At what cost do you keep Sidney Rice?

[Sac]

The vet minimum

 

[QuahHawk]

Right now all things considering the depth chart looks like this:

1. Harvin
2. Baldwin
3. Kearse
4. Richardson
5. Norwood
6. Lockette
7. Rice

I think the Seahawks will carry 6.

I like the idea of putting Rice on the PUP roster, I doubt he needs to practice much in Bevell's system so he could miss trainng camp but still be involved with the team helping to coach up the youngsters, in this scenario you almost guarantee a full recovery and who knows by that time a WR will be hurt or you can just cut Lockette, when you get replacement gunners more confortable. I think Kevin Pierre-Louis would dominant as a gunner. Also, remember we did play without Lockette for the first half of the season and he has some very nice special teams plays but its not like we absolutely need him on the roster.

But yeah Rice is going to be hard-pressed to make the roster... getting both Richardson and Norwood in the draft put him on the bubble... especially when you look at Norwood and notice similar qualities to their game. Length w/ long arms and big hands, deceptive speed bc of long strides, clutch especially in traffic, great jump ball skills, and plays big in big games, big moments.

Locks
1. Harvin
2. Richardson
3. Baldwin
4. Kearse

Likely
5. Rice
6. Norwood

Possible
7. Lockett
8. Bates

I think it is likely we keep 6 wr's. But I see the competition for the 6th Wr more about what position we keep an extra body at. Rice and Norwood might have to beat out T. Pryor for the roster spot.

I could see Rice on the PUP if not 100% but I think Lockett is a long shot to make the roster. His speed is no longer special with Richardson and Harvin around.

 

[hawknation2014]

I could see Rice on the PUP if not 100% but I think Lockett is a long shot to make the roster. His speed is no longer special with Richardson and Harvin around.

Very good point. Richardson, Harvin, and Baldwin all play the same role as Ricardo Lockette, whose special teams contributions seems vastly overrated (two total tackles with zero return yards last season).

In contrast, what 6'3+ receivers do we have besides Sidney Rice? He gives us a red zone threat and creates a different kind of matchup problem for the opposing defense.

Richardson takes Lockette's spot by default if he is healthy. If Rice is heathy, he will be on the team unless Chris Matthews beats him out, which seems unlikely.

 

[hawxfreak]

As soon as rice went out last year every team started to load the box causing havoc for russ
If all it means is the threat of having the ability to stretch the field to keep from seeing what we saw last year I would take him over lockette
We're gonna need some serious help against our own division

 

[seatownlowdown]

Right now all things considering the depth chart looks like this:

1. Harvin
2. Baldwin
3. Kearse
4. Richardson
5. Norwood
6. Lockette
7. Rice

I think the Seahawks will carry 6.

I like the idea of putting Rice on the PUP roster, I doubt he needs to practice much in Bevell's system so he could miss trainng camp but still be involved with the team helping to coach up the youngsters, in this scenario you almost guarantee a full recovery and who knows by that time a WR will be hurt or you can just cut Lockette, when you get replacement gunners more confortable. I think Kevin Pierre-Louis would dominant as a gunner. Also, remember we did play without Lockette for the first half of the season and he has some very nice special teams plays but its not like we absolutely need him on the roster.

But yeah Rice is going to be hard-pressed to make the roster... getting both Richardson and Norwood in the draft put him on the bubble... especially when you look at Norwood and notice similar qualities to their game. Length w/ long arms and big hands, deceptive speed bc of long strides, clutch especially in traffic, great jump ball skills, and plays big in big games, big moments.

Locks
1. Harvin
2. Richardson
3. Baldwin
4. Kearse

Likely
5. Rice
6. Norwood

Possible
7. Lockett
8. Bates

I think it is likely we keep 6 wr's. But I see the competition for the 6th Wr more about what position we keep an extra body at. Rice and Norwood might have to beat out T. Pryor for the roster spot.

