There was a thing where he told his teamates not to rip his shirt off afterThreedee":2tpbr788 said:hawksfansinceday1":2tpbr788 said:
The awesome thing about it is that Altuve could not have been wearing a buzzer, but, the overwhelming amount of evidence against the team means that no one will believe him.
Seahaaaawks":f39yk9yx said:lol low blow...
FalconsFanNW":24ko0rxn said:Seahaaaawks":24ko0rxn said:lol low blow...
I LOL'ed.
I was so pumped about the Mariners last season... 13-2 and bought tix to the Friday night game vs Houston and they were blown out and swept.
The snowball effect started with me going to that game. This year I'm not going to any Mariners games. Hopefully they'll do better than 1-18 vs the Astros like last year.
As for the sign stealing... I think the punishments are appropriate. Can't really punish the players because nobody knows who and to what extent... and sign stealing has always been a part of baseball. Punish the GM and manager for knowing about it and not doing anything about it which has been done.
Still don't get why though... the Astros are stacked but anything for an edge it seems...
JGfromtheNW":2rim47ft said:IMO that entire roster/coaching staff/FO is guilty because everyone who was even allowed in/around the dugout was complicit with what was going on. You're telling me a bunch of adult men just didn't ask twice about garbage cans/whistles constantly making noise in the dugout during games and at-bats? It's an absolute joke.
Vacate titles or the punishment is virtually non-existent.
Uncle Si":juz5fetd said:JGfromtheNW":juz5fetd said:IMO that entire roster/coaching staff/FO is guilty because everyone who was even allowed in/around the dugout was complicit with what was going on. You're telling me a bunch of adult men just didn't ask twice about garbage cans/whistles constantly making noise in the dugout during games and at-bats? It's an absolute joke.
Vacate titles or the punishment is virtually non-existent.
The whole thing is $h!t.. and honestly, to the degree they've done it, they should be reprimanded very harshly. The problem I have with vacating titles is who gets them? Wouldn't all the teams the Astros beat to get to the Dodgers say "well, if they didn't cheat, we would've been there?"
Cyrus12":3c8hynfi said:Uncle Si":3c8hynfi said:JGfromtheNW":3c8hynfi said:IMO that entire roster/coaching staff/FO is guilty because everyone who was even allowed in/around the dugout was complicit with what was going on. You're telling me a bunch of adult men just didn't ask twice about garbage cans/whistles constantly making noise in the dugout during games and at-bats? It's an absolute joke.
Vacate titles or the punishment is virtually non-existent.
The whole thing is $h!t.. and honestly, to the degree they've done it, they should be reprimanded very harshly. The problem I have with vacating titles is who gets them? Wouldn't all the teams the Astros beat to get to the Dodgers say "well, if they didn't cheat, we would've been there?"
A simple asterisk stating title vacated is sufficient enough. I dont think you can award it to the Dodgers but no way Houston should have their name attached to this .
No one would get the vacated titles. You just have the words “vacated title” with an asterisk in the record book and a footnote explaining why the title was vacated. This would put a stop to this level of cheating.Uncle Si":31fezbkt said:JGfromtheNW":31fezbkt said:IMO that entire roster/coaching staff/FO is guilty because everyone who was even allowed in/around the dugout was complicit with what was going on. You're telling me a bunch of adult men just didn't ask twice about garbage cans/whistles constantly making noise in the dugout during games and at-bats? It's an absolute joke.
Vacate titles or the punishment is virtually non-existent.
The whole thing is $h!t.. and honestly, to the degree they've done it, they should be reprimanded very harshly. The problem I have with vacating titles is who gets them? Wouldn't all the teams the Astros beat to get to the Dodgers say "well, if they didn't cheat, we would've been there?"
Cyrus12":2nk0u92s said:Uncle Si":2nk0u92s said:JGfromtheNW":2nk0u92s said:IMO that entire roster/coaching staff/FO is guilty because everyone who was even allowed in/around the dugout was complicit with what was going on. You're telling me a bunch of adult men just didn't ask twice about garbage cans/whistles constantly making noise in the dugout during games and at-bats? It's an absolute joke.
Vacate titles or the punishment is virtually non-existent.
The whole thing is $h!t.. and honestly, to the degree they've done it, they should be reprimanded very harshly. The problem I have with vacating titles is who gets them? Wouldn't all the teams the Astros beat to get to the Dodgers say "well, if they didn't cheat, we would've been there?"
A simple asterisk stating title vacated is sufficient enough. I dont think you can award it to the Dodgers but no way Houston should have their name attached to this .
LA City Council passed a resolution today asking MLB to award the '17 and '18 WS titles to the Dodgers.Uncle Si":iaje9re0 said:JGfromtheNW":iaje9re0 said:IMO that entire roster/coaching staff/FO is guilty because everyone who was even allowed in/around the dugout was complicit with what was going on. You're telling me a bunch of adult men just didn't ask twice about garbage cans/whistles constantly making noise in the dugout during games and at-bats? It's an absolute joke.
Vacate titles or the punishment is virtually non-existent.
The whole thing is shit.. and honestly, to the degree they've done it, they should be reprimanded very harshly. The problem I have with vacating titles is who gets them? Wouldn't all the teams the Astros beat to get to the Dodgers say "well, if they didn't cheat, we would've been there?"
XxXdragonXxX":rgg5mm3b said:Usually when a title is vacated, it goes to nobody. History books would show no championship in those seasons.
Uncle Si":10kdfk09 said:XxXdragonXxX":10kdfk09 said:Usually when a title is vacated, it goes to nobody. History books would show no championship in those seasons.
When has this happened in a major sport? Genuinely curious. College football?
Not sure if it’s happened in professional sports. As Maul mentioned it’s happened in college a couple of times.Uncle Si":3kkjgmwj said:XxXdragonXxX":3kkjgmwj said:Usually when a title is vacated, it goes to nobody. History books would show no championship in those seasons.
When has this happened in a major sport? Genuinely curious. College football?
Yeah I think you're right. I think Manfred is dropping the ball here. He should be dropping the hammer instead.Sports Hernia":yhzfq08j said:Sounds like MLB is not going to strip Houston of their World Series titles.
Game On! All of the teams might as well cheat now. It’s worth it even if you get caught as
Long as you can keep the championship. MLB simply wants this to go away....... it won’t.
Cyrus12":dd01ln96 said:It sets a bad precedent if the Astros are still reveered as champions for those seasons. They have to acknowledge the scandal somehow...show some balls unlike the NFL did with the Patriots.