Geno Restructure?

Titus Pullo · Feb 22, 2024

I'm thinking that a higher dead cap number this year would have been more beneficial to Geno.

As of now, Seahawks would take less of a dead cap hit this year and next year's cap limit will rise more than the 4.8 million, so it won't matter too much.

For the most part, it makes it easier to trade Geno this year but even better to move him next year.

Either way, the move gives the Seahawks more flexibility.

DirectMessage · Feb 22, 2024

Hopefully they trade Geno for Mac Jones.

CactusJack · Feb 22, 2024

Pandion Haliaetus said:
What does the post June 1st trade numbers look like?

$12.9 mil in cap savings.

MizzouHawkGal · Feb 22, 2024

I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing to be honest.

Parallax · Feb 22, 2024

I see this as a good thing only if the Hawks trade Geno and now get a higher pick. Perhaps a second instead of a fourth. But it's sounding more like the kind of move we've come to know and loathe under Carroll/Schneider. Short sighted and myopic. Putting all the chips on the table for this year at the expense of the future.

If this isn't a setup for a trade, my support for Schneider is eroding. If it's a way to leverage more draft capital, then I take it back, Schneider's a genius and all's well.

bigcc · Feb 22, 2024

Move assured what already pretty much known in that he wasn't going anywhere this year after the seasons salary was guaranteed (since trade value plummeted)

This move had literally no downside if the team was planning on keeping geno this year, without any downside for next (4.8 against the cap next year vs this means nothing)

Still think we should have cut him before the salary guarantee, but as long as he's not our qb next year I'm good (can't wait for people to stan for a 35 year old qb before his roster guarantee same time next year)

Tldr: if he was always going to be on the team this year it was a wise decision

bigcc · Feb 22, 2024

Doesn't really change anything

He's here this year minimum, but that was pretty much assured after his salary was guaranteed.

This has literally zero impact on how much the seahawks owe geno year to year, but assures geno his home doesn't need to immediately hit the market, and pushes 4.8 mil cap hit this year to next for the seahawks.

If we were operating under the assumption that he was always going to be here this year from the get go, it was a fantastic move.

If we do the same thing next year it's time to fire Schneider, literally.

I would have cut him before the 6th earlier this month, but I won't be furious about keeping him unless we lose leonard due to it.

AgentDib · Feb 22, 2024

Pretty clear evidence that Pete was not solely responsible for the team's short-term moves and borrowing from the future.

It's a small move on it's own, but has worrisome implications. Will we disregard compensatory picks in favor of middling 2024 UFAs? Will we borrow further money from 2025 in the form of post June 1st cuts? Will we avoid developing youth in order to chase 2024 wins? Will we trade draft capital away for veterans on expensive contracts?

DirectMessage · Feb 22, 2024

So if they traded Geno for a QB in his final rookie deal at roughly 4 million this year what would we eat of his contract next year? If he is a Seahawk next year do we eat his total 38 million dollars next year?

Maelstrom787 · Feb 22, 2024

getnasty said:
Really all depends how the money is used but this feels like a Pete kind of move. Like let's create some cap space to add one more peice because we feel were close when really we're years away.

Not a fan of it but like I said if they make a great signing with the extra money then I have no problem being wrong.

They need to create some cap, to be fair. They're in a tremendous spot in future years. They need a little wiggle room here to get stuff together. No sense in saving it all for one offseason.

bigcc · Feb 22, 2024

AgentDib said:
Pretty clear evidence that Pete was not solely responsible for the team's short-term moves and borrowing from the future.

It's a small move on it's own, but has worrisome implications. Will we disregard compensatory picks in favor of middling 2024 UFAs? Will we borrow further money from 2025 in the form of post June 1st cuts? Will we avoid developing youth in order to chase 2024 wins? Will we trade draft capital away for veterans on expensive contracts?

I fully understand where you're coming from, but moves like this don't have much if any implication on the future cap if it's not an extension and there are only two years left.

The rest is terrifying, outside of the last point, bit too mask off for John, but the rest is absolutely real.

John is loyal to his job not the seahawks, and you're an IDIOT if you think otherwise.

5-6 wins right after Pete might cost him his job, 8-9 doesn't with a 1st year coach

Maelstrom787 · Feb 22, 2024

AgentDib said:
Pretty clear evidence that Pete was not solely responsible for the team's short-term moves and borrowing from the future.

It's a small move on it's own, but has worrisome implications. Will we disregard compensatory picks in favor of middling 2024 UFAs? Will we borrow further money from 2025 in the form of post June 1st cuts? Will we avoid developing youth in order to chase 2024 wins? Will we trade draft capital away for veterans on expensive contracts?

This team has largely been quite conservative compared to other winning teams when it comes to kicking money down the road. This is just a reality of the NFL.

I'm not worried about it. The team doesn't have much on the books in their future years because they don't over-use moves like this.

Maelstrom787 · Feb 22, 2024

DirectMessage said:
Hopefully they trade Geno for Mac Jones.

bigcc · Feb 22, 2024

DirectMessage said:
So if they traded Geno for a QB in his final rookie deal at roughly 4 million this year what would we eat of his contract next year? If he is a Seahawk next year do we eat his total 38 million dollars next year?

The only thing this move changed, is the timing of money paid...

Geno is getting paid the same amount by us, only thing (as far as us fans care) that changes is that we have a bit more money to spend this year and a bit less next, unless you really want to get into overly complicated specifics

DirectMessage · Feb 22, 2024

Maelstrom787 said:
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The best that can happen is that Mac Jones puts up a Baker Mayfield like season under Grubb. Does anyone think Geno is taking us to the Superbowl next year? I believe both their contracts are roughly the same next year and then Jones is gone.

bigcc · Feb 22, 2024

DirectMessage said:
The best that can happen is that Mac Jones puts up a Baker Mayfield like season under Grubb. Does anyone think Geno is taking us to the Superbowl next year? I believe both their contracts are roughly the same next year and then Jones is gone.

Damn good point

If the salary cap and even the slightest dose of the rest of reality was a factor but that's neither here nor there

bigcc · Feb 22, 2024

Maelstrom787 said:
This team has largely been quite conservative compared to other winning teams when it comes to kicking money down the road. This is just a reality of the NFL.

I'm not worried about it. The team doesn't have much on the books in their future years because they don't over-use moves like this.

Were they conservative when trading for leonard/harvin/Sheldon/jamal, or were those all Pete and only this counts for Schneider?

Maelstrom787 · Feb 22, 2024

bigcc said:
Were they conservative when trading for leonard/harvin/Sheldon/jamal, or were those all Pete and only this counts for Schneider?

I see we're glossing over the clear "when it comes to kicking money down the road" part of my statement

DirectMessage · Feb 22, 2024

Are the Seahawks really conservative, though? They seemed to be more concerned about being cute, or the smartest guys in the room, tbh. Mostly when it came to the draft. I haven't followed them closely since Holmgren, so I could be wrong.

Maelstrom787 · Feb 22, 2024

DirectMessage said:
The best that can happen is that Mac Jones puts up a Baker Mayfield like season under Grubb. Does anyone think Geno is taking us to the Superbowl next year? I believe both their contracts are roughly the same next year and then Jones is gone.

So you'd want to trade for Jones in the hope that he puts up essentially Geno's 2022 season despite the comment indicating you believe the performance of Geno Smith destroys any possibility of a championship?

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