I could see Rice on the PUP if not 100% but I think Lockett is a long shot to make the roster. His speed is no longer special with Richardson and Harvin around.

i wouldn't write off matthews just yet

 

[themunn]

It seems people just assume a rookie WR can step in and be Golden Tate or 2012 Sidney Rice right away.

Nobody said that. Those are your words not ours. But the Hawks are not going to invest a roster spot for a 5th or 6th WR on a broken down player with shot knees who has no special teams value at the expense of a premier ST's player (Lockette) or a rookie 4th round pick with a bright future AND special teams value (Norwood). You say that "people forget what Rice can do," but you're forgetting that Rice "did that" a long time and multiple major injuries ago. Sidney Rice 2014 isn't Sidney Rice 2012, and Sidney Rice 2012 wasn't Sidney Rice 2009.

How do you know Sidney Rice 2014 is not Sidney Rice 2012?
Have you been to practice? Have you seen how he's recovered from his injury? Half a season injured in 2013 and that's it, he's done, kaput?
We should cut Harvin then too. Sidney Rice's downtime in production last year while he was healthy came from the fact that our O-Line gave no time for his routes to develop. If he is healthy, he will make the team. 100% confident of it

 

[Largent80]

All he has to do is play like he did the year before last, but now he is making peanuts. If he plays to that level you easily keep him.

 

[Schadie001]

Right now there are only 3 spots on the roster that I believe are locked in.
Harvin
Baldwin
Kearse

Seattle has shown that they don't care if you were drafted, signed or an UDFA if you perform you earn a spot.
I personally think player that has the potential to make the roster is Chris Mathews, he was outstanding in Canada his rookie year, injured last year but has put up some big numbers when healthy and he's still young. No one thought Browner had a chance to make the team either and he started. Seattle needs a big receiver and Mathews is 6'5, 195. Caught 95 passes for 1,330 yards and eight touchdowns in 2 seasons. I think he is the dark horse to make the team that no one is talking about. It wouldn't surprise me if they practice squad-ed Richardson and Norwood and kept Rice and Mathews.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

At what cost do we keep him? Same as the cost for any other receiver, and to a certain extent, any other player. This team's "best man plays" attitude means that the top six or seven receivers will make the team and the rest will not.

We're fortunate enough with Rice to have him back on a negligible salary, but his monetary cost is not part of the equation here; the cost of a roster spot is. If he's good enough to make the spot, he'll bump one of the other guys that isn't. Luckily we may be able to stash one or two of the younger guys on the practice squad, which, coupled with Rice's salary, may win him a tie-breaker, but otherwise he's in the same boat as everyone else.

 

[hawkfan68]

Rice offers abilities that no other receiver on the team does at this point. He is a big receiver with very good hands and a knack for making a big catch. He is a redzone threat. Although he doesn't get as many targets, he makes the most of the ones he gets. Hardly drops the ball. It will take a lot, IMO, to displace Rice. Rice making the team is pretty much guaranteed. But stranger things have happened....

 

[Subzero717]

I think we keep 6 and he gets in. At his price it seems inevitable.

Harv
Bald
Rich
Rice
Kearse
Norw

 

[Scottemojo]

I feel like there are 8 guys battling for 6 spots, with another 4 battling for the PS. Kearse, Baldwin, Harvin, Richardson are locks, Norwood is a strong 5th man, and Lockette, Rice and Matthews are battling for that last spot.

This is a great problem. Deities forbid, if somebody gets hurt, we are still set. HN14 dismisses Lockette's specials too fast, but if Norwood shows some specials talent, Lockette becomes more expendable. Add to that, Lockette seems to me like the kind of guy you look to replace because he is a dipstick off the field.

Lockette lacks on field execution, Matthews lacks speed, and Rice lacks knees. Matthews appears to have good hands, we know Rice has good hands, and Lockette not so much with the hands.

Rice brings some Vet credibility that may go a ways with the new guys, so he has that going for him. However, I suspect that as we get closer to training camp he will find his recovery from surgery is not speeding along. I have a hard time forgetting last year, when he was jetting off to far away places to get treatments to his knee and was limited in practice.

