Aaron Rodgers?

[Appyhawk]

Schneider desperately needs some leverage on his begarthon with team Darnold.

If it were down to those two that would be one of very few times I would be all in for Darnold.

 

[Maelstrom787]

DK and Geno weren’t premier players that came at a premier price. This team has not won a division since 2020, 5 years ago.

This team has needed a reset for a long time now. I’d argue the time for that was back in 2021 when we decided to move on from Russ.

It is clear that other teams and the NFL at large didn’t view our “premier players” like we the fans did.

Seattle has needed this for awhile, though I’m not sure I trust John Schneider to build this team up.

I don't see how we NEEDED a reset when we were clearly on the upswing and simple offensive retooling would give us a chance to improve on a 10 win season.

I don't think they even wanted this with either Geno or DK. I think they just lost control of the situation with them each respectively.

Also, the NFL does seem to view our premier players as such, given the fact that one of them just got a massive contract immediately and the other appears to be in line for the contract he wanted here.

I'm sorry, but this obviously wasn't their plan, and if it was - all this crap about signing Darnold or Rodgers doesn't make a lick of sense. It's not rebuilding then. It's paying new stopgaps.

 

[Streamhawk]

I don't see how we NEEDED a reset when we were clearly on the upswing and simple offensive retooling would give us a chance to improve on a 10 win season.

I don't think they even wanted this with either Geno or DK. I think they just lost control of the situation with them each respectively.

Also, the NFL does seem to view our premier players as such, given the fact that one of them just got a massive contract immediately and the other appears to be in line for the contract he wanted here.

I'm sorry, but this obviously wasn't their plan, and if it was - all this crap about signing Darnold or Rodgers doesn't make a lick of sense. It's not rebuilding then. It's paying new stopgaps.

We also just saved ~$50 million in those trades. So maybe we can we can spend some $ in trenches and still have an ascending top 5 defense

 

[Natethegreat]

I don't see how we NEEDED a reset when we were clearly on the upswing and simple offensive retooling would give us a chance to improve on a 10 win season.

I don't think they even wanted this with either Geno or DK. I think they just lost control of the situation with them each respectively.

Also, the NFL does seem to view our premier players as such, given the fact that one of them just got a massive contract immediately and the other appears to be in line for the contract he wanted here.

I'm sorry, but this obviously wasn't their plan, and if it was - all this crap about signing Darnold or Rodgers doesn't make a lick of sense. It's not rebuilding then. It's paying new stopgaps.

Rodgers is 100% a stopgap. Darnold is not necessarily a stop gap. It is possible he is the answer. I don't think it will be but I do think it is in the realm of possibility.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I don't see how we NEEDED a reset when we were clearly on the upswing and simple offensive retooling would give us a chance to improve on a 10 win season.

I don't think they even wanted this with either Geno or DK. I think they just lost control of the situation with them each respectively.

Also, the NFL does seem to view our premier players as such, given the fact that one of them just got a massive contract immediately and the other appears to be in line for the contract he wanted here.

I'm sorry, but this obviously wasn't their plan, and if it was - all this crap about signing Darnold or Rodgers doesn't make a lick of sense. It's not rebuilding then. It's paying new stopgaps.

Nobody was willing to give said player more than a second despite being in his 20s, Geno was shipped away for a third.

This team only won that last game because the Rams rested their starters. This team followed the same exact arc as every other Seahawks team.

You pay Geno and DK all of the sudden you have 80+ million tied to two guys that are second tier at their position.

What do you think happens afterwards? You have to start cutting, trading and getting rid of some guys.

It’s all a balancing act and the two guys we got rid of were not worth the current market rates in proportion to their skill.

 

[Ozzy]

I sort of shocked people thing John was shellshocked as if he didn’t have a plan A,B and probably C. You really don’t think he knew Geno may push is way out? Of course he did and he was ready if they did which is why the trade happened so fast.

Spin per usual is spot on.

 

[Hawkpower]

I don't see how we NEEDED a reset when we were clearly on the upswing and simple offensive retooling would give us a chance to improve on a 10 win season.

I don't think they even wanted this with either Geno or DK. I think they just lost control of the situation with them each respectively.

Also, the NFL does seem to view our premier players as such, given the fact that one of them just got a massive contract immediately and the other appears to be in line for the contract he wanted here.

I'm sorry, but this obviously wasn't their plan, and if it was - all this crap about signing Darnold or Rodgers doesn't make a lick of sense. It's not rebuilding then. It's paying new stopgaps.

One, I think you're overstating how close this team was. Putting too much faith in the "Grubb was the problem" camp. It was a personnel problem just as much.

Two, They absolutely wanted this, and were handed a gift when not only Geno and DK forced their way out, but were given decent draft capital in return

As spin said, Geno and DK are nice, second tier players. You don't tie up big money in those guys if you have dreams of winning a championship. This team has too many other holes in areas of critical need. Take the cash, draft capital, and build the team right

 

[HawkeyGoalie]

If JSis seriously considering old and washed-up Aaron Rogers then JS might as well leave no stone unturned and scour local nursing homes for a bingo or bridge champion as a QB conversion project.

