"4th and 1 - just get the points!"

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Tired of hearing how if we'd kicked a field goal on that 4th and 1 we would have been ahead by 4 points at the end of the game.

I'm not even going to get into BREAKING THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM or THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT

but just listening to the radio over lunch I've heard a couple morons call in and claim this would be the case.

Does anyone honestly believe that if we kicked a field goal there that everything else plays out EXACTLY the same?

That sort of thinking is childish and naive, I can't believe some people really think that way.
 

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We lost to a good team on the road. That said, next time I would hope we take the points. Get on the board, slowly build some momentum.
 

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Grantland had the numbers today in Barnwell's write-up. Where we were etc it yields on average something like 2.6 or 2.8 pts if we go for the kick. It yields over 3 (Can't remember but think it was 4.6) when you go for it

based on momentum, statistics etc it was the right call to go for it
 

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Hawknballs":1ngtnioc said:
Tired of hearing how if we'd kicked a field goal on that 4th and 1 we would have been ahead by 4 points at the end of the game.

I'm not even going to get into BREAKING THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM or THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT

but just listening to the radio over lunch I've heard a couple morons call in and claim this would be the case.

Does anyone honestly believe that if we kicked a field goal there that everything else plays out EXACTLY the same?

That sort of thinking is childish and naive, I can't believe some people really think that way.

You're exactly right.

Even if we take the 3 there, at the end of the game on our last scoring drive, we are down 27-24. You know the playcalling would have been more conservative and we may have ended up with a FG to tie instead of having to go all-out to get to the endzone.
 
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HawkFan72":3928rln6 said:
You're exactly right.

Even if we take the 3 there, at the end of the game on our last scoring drive, we are down 27-24. You know the playcalling would have been more conservative and we may have ended up with a FG to tie instead of having to go all-out to get to the endzone.


actually that's completely missing the point. If we kick the 3 the entire rest of the game changes so who knows what the score would have been. You can't change the outcome of one play and then pretend the rest of the game plays out just like it did. Yaknow. Science and all.
 

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just take the points man .
Com on man not saying we win but can you honestly say you shouldn't . That's just flat out stupid that early in the game.
You can argue it all day and it would still be a bone headed call.
But whatever get you through the night.
 

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Those plays are always the ones where you get the first down then it was a fantastic call and if you don't everyone calls you an idiot for not taking the points.

I was fine going for it but I wasn't a fan of the actual call.
 
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hawkfannj":1fzkpin5 said:
just take the points man .
Com on man not saying we win but can you honestly say you shouldn't .


I didn't say we should or shouldn't, i'll leave that up to the coaches.

I'm saying it's naive and childish to assume the rest of the game plays out the same exact way if you change a play in the middle of it.

I shouldn't even have to point this out but there are people apparently waiting on hold to call radio shows and say "If we kick the 3 then that TD puts us up by 4 and they can't kick a FG to win!"
 

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Hawknballs":3uzo3t97 said:
HawkFan72":3uzo3t97 said:
You're exactly right.

Even if we take the 3 there, at the end of the game on our last scoring drive, we are down 27-24. You know the playcalling would have been more conservative and we may have ended up with a FG to tie instead of having to go all-out to get to the endzone.


actually that's completely missing the point. If we kick the 3 the entire rest of the game changes so who knows what the score would have been. You can't change the outcome of one play and then pretend the rest of the game plays out just like it did. Yaknow. Science and all.

The reverse is just as true...even if the game plays out differently, it doesn't mean that taking the FG wouldn't have created a situation where we win. It's a WHAT IF scenario. There are tons of "possible" outcomes. The whole point is that many people felt at the time that a field goal was the better play. That, as you say, would have changed the rest of the game. You can't say, anymore than anyone else can say, with certainty, what the outcome would be. The gripe is still legitimate for those who felt it was the wrong play when it occurred.
 

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Hawknballs":1fyjk8ql said:
hawkfannj":1fyjk8ql said:
just take the points man .
Com on man not saying we win but can you honestly say you shouldn't .


I didn't say we should or shouldn't, i'll leave that up to the coaches.

I'm saying it's naive and childish to assume the rest of the game plays out the same exact way if you change a play in the middle of it.

I shouldn't even have to point this out but there are people apparently waiting on hold to call radio shows and say "If we kick the 3 then that TD puts us up by 4 and they can't kick a FG to win!"
I agree with it doesn't mean the game plays out the same way problably doesn't .but anyone defending that call in any way just doesn't get it. Points are hard to come by on the road in the playoffs . That's my point. Sorry if I hijacked your thread.
 

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If we kick that 3 then ATL uses another 6 seconds for another 30 yard pass and scores a TD instead..

The stats are simple on this - higher point on average by going for it - correct call. I said this elsewhere. Love going for it HATE the playcall on 3rd and 4th down especially with RW and Lynch on the team
 

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mikeak":3vghzrbh said:
If we kick that 3 then ATL uses another 6 seconds for another 30 yard pass and scores a TD instead..

The stats are simple on this - higher point on average by going for it - correct call. I said this elsewhere. Love going for it HATE the playcall on 3rd and 4th down especially with RW and Lynch on the team

I agree with you, and so does Advanced NFL Stats.

I strongly disagree with the play call.

I am one of those people who believes that you should keep the punter/kicker on the bench as much as possible.
 

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screen pass, qb run, long bomb, ANYTHING but the same crap play thats failed like four times in a row when Pete goes for it on 4th and 1
 

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Hawknballs":12yy4y11 said:
HawkFan72":12yy4y11 said:
You're exactly right.

Even if we take the 3 there, at the end of the game on our last scoring drive, we are down 27-24. You know the playcalling would have been more conservative and we may have ended up with a FG to tie instead of having to go all-out to get to the endzone.


actually that's completely missing the point. If we kick the 3 the entire rest of the game changes so who knows what the score would have been. You can't change the outcome of one play and then pretend the rest of the game plays out just like it did. Yaknow. Science and all.

No I was agreeing with your original point. I was just saying EVEN IF things played out exactly the same from the point on, even on that last scoring drive, we would have been in a much different situation and played more conservative.
 

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I agree with the decision to go for it. I disagreed with Lynch being off the field on the third down play, even if it was just as a decoy. Pete was desperately trying to call for a timeout there, but the refs either ignored or just totally missed it.
 
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