I also suspect that as we get close to cut time in pre-season, one of these guys, maybe even Baldwin or Kearse, become trade material. So worrying about the odd man out may be kind of moot anyway.

Anybody remember training camp 2008? when Ruskell had the team in TC with a decimated WR group and we were hoping Jordan Kent, Logan, or Bumpus was the answer? Seems so long ago.

 

[sc85sis]

We have a rather large number of WRs on the roster at the moment. I think 5-6 make the roster and 1 or maybe 2 on the PS. It's possible we could PUP Sidney. The rest will likely have to find work elsewhere.

Baldwin, Doug
Bates, Phil
Clark, Arceto
Harvin, Percy
Kearse, Jermaine
Lockette, Ricardo
Matthews, Chris
Norwood, Kevin
Price, Taylor
Rice, Sidney
Richardson, Paul
Walters, Bryan

 

[QuahHawk]

I had forgot about Matthews. I'd say his odds are better than Lockette but not a good as Rice or Norwood.

 

[bbsplitter]

We have a rather large number of WRs on the roster at the moment. I think 5-6 make the roster and 1 or maybe 2 on the PS. It's possible we could PUP Sidney. The rest will likely have to find work elsewhere.

Baldwin, Doug
Bates, Phil
Clark, Arceto
Harvin, Percy
Kearse, Jermaine
Lockette, Ricardo
Matthews, Chris
Norwood, Kevin
Price, Taylor
Rice, Sidney
Richardson, Paul
Walters, Bryan

Does anyone know if Sidney has already practiced yet? I saw a post on here that said he couldn't be on the PUP list after he had practiced... True?

 

[Hasselbeck]

When it was announced that they brought back Rice, my primary concern was that the FO would be satisfied by that and elect to not address WR in the draft even though it was absolutely loaded at that position this year.

Well.. the front office drafted two guys..

So yeah.. I think Sid's on the outside looking in at this point. Barring an injury to someone above him on the depth chart.. I don't know if he makes the team.

I also am not convinced Norwood is a mortal lock to make the team, though if Vegas set odds on this, he'd be a heavy favorite to do so. To me there are only 4 locks at this point.. and that's Percy, Kearse, ADB and Richardson. After that you have Sid, Norwood, Lockette and all the camp fodder that will probably not survive the first cuts.. with the better guys winding up on the p-squad.

 

[Hasselbeck]

We have a rather large number of WRs on the roster at the moment. I think 5-6 make the roster and 1 or maybe 2 on the PS. It's possible we could PUP Sidney. The rest will likely have to find work elsewhere.

Baldwin, Doug
Bates, Phil
Clark, Arceto
Harvin, Percy
Kearse, Jermaine
Lockette, Ricardo
Matthews, Chris
Norwood, Kevin
Price, Taylor
Rice, Sidney
Richardson, Paul
Walters, Bryan

Does anyone know if Sidney has already practiced yet? I saw a post on here that said he couldn't be on the PUP list after he had practiced... True?

OTA's are different than training camp practices. Harvin participated in OTA's last year, and actually injured his hip there.

So PUP is in play if Sidney doesn't practice in camp because of his ACL. Supposedly though he was ok'd for football activities last month.. whatever that means.

 

[naholmes]

At what cost? At the cost of Ricardo Lockette, who could probably be signed to the practice squad.

 

[hawkfan68]

Don't see how anyone thinks that Norwood is a shoo-in. He has as good as chance of being on PS as anyone else including Lockette. There's a competition and the best 6 (hopefully) will be on the Seahawk roster. Right now the best six are Harvin, Rice, Baldwin, Kearse, Lockette, and Richardson.

 

[naholmes]

If they try to sneak Norwood onto the practice squad then it's fairly likely that another team will claim him (like Chris Harper last year). So if the coaches believe in his potential then he's likely to be on the 53 man roster or he could possibly be stashed on IR with an "injury" (like the Pats did with Jeff Demps).

Upon further review Lockette isn't even eligible for practice squad since he's been active for 9 games.