big question should be, it sounded like the whistle blew a couple of seconds before Charbonet picked up the ball. Why was anything after the whistle blew allowed to stand?

I saw someone post somewhere that in that instance it doesn't matter if the whistle blew or not. I'm not saying that's accurate, but I heard that.

Side note, McVay is a whining b&***, same as Puka. WHINE instead of giving credit to your opponent. Cry me a fricken river, you dewshnozzle. Mr. Perfect didn't even know the rule.

God, this is fun.

 

[Trackhawk]

"When a backward pass is ruled forward and incomplete, Replay can reverse if there is a clear recovery in the immediate continuing action. The recovering team is awarded the ball at the spot of recovery.

Let me make this perfectly clear: whether a whistle is blown or not is completely irrelevant."

 

[FrodosFinger]

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[bileever]

One thing that the Rams were complaining about on the two-point conversion was that the Seahawks should not have been able to advance a fumble. Apparently, there is a loophole that says that doesn't apply in the case of a backward pass:

How Seahawks benefitted from NFL rulebook loophole that Matthew Stafford didn't even know about on two-pointer

The NFL rulebook definitely worked in the Seahawks' favor on their wild two-point conversion against the Rams

www.cbssports.com

 

[Sperrydogg]

It’s got to have a name. They said craziest ever or something. Truly the most unbelievable play of all time.

Zackwards pass

 

[Hawknight]

I don't know if I have just old eyes or what not, but I couldn't tell that it was a backwards pass, more of a lateral at least what I could tell...did anyone else have the same issue of seeing that it was a backwards pass...I'm going to try and watch it again tonight...games worth watching again and again...

 

[Sperrydogg]

I like this one!

Said it already… they said it during the game

 

[JPatera76]

Inadvertent Whistle Rule: According to NFL Rule 15, Section 3, Article 11, Item 1, if an on-field ruling that results in a dead ball (like an incomplete pass) is changed to a loose ball (like a backward pass/fumble) after review, possession may be awarded to a player who clearly recovers the ball in the immediate continuing action. The rule essentially overrides the "play is dead immediately" aspect of the inadvertent whistle rule in this specific scenario to ensure the correct team gets possession at the spot of recovery, even if players stop.

(There’s a few clips of it and when. It happens you can see the official also signal the ball is live. There’s only 1 player that turns, looks and sees this side judge.. Charbs)

Edit. Sadly today this far instead of giving credit to the Seahawks, then media world is going full Puka on the officials and saying Seattle benefiting a bad 2pt call.. its like the simultaneous catch all over again

 

[cymatica]

@cymatica, did you tweet Zachwards pass at Ian Rappaport? He said that play needs a name and settled on yours!

No. Someone on the main broadcast said it, might have been Fitz

 

[SoulfishHawk]

One thing that the Rams were complaining about on the two-point conversion was that the Seahawks should not have been able to advance a fumble. Apparently, there is a loophole that says that doesn't apply in the case of a backward pass:

How Seahawks benefitted from NFL rulebook loophole that Matthew Stafford didn't even know about on two-pointer

The NFL rulebook definitely worked in the Seahawks' favor on their wild two-point conversion against the Rams

www.cbssports.com

Other way around and they would be telling us to get over it. Well....get over it CLAMS

 

[DTiempo81]

In the stands we were so confused at the time why they were reviewing the play. Since it was not a called a score, I was curious why replay was initiated. Didn’t sound like Seahawks challenged the play. Does anyone have any insight on that one? Also I was pretty shocked that they took the Kupp fumble out to the 20.

It was an expedited review from NY with Instant Replay Assistance which is new in 2025. These happen when a clear error has been determined in certain instances: https://operations.nfl.com/officiating/instant-replay/replay-assistance-rule/

 

[warden]

I am shocked that the refs actually got this one right. But they did.

 

[Kamcussionator]

I am shocked that the refs actually got this one right. But they did.

Some of the 'rigged' folks owe the refs an apology...

 

[bileever]

I am shocked that the refs actually got this one right. But they did.

Yeah, the rules are pretty complicated for this kind of situation, but the refs and the replay people took their time and followed all the rules here. No one has anything to complain about. Sam may not have meant this to be a backward pass, but that's what it was. Barely.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Cannot say it enough: tip of the cap to Charbonnet for going after that ball.

