10 million $ bet AGAINST the HAWKS.

[andyh64000]

When all the money is on one team but the line doesn't move...usually that is bad news for the team the public loves.

Stop.

Maybe it's not Andy that needs to stop?

You've suggested earlier in the thread that 2.5 was the number that is getting even money. I don't think that's true. Even if it is-that doesn't begin to make up for all the money the books have taken from Denver supporters. Clearly the books aren't desperate, yet, to get even money on the game. They can beat the public just like they did with the NFC Championship, when the public bet on the 49ers.

And do you really think Seattle bettors would care about the difference between SEA +2, and SEA +2.5? Really, what are the odds that Denver wins by two points? You should know the points will almost surely not come into play below the key number of 3.

And why haven't the books moved the line to that key number of 3? Which would certainly entice the public to start betting on Seattle? Because they're scared to death of a Billy Walters coming in and betting Seattle BIG at that key number.

Now, if the Floyd bet is real, even the big books would then want to even out that money, and would welcome a Billy Walters or other big sharp wager on Seattle. But having to move the line to Seattle +6 to make that happen? Really? And you think the books would have to worry about getting middled at SEA+10? Anyone in their right mind who got Denver at + anything would be betting at Seattle +6 to go for a middle. Even Seattle at +4.5 would be incredibly attractive to the sharps, and would likely be enough to make a major dent into a $10 million bet from Floyd.

My gawd where do you people come from?

You've not presented yourself in a manner that makes me feel compelled to educate you. Your post is as stupid as the last guy's and based on the crap you just wrote, you have a long ways to go before I'd even consider you an amateur.

The ONLY reason I talk gambling here is to keep people from listening to people like yourself...and frankly, I'm over it and will do so no longer.

If I were you, I'd stick with pull tabs, slot machines and the lottery.

Do you think Vegas really only moves the line based on how much money is bet on each team? What do you think is happening the money is way out of balance yet the line stays the same? Right now almost 70% of bettors are on Denver. I take that as a VERY good sign for the Seahawks. How do you interpret that?

 

[ClumsyLurk]

I'm definitely more nervous for the game than Floyd, I gotta relax and start drinking

 

[BlackDiamondHawk]

Don't understand a lot of things about gambling, but my question at the moment is...... If one bettor placed a 10 million dollar bet with one book, how would that effect the other books? Do they try to standardize the line? Don't understand the usual uniformity of the spread versus individual book action.

 

[HawkWow]

Do you think Vegas really only moves the line based on how much money is bet on each team? What do you think is happening the money is way out of balance yet the line stays the same? Right now almost 70% of bettors are on Denver. I take that as a VERY good sign for the Seahawks. How do you interpret that?

Andy, I hate to answer a question with a question but let's take this 1 step at a time ..

why, my friend, do you believe 70% of the money is currently on Denver? I am not being sarcastic in asking...I genuinely want to know. Because if this is something you know as fact, I am the student here.

 

[andyh64000]

Do you think Vegas really only moves the line based on how much money is bet on each team? What do you think is happening the money is way out of balance yet the line stays the same? Right now almost 70% of bettors are on Denver. I take that as a VERY good sign for the Seahawks. How do you interpret that?

Andy, I hate to answer a question with a question but let's take this 1 step at a time ..

why, my friend, do you believe 70% of the money is currently on Denver? I am not being sarcastic in asking...I genuinely want to know. Because if this is something you know as fact, I am the student here.

Covers http://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/nfl/matchups/g1_summary_2.html is a very good indicator (sample size is plenty large enough to be within a small margin of error).

 

[HawkWow]

Kind of a cool site bro. I like the way they have many indicators condensed in a tight area. Saves a lot of hunting around. When I first starting getting real serious (90ish). I didn't know much about computers and thought the USA today sports page was the coolest thing in the world and would likely be my key to riches. ; )

I was checking out the site and Mrs Wow, who's monitor is next to mine, starting getting curious as to why I was looking at it, so I went back to animal porn to throw her off my tracks. I'm kidding. Half kidding. She will be watching me a bit over the next few days and while she trusts me, it's understandable, and I'm cool with it. We met right after the Hawks were last in the SB so makes sense that she would be weary of me betting this one. I won't. I no longer have to. ; )

Anyway, without the ability to get too deep into your site, I did see the graphic..Denver 68% Seattle 32%. There were some attached numbers that I didn't spend much time with but are you certain they are talking dollars bet? Or do you think they were saying this is the ratio of people picking sides...spread and straight up? Cuz I have to assume it's the latter, as I have no idea how anyone could possibly know how much money is being wagered on the game. Vegas is not required to post such things and I've never known the amounts (or cared, actually) until it was published after the event. Am I missing something? Also...does this site sell any particular service including picks or advertising for betting sites / picks, etc.?