 

[Maulbert]

Just shoot me if this happens.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not happening. Meh burger

 

[SoulfishHawk]

If JSis seriously considering old and washed-up Aaron Rogers then JS might as well leave no stone unturned and scour local nursing homes for a bingo or bridge champion as a QB conversion project.

Because a report said it? Stop being so gullible.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

One, I think you're overstating how close this team was. Putting too much faith in the "Grubb was the problem" camp. It was a personnel problem just as much.

Two, They absolutely wanted this, and were handed a gift when not only Geno and DK forced their way out, but were given decent draft capital in return

As spin said, Geno and DK are nice, second tier players. You don't tie up big money in those guys if you have dreams of winning a championship. This team has too many other holes in areas of critical need. Take the cash, draft capital, and build the team right

Don't bother....trust me on this one.

 

[toffee]

If it were down to those two that would be one of very few times I would be all in for Darnold.

I am all in on Howell,

 

[Maelstrom787]

Don't bother....trust me on this one.

Feel free to PM me if you have something to say.

 

[toffee]

As spin said, Geno and DK are nice, second tier players.

Brady, Tomlin, Chip Kelly humbly beg to differ and they put their $$$$$$ on their opinions.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I sort of shocked people thing John was shellshocked as if he didn’t have a plan A,B and probably C. You really don’t think he knew Geno may push is way out? Of course he did and he was ready if they did which is why the trade happened so fast.

Spin per usual is spot on.

We're talking about the same GM who has been caught with his pants down on the OL for the better part of a decade and who fumbled so hard on replacing Frank Clark's pass rush that we took LJ Collier in the first and openly admitted directly afterward it was a reach pick because of an ill advised trade down - a blunder which likely cost us an NFCCG berth in 2019.

Same GM who has squandered massive war chests of money on FA classes that amounted to absolutely nothing as a whole multiple times.

Suddenly he's above criticizing when it seems things haven't quite gone the way he expected? Sure, there are contingency plans. Sometimes they're LJ Collier type decisions to fill holes that you didn't need to dig so deep and so wide. I don't run over nails on purpose in my car just because I have a spare tire.

I've been generally complimentary of John's tenure and I still don't think he's a BAD GM. I don't like the approach right now. That's all there is to it. You guys can all you want and I'm not holding you to agreeing with me.

 

[Hawkpower]

Brady, Tomlin, Chip Kelly humbly beg to differ and they put their $$$$$$ on their opinions.

Desperation causes people to make poor choices at times

DK the 3rd-4th highest paid receiver with like the 24th ranked production?

Not wise

 

[Maelstrom787]

I'm confused on your angle here, other than just general angst though....

By all reports, DK and Geno both wanted out AND wanted big contracts that we all agree (at least in regards to DK) aren't smart at all.

Agree that JS isn't above reproach, but what specifically did you want him to do here?

I would've liked to have seen a real extension for Geno Smith and a trade of DK earlier when his value was higher if John knew that he wasn't going to negotiate with DK early or pay him an acceptable amount on a third contract.

If not a Geno extension, fine - but like, have a a plan present that isn't Sam Howell.

I just don't see proactive decision making or vision here. I'm seeing almost entirely reactive decisions being made and I'm seeing leaks coming out in recent years that make the front office look bad (which I think matters for our league wide perception especially for free agents) like the DK leak on Tyler's day and the Bobby leak (figuring out he was cut before anyone told him). It doesn't feel like they're manifesting a future in their preferred image, it feels like they're bailing water on a leaking ship.

It all fits a pattern that has emerged increasingly with Schneider and top brass over recent years: reactionary team building. Terrible free agent classes. Never proactively fixing the OL. Not having a succession plan at WR (as a unit) when we knew DK/Lockett weren't going to last forever.

They can prove my worries wrong by taking measured moves to fix the offensive line, showing some sort of plan at QB, and forming a real signature team identity that permeates throughout the organization at all levels, from draft philosophy to free agency acquisitions to a cohesive on-field identity on both sides of the ball.

They can prove my worries to be well-founded by... well, giving us a classic JS free agency class where we blow our wad on an old guard to be terrible but play every snap, a middling center to beat out our draftee in camp, and a few role players that are overpaid by 3 million a year each who end up playing 72 snaps all year. When we've cleared a bunch of cap in prior years, that's usually how its been spent.

 

[Rat]

100% it would me. I LOVE my Hawks, but if this cockknocker joins the team, I'm boycotting the Hawks for the year.

Same. I will not root for a team being led by that man. If others are either not as repulsed by him as I am, or can say it's just football and separate the man from the player, that's fine, I'm not going to tell others how to fan, but Seahawks football is one of my biggest escapes, and cancerous people like him, who push dangerous views and make things worse for everyone, are among what I most need to escape. This is supposed to be entertainment. Seeing our success become dependent on that insufferable ***** would not be entertaining for me. I'm not committing my limited hobby time towards watching that.

I hope this all ends up not mattering and he either retires or goes to a team I already hate.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Feel free to PM me if you have something to say.

No thanks. Geno is gone. It's a good thing. I'm happy. Good enough for me.