 

[Runscott]

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Thanks - that answers a question I had: "What if a Rams player had picked it up and handed it to the ref?" Rams would have taken over at that point.

 

[chris98251]

Funny because of two things we won, and secondly we benefitted from it. Mediots and NFL are all in uproar over what happened, reminds me of the Catch with Green Bay, if the Rams had been on the receiving end and won much like Green Bay it would have been harolded as a great awareness play by said player. But we are Seattle, this is where we know the bias is real as Seahawks fans, this is also what Motivated the team before in 2013, disrespect and bias to basically go to New York headquarters of the NFL and make a Statement against the best offense ever in our Superbowl. Let them talk and we can ride that motivational wave.

 

[ivotuk]

Curl almost "intercepted" it, and it would have been the Rams ball at the 20. If that had happened, there would be no complaining about the play.

And even though "advancing a fumble" doesn't apply in this instance, it wasn't advanced, it bounced off of a guys helmet, then bounced out of the DBs arms and landed to his right, where Charbonet picked it up, taking over possession.

But we have this:

"Very interesting," coach Sean McVay said, via ESPN. "Didn't get a clear explanation of everything that went on just because of some of the timing of it.
"I've never seen anything or never been a part of anything like that. And I've grown up around this game. I'm not making excuses. We don't do that. I don't believe in that. It doesn't move us forward, but we do want clarity and an understanding of the things that we can do to minimize that when we rejected the two-point conversion."

Matthew Stafford, who became the fifth player in NFL history with 450-plus pass yards, 3-plus pass TDs and 0 INTs in a loss (Jared Goff, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Cassel), wondered how a fumble can be advanced in that situation.
"I just want to know that rule," Stafford said, per the L.A. Daily News. "Because I thought on plays like that -- two-minute plays or two-point plays, inside of two minutes and stuff -- I didn't think you were allowed to advance a fumble."

Rams question overturned two-point play that aided collapse vs. Seahawks

A Seahawks two-point fourth-quarter attempt was initially ruled incomplete but overturned into a fumble and score, allowing Seattle to tie the score. The play was one part of a 16-point collapse for the Los Angeles Rams on Thursday night.

www.nfl.com

 

[glenwo2]

Nah they are coached to do that on plays like that just in case it was backwards so there's a clear recovery. You see it off obvious incompletions all the time on the off chance it becomes a fumble. Definitely a coached thing to make a clear recovery

Play till the whistle, basically.

Charb picked up the ball not to be all sportsman-like but did it.....JUST IN CASE.

And voila! "JUST IN CASE" happened.

 

[JPatera76]

Curl almost "intercepted" it, and it would have been the Rams ball at the 20. If that had happened, there would be no complaining about the play.

And even though "advancing a fumble" doesn't apply in this instance, it wasn't advanced, it bounced off of a guys helmet, then bounced out of the DBs arms and landed to his right, where Charbonet picked it up, taking over possession.

But we have this:

"Very interesting," coach Sean McVay said, via ESPN. "Didn't get a clear explanation of everything that went on just because of some of the timing of it.
"I've never seen anything or never been a part of anything like that. And I've grown up around this game. I'm not making excuses. We don't do that. I don't believe in that. It doesn't move us forward, but we do want clarity and an understanding of the things that we can do to minimize that when we rejected the two-point conversion."

Matthew Stafford, who became the fifth player in NFL history with 450-plus pass yards, 3-plus pass TDs and 0 INTs in a loss (Jared Goff, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Cassel), wondered how a fumble can be advanced in that situation.
"I just want to know that rule," Stafford said, per the L.A. Daily News. "Because I thought on plays like that -- two-minute plays or two-point plays, inside of two minutes and stuff -- I didn't think you were allowed to advance a fumble."

Rams question overturned two-point play that aided collapse vs. Seahawks

A Seahawks two-point fourth-quarter attempt was initially ruled incomplete but overturned into a fumble and score, allowing Seattle to tie the score. The play was one part of a 16-point collapse for the Los Angeles Rams on Thursday night.

www.nfl.com

If they have questions they can gladly see my rule quote lol. Also being it “bounced” and wasn’t forced it wasn’t considered advanced. Iirc I saw where it was clarified on why it wasn’t considered advanced i wish I could remember exactly