 

[andyh64000]

Kind of a cool site bro. I like the way they have many indicators condensed in a tight area. Saves a lot of hunting around. When I first starting getting real serious (90ish). I didn't know much about computers and thought the USA today sports page was the coolest thing in the world and would likely be my key to riches. ; )

I was checking out the site and Mrs Wow, who's monitor is next to mine, starting getting curious as to why I was looking at it, so I went back to animal porn to throw her off my tracks. I'm kidding. Half kidding. She will be watching me a bit over the next few days and while she trusts me, it's understandable, and I'm cool with it. We met right after the Hawks were last in the SB so makes sense that she would be weary of me betting this one. I won't. I no longer have to. ; )

Anyway, without the ability to get too deep into your site, I did see the graphic..Denver 68% Seattle 32%. There were some attached numbers that I didn't spend much time with but are you certain they are talking dollars bet? Or do you think they were saying this is the ratio of people picking sides...spread and straight up? Cuz I have to assume it's the latter, as I have no idea how anyone could possibly know how much money is being wagered on the game. Vegas is not required to post such things and I've never known the amounts (or cared, actually) until it was published after the event. Am I missing something? Also...does this site sell any particular service including picks or advertising for betting sites / picks, etc.?

You are right...it is ratio and not dollars but it is still a good indicator. I think this site makes money on advertising but doesn't specifically sell anything directly.

 

[HawkWow]

Don't understand a lot of things about gambling, but my question at the moment is...... If one bettor placed a 10 million dollar bet with one book, how would that effect the other books? Do they try to standardize the line? Don't understand the usual uniformity of the spread versus individual book action.

They have the option of laying their bets off onto other casinos. But IF Floyd walks into a casino and drops 10 mil on a game, he's not going into the IMperial Palace, he's going into a big sportsbook (Caesars, Wynn, MGM etc) that may or ay not keep the bet for themselves, depending on when Floyd makes the bet. Like, if he walks in 20 minutes before kick off, they are on the phones with other books and their own bosses. If it's today, they may feel, after adjusting the line, that they can bring that 10 mil in on Seattle and keep it all.

As I've said, books do everything they can to balance their intake, but it's not like there has never been a time when a book didn't get greedy and going off a (educated) hunch, took more action on one side than the other. But it has to be understood, this is a business for them and they do answer to share holders. Lose and chances are good they will be terminated.

Previously I stated that the only way a book can lose is by being middled. That is not entirely true 9(ust true to me). I don't play parlays, teasers, futures etc but books can also lose on these. But their odds are so great of winning, a loss really isn't a loss in the bigger picture. IE. Jim lays a 3 team parlay that pays 6-1 and hits it. That looks like a loss, except 20 other people also played that parlay but lost.

 

[HawkWow]

Kind of a cool site bro. I like the way they have many indicators condensed in a tight area. Saves a lot of hunting around. When I first starting getting real serious (90ish). I didn't know much about computers and thought the USA today sports page was the coolest thing in the world and would likely be my key to riches. ; )

I was checking out the site and Mrs Wow, who's monitor is next to mine, starting getting curious as to why I was looking at it, so I went back to animal porn to throw her off my tracks. I'm kidding. Half kidding. She will be watching me a bit over the next few days and while she trusts me, it's understandable, and I'm cool with it. We met right after the Hawks were last in the SB so makes sense that she would be weary of me betting this one. I won't. I no longer have to. ; )

Anyway, without the ability to get too deep into your site, I did see the graphic..Denver 68% Seattle 32%. There were some attached numbers that I didn't spend much time with but are you certain they are talking dollars bet? Or do you think they were saying this is the ratio of people picking sides...spread and straight up? Cuz I have to assume it's the latter, as I have no idea how anyone could possibly know how much money is being wagered on the game. Vegas is not required to post such things and I've never known the amounts (or cared, actually) until it was published after the event. Am I missing something? Also...does this site sell any particular service including picks or advertising for betting sites / picks, etc.?

