49ers taking over Lumen

[Maulbert]

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[Maulbert]

 

[BigMeach]

How do they know what teams fan purchased said ticket? Smells funny

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Well its a new year, and i have faith that all the Hawks Fans in the area or who have season tickets actually go to the game. I went to my first Hawks game in seattle last year and being from California it was expensive for me to take my family. But If I lived in the area I would definitely make a point to go to a couple game each year. I've been to games here in California against LA, and SF but its nothing like Hawks stadium. Im jealous of everyone who has the opportunity to be around so much blue and green. Here's to a new season, and sold-out Seahawk crowd. And last but not least a Forty whiners BEAT DOWN to start the season out right. Go SEEAAHHAAWWKKSS!

 

[Trackhawk]

How do they know what teams fan purchased said ticket? Smells funny

It’s statistical modeling, based on identifying repeat purchasers of tickets.

When they (re)sell a ticket they have the identifying info on both the buyer and the seller.

They can identified individuals who have purchased Niner tickets repeatedly in the past, and people who have repeatedly purchased Seahawks tickets in the past. They can use that to determine who are likely to be Niner fans and who are likely to be Seahawks fans. They may combine that with zip code data for new purchasers to come up with their prediction.

It could be accurate if they have a statistically significant sample size, and if they have accurate, historical info on attendance.

The latter would be the biggest challenge. It isn’t necessary info for the model to work, but it would make it far more likely to be correct.

They’ve made these projections in the past, but I can’t find info on how well they have proved out in reality.

 

[RiverDog]

Your first point with interest in sports declining nationwide, what makes you say that? Is there a metric of some sort saying that it is?
In my opinion, I thought it was increasing. More women are becoming interested in the NFL, fantasy football is still huge, revenue streams for the NFL are still going up. Right? I could be wrong.

Here's some random copies and pastes from various articles on the subject:

Yes, there’s a noticeable decline in sports interest—especially in youth participation—but it’s a nuanced picture.

Here’s what the data and experts are saying:

Youth Sports Are Losing Ground​

• Participation among kids aged 6–12 dropped from 45% in 2008 to just 37% in 2022.
• A study found that only 39% of high school seniors were involved in organized sports, down from nearly 90% in middle school.
• Football, once dominant in the U.S., has seen a sharp drop in youth and high school participation—from 2.5 million players in 2008 to under 1.9 million by 2019.

According to a 2021 study, only 23% of Generation Z describe themselves as passionate sports fans, as opposed to 42% of millennials, 33% of Generation X and 31% of baby boomers.

Further, a sizable 27% of Gen Z describe themselves as “anti-sports,” compared with single-digit percentages from other generations saying the same.

Football in particular, due to the declining participation rates, is heading towards marginalization. Safety issues and costs are turning more and more kids and parents of kids away from participating. It's a complicated game compared to other sports, and if a person hasn't played it and learned the game from the ground up as many of us did, they are less likely to become fans.

Anyhow, it's a good topic and deserving of its own thread.

 

[RiverDog]

Winning is certainly a surefire way to bring fans back...

I think what they're going to do 1st is home in on the ones that sell seats for 100% of games and have been doing it for at least a season. I think what they will find are certain people that have more seats than they need and are using the extras to pay for everything year after year.

I had a co-worker who has 6 season tickets and usually sells the other 4 at every game (To Anyone) because only he and his wife go. Probably still does that to this day. I'd be willing to bet a very decent amount of STH's do this only for a steady extra source of income.

Then, and I think they've done this before...try and figure out STH dummy accounts that really belong to ticket sites. Not sure how they would go about it, I'm not a hacker...but good luck to them if they can.

I'm no lawyer and perhaps someone with legal experience can weigh in, but what business does a sports team have in determining what a person can do with a game ticket they purchased? I could understand it if they prohibited all resales as often times you will see disclaimers on certain products saying Brand X is not available for resale, but once I buy something, it's my personal property to do with as I please.

We discussed this topic before, and someone gave as an example of a person buying a car then altering it with off market equipment, that it could damage the brand name of that vehicle, and that the car manufacturer had the right to determine what a person could and couldn't do to their vehicle after it was purchased. But this analogy does not seem to fit the game ticket scenario.

I agree with you about the dummy accounts, but like you, I don't know how to stop it.

 

[Jerhawk]

Here's some random copies and pastes from various articles on the subject:

Yes, there’s a noticeable decline in sports interest—especially in youth participation—but it’s a nuanced picture.

Here’s what the data and experts are saying:

Youth Sports Are Losing Ground​

• Participation among kids aged 6–12 dropped from 45% in 2008 to just 37% in 2022.
• A study found that only 39% of high school seniors were involved in organized sports, down from nearly 90% in middle school.
• Football, once dominant in the U.S., has seen a sharp drop in youth and high school participation—from 2.5 million players in 2008 to under 1.9 million by 2019.

According to a 2021 study, only 23% of Generation Z describe themselves as passionate sports fans, as opposed to 42% of millennials, 33% of Generation X and 31% of baby boomers.

Further, a sizable 27% of Gen Z describe themselves as “anti-sports,” compared with single-digit percentages from other generations saying the same.

Football in particular, due to the declining participation rates, is heading towards marginalization. Safety issues and costs are turning more and more kids and parents of kids away from participating. It's a complicated game compared to other sports, and if a person hasn't played it and learned the game from the ground up as many of us did, they are less likely to become fans.

Anyhow, it's a good topic and deserving of its own thread.

Oh wow! I appreciate you sharing that, I honestly had no idea. Learned a lot here RiverDog, thank you.

Well, it makes sense then. The younger generations have different hobbies and interests, I didn’t think about that. Plus the danger of head injuries probably had the parents steering these kids away from contact sports like American football.

