Geno Restructure?

Titus Pullo said:

Saving 4.8 million on this year's dead cap number wasn't necessary unless there was someone specific, they were making room for.

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It had zero impact on dead cap number this year.

They SAVED 4.8 million ACTIVE this year, by adding 4.8 dead NEXT year.

Today's deal
2024: +4.8 cap
2025: - 4.8 cap
Geno: same 9.6 either way unless he was cut before 03/18

CactusJack said:

John definitely shares part of the blame. Afterall, he's the one pulling the trigger on deals.

I put most of the blame on Pete when it came to gamedays. Not fully evolving as a coach.

But when it comes to the draft, trades & free agent signings, John definitely plays a big part. Always has.

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Not just not evolving regarding Pete, he was way too loyal to assistant coaches, I think everyone can agree.

John absolutely has always played a role as has Pete with regards to player choice/movement.

There's quite literally a chance I'm making this up, but I've always kind of gotten the impression that Pete was more in charge of personnel choices, while John was more in charge of trying to figure out how to land it financially.

Really need to emphasize that this is an assumption, and that I absolutely believe they operated together SIGNIFICANTLY more often than not.

I don't think at any point Pete told John that he needed to find a way to acquire Jamal against John's judgement as some here would have you believe though. And I don't think the 1st round draft day trades were solely John's fault....

I think they both got too cute

CactusJack said:

Spoiler: They're trying to win now, not in 3 years.

This is how NFL teams/FO's operate. They're not trying to actively put out a worse product. They want to win & keep their jobs. This isn't the NBA or other sports, where tanking is a real thing. So yes, they're going to try & win as many games as possible this year, with or without Geno.

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Then they're never gonna be any damn good.

bigcc said:

Not just not evolving regarding Pete, he was way too loyal to assistant coaches, I think everyone can agree.

John absolutely has always played a role as has Pete with regards to player choice/movement.

There's quite literally a chance I'm making this up, but I've always kind of gotten the impression that Pete was more in charge of personnel choices, while John was more in charge of trying to figure out how to land it financially.

Really need to emphasize that this is an assumption, and that I absolutely believe they operated together SIGNIFICANTLY more often than not.

I don't think at any point Pete told John that he needed to find a way to acquire Jamal against John's judgement as some here would have you believe though.

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Agreed.

My belief is that John had a bigger hand over the draft process. Along with the scouts. But Pete definitely had a huge influence on player acquisition.

In order for this team to make significant strides, Pete the coach, needed to go.

bigcc said:

It had zero impact on dead cap number this year.

They SAVED 4.8 million ACTIVE this year, by adding 4.8 dead NEXT year.

Today's deal
2024: +4.8 cap
2025: - 4.8 cap
Geno: same 9.6 either way unless he was cut before 03/18

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Misworded but my post means the same.
Seahawks save 4.8 million on this year's Cap just not Dead Cap.

bigcc said:

Sorry, I was letting previous discussions leak into this one.

I'd healthily disagree though, and you don't need to look any further than wr cap hit this year vs the previous two.

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I gotcha.

Don't get me wrong, there are instances of them pushing cap, for sure. I just think that, on average, they take a pretty traditional approach compared to most other franchises. They're in a good spot for future years. This year is a little nasty, but they're flexible going forward and will have the war chest to make some key acquisitions as they build the team out.

Parallax said:

Then they're never gonna be any damn good.

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I think they can eventually. Especially with Macdonald now on board. Coaching is a huge factor. I see Macdonald being a really good one.

They have to find their next QB at some point. But things are starting to fall in place with this new staff.

CactusJack said:

Agreed.

My belief is that John had a bigger hand over the draft process. Along with the scouts. But Pete definitely had a huge influence on player acquisition.

In order for this team to make significant strides, Pete the coach, needed to go.

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This makes the most sense to me. In season, Pete saying "god dang it, this team needs so and so" and letting JS handle the majority of draft decisions.

Parallax said:

Then they're never gonna be any damn good.

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That's the rub isn't it lol.

John is under significantly more stress to perform immediately than Macdonald.

John needs to win now, Mac doesn't, and regardless of pete/John who did what debate, I don't think John being more keen in immediate results is even remotely questionable

bigcc said:

That's the rub isn't it lol.

John is under significantly more stress to perform immediately than Macdonald.

John needs to win now, Mac doesn't, and regardless of pete/John who did what debate, I don't think John being more keen in immediate results is even remotely questionable

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I doubt his job would be at risk with a down year or two. Jody's not that kind of owner.

Also.... Being barely under the cap doesn't leave room to pay for Lock and other free agents.

I imagine a decent backup QB will be paid around 5 to 6 million.

I don't see where that money will come from.

As of now, I would assume that one of the QBs on the 2024 roster will be paid from the projected draft pool.

bigcc said:

That's the rub isn't it lol.

John is under significantly more stress to perform immediately than Macdonald.

John needs to win now, Mac doesn't, and regardless of pete/John who did what debate, I don't think John being more keen in immediate results is even remotely questionable

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John's future tenure will depend on Geno's ability to learn a new system and perform better than he did in 2022....IMO

However, coaches get fired all the time after only one year. Some don't even make through the season.

Maelstrom787 said:

I gotcha.

Don't get me wrong, there are instances of them pushing cap, for sure. I just think that, on average, they take a pretty traditional approach compared to most other franchises. They're in a good spot for future years. This year is a little nasty, but they're flexible going forward and will have the war chest to make some key acquisitions as they build the team out.

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Next year is a bit iffy, but yeah I agree I suppose.....


Saints are roughly 75 million (2024) over the cap this year, and 45 over next year (2025), despite having most big names under contract long term

However bad you think it is/can ever get.... It could be multitudes worse lmao

Parallax said:

I doubt his job would be at risk with a down year or two. Jody's not that kind of owner.

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It might be. Doesn't she want to sell the the team?

Parallax said:

I doubt his job would be at risk with a down year or two. Jody's not that kind of owner.

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How long is she going to be owner?

EDIT: I'm agreeing with dude who hasn't regularly watched football since Holmgren so maybe my opinion should be disregarded

bigcc said:

How long is she going to be owner?

EDIT: I'm agreeing with dude who hasn't regularly watched football since Holmgren so maybe my opinion should be disregarded

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. I'm never gonna live that down.

DirectMessage said:

. I'm never gonna live that down.

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I thought the percy harvin trade was the leap over the hump for ring pursuit...

Some might have called me an idiot, but you know what they say about the impact of a butterfly flapping it's wings....

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What makes the most sense is converting the combined $22.3M salary and roster bonus into a $1.3M salary and a $21M signing bonus. That would give the Seahawks $10.5M of 2024 cap space. It doesn't need to be done yet. Technically they could do it after the fact later in the year.

The problem with making a smaller change now is the NFL cracked down on teams making multiple changes to contracts each year.

flv2 said:

What makes the most sense is converting the combined $22.3M salary and roster bonus into a $1.3M salary and a $21M signing bonus.

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Unfortunately (for us), NFLPA would have some VERY choice words about such an arrangement

Titus Pullo said:

Saving 4.8 million on this year's dead cap number wasn't necessary unless there was someone specific, they were making room for.

Without doing anything else, the Seahawks are now under the cap for 2024.

That includes the projected 2024 draft pool numbers but doesn't include any free agent pickups.

I imagine by cutting Adams and someone else, they will have some money to bring in a free agent or two.

Just don't expect that free agent to be Cousins, Mayfield, or someone that carries that big of a price.

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Queen .. Coach Mike is brining Queen and he wants that pot at sweet as possible.