You are right...it is ratio and not dollars but it is still a good indicator. I think this site makes money on advertising but doesn't specifically sell anything directly.

Hey bro...with all respect, it's not good indicator. I looked at it a bit more. Unsure of your experience level and I don't want to insult you. But don't come to any conclusions based on what you are reading there. There's many more posters there that haven't a clue than do. Our minds are very tricky things. You may read the advice of someone that knows of what they are speaking, but not saying what you want to hear, so you elect to go with the person that says what you want to hear ("Seattle...automatic!") even though they are clueless. It's human nature and VERY smart people are guilty of this.

Further...here's the deal. They have a bunch of posters in there talking gibberish with their systems, ideology, "trends" etc. The stuff is bouncing all over the place. It's masterful, actually. By the time the average person sifts through all the sh*t, they are more perplexed than when they started. That's IF they resisted to just go with something they wanted to hear. So with head swimming...BOOM here comes the ads for "expert picks" for sale.

Now check this out...this is how the "expert picks" work. 100 callers call the 900 number of the service. Some fast talking dipsh*t answers and tells you how great they are, per script. He takes your credit card and sells you their mega bing bong wooohooo steam play for 100 bucks. Their pick "SEATTLE plus the points"! You hang up and the next guy calls and they tell him "GO DENVER LAY THE POINTS". you see what they've done?

50 will be stoked with these wizards and tell all their friends.. the other 50? Meh, who cares?

Hope this helped.

 

[andyh64000]

Kind of a cool site bro. I like the way they have many indicators condensed in a tight area. Saves a lot of hunting around. When I first starting getting real serious (90ish). I didn't know much about computers and thought the USA today sports page was the coolest thing in the world and would likely be my key to riches. ; )

I was checking out the site and Mrs Wow, who's monitor is next to mine, starting getting curious as to why I was looking at it, so I went back to animal porn to throw her off my tracks. I'm kidding. Half kidding. She will be watching me a bit over the next few days and while she trusts me, it's understandable, and I'm cool with it. We met right after the Hawks were last in the SB so makes sense that she would be weary of me betting this one. I won't. I no longer have to. ; )

Anyway, without the ability to get too deep into your site, I did see the graphic..Denver 68% Seattle 32%. There were some attached numbers that I didn't spend much time with but are you certain they are talking dollars bet? Or do you think they were saying this is the ratio of people picking sides...spread and straight up? Cuz I have to assume it's the latter, as I have no idea how anyone could possibly know how much money is being wagered on the game. Vegas is not required to post such things and I've never known the amounts (or cared, actually) until it was published after the event. Am I missing something? Also...does this site sell any particular service including picks or advertising for betting sites / picks, etc.?

You are right...it is ratio and not dollars but it is still a good indicator. I think this site makes money on advertising but doesn't specifically sell anything directly.

Hey bro...with all respect, it's not good indicator. I looked at it a bit more. Unsure of your experience level and I don't want to insult you. But don't come to any conclusions based on what you are reading there. There's many more posters there that haven't a clue than do. Our minds are very tricky things. You may read the advice of someone that knows of what they are speaking, but not saying what you want to hear, so you elect to go with the person that says what you want to hear ("Seattle...automatic!") even though they are clueless. It's human nature and VERY smart people are guilty of this.

Further...here's the deal. They have a bunch of posters in there talking gibberish with their systems, ideology, "trends" etc. The stuff is bouncing all over the place. It's masterful, actually. By the time the average person sifts through all the sh*t, they are more perplexed than when they started. That's IF they resisted to just go with something they wanted to hear. So with head swimming...BOOM here comes the ads for "expert picks" for sale.