Great post man thank you.

 

[Atradees]

Billy McHales in Tacoma/federal way is a 9ers bar. 50 people go there for 9ers games. We need a better product as people are selling out locally. That is the truth. They have their own seating area. It's a racause environment.

 

[Kinger95]

Billy McHales in Tacoma/federal way is a 9ers bar. 50 people go there for 9ers games. We need a better product as people are selling out locally. That is the truth. They have their own seating area. It's a racause environment.

If we burn it down they’ll just find somwhere else…

 

[FrodosFinger]

Billy McHales in Tacoma/federal way is a 9ers bar. 50 people go there for 9ers games. We need a better product as people are selling out locally. That is the truth. They have their own seating area. It's a racause environment.

Tacoma and Federal aren’t the same towns. Is it in the middle? There’s a casino and ports and Fife before Federal way

 

[RiverDog]

Oh wow! I appreciate you sharing that, I honestly had no idea. Learned a lot here RiverDog, thank you.

Well, it makes sense then. The younger generations have different hobbies and interests, I didn’t think about that. Plus the danger of head injuries probably had the parents steering these kids away from contact sports like American football.

Great post man thank you.

Thank you for the kind words.

There are so many more entertainment options competing for our leisure time nowadays than when I was growing up in the 50's and 60's when we had just 3 TV channels and board games like Monopoly to pass the time. Football and sports in general have a lot of work to do in attracting and maintaining an audience.

 

[Atradees]

Tacoma and Federal aren’t the same towns. Is it in the middle? There’s a casino and ports and Fife before Federal way

Browns Point

Billymchales.com

Great drinks except they pour weak and have a bunch of 9ers fans in gear.

Was ok neighborhood except the crime blocks away. Murders and robberies. Moved Eastside after that. Tacoma, Federal way and Fife all right close. Technically I lived two blocks away from Federal way in Tacoma. Fife was down the road to downtown Tacoma.

I wouldn't choose to live there. The best paying jobs are in Seattle. The commute 1.5 to 3 hours. There is a hub of freeways though.

Bacon wrapped prawns and Chinese pork. Mmm.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Ya'll talking bout other teams invading our realm. What about when we do the same to their realm? Like When we go to Arizona, Green Bay, Dallas, New Orleans, Jax, and more. I have to get them tix somewhere. I have been to Az games a few times. And all the others listed once. And Detroit. Got to use the secondary market somewhere to get to Cincy. Just a second thought.

 

[beaumaris]

Sanctuary City.

 

[warden]

I am old. I have been a Seahawk fan since day one. My first favorite player was David Sims

Seattle fans, especially now a days are as fickle as they come. They claim the are the best thing ever when we are a contender, disappear when we are average. Our fan base will show just how quickly they will be disloyal if we ever went through the early nineties again

I have been a fan since day and a Season ticket holder for over 30 years. It have seen a few things about fan tendencies of the team.

 

[glenwo2]

Interesting. Because there is ad on the top of the 49ers Webzone that says (and I quote): "49ers vs Seahawks tickets available!" Now, clicking on that link does not take me directly to a site that is actually selling tickets to the game this weekend. It's a season-ticket kind of website. The prices ain't cheap either. But, if there are tickets still available for the game at this late of a date, even the nosebleed seats, it does mean you could see a large contingent of 49er fans invading your home space this weekend.

How to put a stop to it? Winning solves a lot of ills. I do not know why the Seahawks have given the keys of the franchise to a player that has bounced around the league like a beach ball. It does not make sense to me. That kind of approach rarely works. But it is essentially what the brain trust has done. Again. Didn't work all that well with Geno. I'm not sure how it will work out with Darnold, either. Perhaps Milroe will be the answer? But, if that's the case, why isn't he starting? Why Darnold?

As for the 49ers, Darnold is facing a really young defense. Those can get carved up early in the season. The kids are not great right off the bat. They might get better as the season goes on. But, in game one? I would say that Seattle has the advantage. But, time will tell.

So you need another refresher course on "Darnold beating the Niners" 101 again, I see....

 

[FrodosFinger]

Sam destroyed the 69ers last year throwing absolute lasers all game long

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I am old. I have been a Seahawk fan since day one. My first favorite player was David Sims

Seattle fans, especially now a days are as fickle as they come. They claim the are the best thing ever when we are a contender, disappear when we are average. Our fan base will show just how quickly they will be disloyal if we ever went through the early nineties again

I have been a fan since day and a Season ticket holder for over 30 years. It have seen a few things about fan tendencies of the team.

Some, not all. Plenty of diehards still left.

 

[Trackhawk]

I'm no lawyer and perhaps someone with legal experience can weigh in, but what business does a sports team have in determining what a person can do with a game ticket they purchased? I could understand it if they prohibited all resales as often times you will see disclaimers on certain products saying Brand X is not available for resale, but once I buy something, it's my personal property to do with as I please.

We discussed this topic before, and someone gave as an example of a person buying a car then altering it with off market equipment, that it could damage the brand name of that vehicle, and that the car manufacturer had the right to determine what a person could and couldn't do to their vehicle after it was purchased. But this analogy does not seem to fit the game ticket scenario.

I agree with you about the dummy accounts, but like you, I don't know how to stop it.

I looked up some of the case law on this before, but I’m not in a place to find it right now. I remember being surprised at some of the legalities of what can and can’t be done post sale.

I do remember making the point that, even if they weren’t allowed to make post-sale restrictions after the fact, there is nothing to prevent them from adding terms and conditions to future sales, even for long-term STH’s who signed under previous terms and conditions.

Even if they can’t force you to use your tickets in a specific manner after they have completed the sale, they can refuse to sell tickets to you in the future, if they don’t like what you did with them in the past, e.g. refusing to renew your season tickets.