Now check this out...this is how the "expert picks" work. 100 callers call the 900 number of the service. Some fast talking dipsh*t answers and tells you how great they are, per script. He takes your credit card and sells you their mega bing bong wooohooo steam play for 100 bucks. Their pick "SEATTLE plus the points"! You hang up and the next guy calls and they tell him "GO DENVER LAY THE POINTS". you see what they've done?

50 will be stoked with these wizards and tell all their friends.. the other 50? Meh, who cares?

Hope this helped.

Yeah I don't pay any attention to any of the gibberish but the thousands of picks does give a pretty good indication of the betting public since the overwhelming majority who are there are squares. A sample size that large (several thousand) is scientifically sufficient.

 

[HawkWow]

Kind of a cool site bro. I like the way they have many indicators condensed in a tight area. Saves a lot of hunting around. When I first starting getting real serious (90ish). I didn't know much about computers and thought the USA today sports page was the coolest thing in the world and would likely be my key to riches. ; )

I was checking out the site and Mrs Wow, who's monitor is next to mine, starting getting curious as to why I was looking at it, so I went back to animal porn to throw her off my tracks. I'm kidding. Half kidding. She will be watching me a bit over the next few days and while she trusts me, it's understandable, and I'm cool with it. We met right after the Hawks were last in the SB so makes sense that she would be weary of me betting this one. I won't. I no longer have to. ; )

Anyway, without the ability to get too deep into your site, I did see the graphic..Denver 68% Seattle 32%. There were some attached numbers that I didn't spend much time with but are you certain they are talking dollars bet? Or do you think they were saying this is the ratio of people picking sides...spread and straight up? Cuz I have to assume it's the latter, as I have no idea how anyone could possibly know how much money is being wagered on the game. Vegas is not required to post such things and I've never known the amounts (or cared, actually) until it was published after the event. Am I missing something? Also...does this site sell any particular service including picks or advertising for betting sites / picks, etc.?

You are right...it is ratio and not dollars but it is still a good indicator. I think this site makes money on advertising but doesn't specifically sell anything directly.

Hey bro...with all respect, it's not good indicator. I looked at it a bit more. Unsure of your experience level and I don't want to insult you. But don't come to any conclusions based on what you are reading there. There's many more posters there that haven't a clue than do. Our minds are very tricky things. You may read the advice of someone that knows of what they are speaking, but not saying what you want to hear, so you elect to go with the person that says what you want to hear ("Seattle...automatic!") even though they are clueless. It's human nature and VERY smart people are guilty of this.

Further...here's the deal. They have a bunch of posters in there talking gibberish with their systems, ideology, "trends" etc. The stuff is bouncing all over the place. It's masterful, actually. By the time the average person sifts through all the sh*t, they are more perplexed than when they started. That's IF they resisted to just go with something they wanted to hear. So with head swimming...BOOM here comes the ads for "expert picks" for sale.

Now check this out...this is how the "expert picks" work. 100 callers call the 900 number of the service. Some fast talking dipsh*t answers and tells you how great they are, per script. He takes your credit card and sells you their mega bing bong wooohooo steam play for 100 bucks. Their pick "SEATTLE plus the points"! You hang up and the next guy calls and they tell him "GO DENVER LAY THE POINTS". you see what they've done?

50 will be stoked with these wizards and tell all their friends.. the other 50? Meh, who cares?

Hope this helped.

Yeah I don't pay any attention to any of the gibberish but the thousands of picks does give a pretty good indication of the betting public since the overwhelming majority who are there are squares. A sample size that large (several thousand) is scientifically sufficient.

Only if they're actually betting, bro.

 

[pmedic920]

 

[ClumsyLurk]

nice!
Would be better if u shpped his face over the worlds most interesting man pose

 

[pmedic920]

nice!
Would be better if u shpped his face over the worlds most interesting man pose

Not my work, can't take credit.

 

[ClumsyLurk]

nice!
Would be better if u shpped his face over the worlds most interesting man pose

Not my work, can't take credit.

booooooo

 

[Gametime]

Man......what a silly decision

Sincerely, Mike Tyson.

 

[HawkWow]

...or was it all a smoke screen with PBF actually betting Seattle?

 

[pmedic920]

The plot thickens......hummmm

 

[HawkWow]

...

 

[Always Fierce]

On paper, this should be a fairly easy win for Denver.