Leslie Frazier Hired As Assistant HC

Hawknight said:

Gosh darn it

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Yes, golly gee, gosh darn it to heck!

MizzouHawkGal said:

Fair enough but most people admit he probably should have been gone since 2017 or so. I figure if Paul hadn't died and Covid wasn't a thing it would happened around then for sure.

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How about we try to keep this thread about the new hire, please.

pmedic920 said:

How about we try to keep this thread about the new hire, please.

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Agreed.

What I like about Frazier, has played the game on arguably the best defense in history, has been a head coach, has been a successful DC, has ties across the league. Respected and non-controversial. He could also be a fallback option worst case scenario.

chris98251 said:

What I like about Frazier, has played the game on arguably the best defense in history, has been a head coach, has been a successful DC, has ties across the league. Respected and non-controversial. He could also be a fallback option worst case scenario.

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He applied when Pete was hired but you are spot on he's top tier and picked us despite 4 other teams offering the same position. I think this proves we did the right thing with hiring Macdonald.

jammerhawk said:

I really wonder if Leslie Frazier isn’t truly the DC along with being an Assistant HC?

To me this is a great add as Coach Frazier is a very solid coach, and brings a wealth of wisdom and experience to a new staff.

I am very curious about the OC still as yet not chosen, the two candidates being discussed are both very interesting.

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I've looked everywhere and there is no mention of Frazier being the DC. The only reference to his position within the org is assistant head coach.

Most teams don't have an assistant head coach. The last time we had one was when Tom Cable was on our staff, but he was also our offensive line coach. It seems like it's just a title with no real job description, something to stroke an ego or justify a bigger paycheck.

Being that Macdonald's roots are in the defense and that he's hired one of the more respected defensive minds that was available, not to mention he's one of Mac's mentors, it makes the hiring of a bonafide defensive coordinator a moot point. Mac has said that he's going to be the one calling the defensive plays, so with Frazier in the house, what role will/would a defensive coordinator have?

RiverDog said:

I've looked everywhere and there is no mention of Frazier being the DC. The only reference to his position within the org is assistant head coach.

Most teams don't have an assistant head coach. The last time we had one was when Tom Cable was on our staff, but he was also our offensive line coach. It seems like it's just a title with no real job description, something to stroke an ego or justify a bigger paycheck.

Being that Macdonald's roots are in the defense and that he's hired one of the more respected defensive minds that was available, not to mention he's one of Mac's mentors, it makes the hiring of a bonafide defensive coordinator a moot point. Mac has said that he's going to be the one calling the defensive plays, so with Frazier in the house, what role will/would a defensive coordinator have?

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Between the two of them, mentor and grooming a young upcoming defensive minded guru.

Nv_Hawks said:

Between the two of them, mentor and grooming a young upcoming defensive minded guru.

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Yep. Find a young position coach and give him the job. It would be a heck of an opportunity.

Assistant Head Coach, unless another HC job queries about him makes him un poachable.

Maelstrom787 said:

Leslie had his choice of places to go and left a very successful stint with the Bills voluntarily. This is an excellent, excellent hire. Macdonald is obviously respected.

Leslie was a potential head coach for us if we hadn't gotten Carroll in 2010. He's the steady hand Macdonald will need as he transitions into his first head coaching role.

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Excellent hire. I was hoping the Seahawks would have hired him over Hurtt in 2023. I had to wait a bit longer for my wish. Excited to see what is in store for the Seahawk D.

As the AHC, Frazier may not be just focusing on defense. He may have some influence on the offense (from an advisory position) too. He has a connection to Bill Musgrave who is currently a senior offensive assistant with the Browns. His name hasn't been brought up in OC discussion thus far but now that Frazier is in the fold, he may be a darkhorse candidate.

Hiring Frazier should help Macdonald put his staff together. Mac hasn't been around the league for that long and hasn't developed the contacts necessary to throw a wide net in identifying coaching candidates and convincing them to come to work for him. I'm sure that JS has a few contacts, but he's not as in touch with the occupation anywhere close to the same degree that Leslie Frazier is.

Frazier has been coaching in the NFL for 25 years and has obviously developed a lot of contacts that can be made to great use. The other thing is that at 64, he's two generations and 28 years older than Mac, which should help mitigate the perception that the coaching staff is a collection of a bunch of snot nosed kids. It gives the staff some gravitas, says that there's an adult in the house.

RiverDog said:

Hiring Frazier should help Macdonald put his staff together. Mac hasn't been around the league for that long and hasn't developed the contacts necessary to throw a wide net in identifying coaching candidates and convincing them to come to work for him. I'm sure that JS has a few contacts, but he's not as in touch with the occupation anywhere close to the same degree that Leslie Frazier is.

Frazier has been coaching in the NFL for 25 years and has obviously developed a lot of contacts that can be made to great use. The other thing is that at 64, he's two generations and 28 years older than Mac, which should help mitigate the perception that the coaching staff is a collection of a bunch of snot nosed kids. It gives the staff some gravitas, says that there's an adult in the house.

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This is very similar to the model the Rams did with McVay. He was surrounded with coaches, like Wade Phillips, who had tons of NFL experience which led to McVay's early success as HC.

bigcc said:

Maybe, worked out in the end though, I can't recall who was available then, but I doubt they'd be as appealing as Macdonald, at least in my eyes, it really worked out for the best.

I just don't like people slamming Pete, it's one thing to think he stayed too long, it's another to imply he's a bad coach and was carried or something.

Belicheck was utter trash until Tom rolled through, yet I don't see the same fervor from anyone calling him garbage or overrated etc

Pete's responsible for one of the best moments in seattle history, I just don't get the hate

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I was, and still am, a big Pete fan, but the team did the right thing and it was time.

There's a lot of good discussion on this in the "Where did Pete go wrong" thread, and I laid it out in there along with others. Pete screwed himself and the team with impulsive, shiny-object pursuing GM decisions. Then there's the defense going from 1st in league to crap.

Pete sux as GM, one example: Pete arranges the trade for Leonard Williams after Uchenna goes down, sacrifices a 2nd for what, a 10-ish game rental? Someone else pointed out this pattern, that it's propping up Pete's current-season results, at the expense of long-term success. 1) Pete is primarily concerned about how Pete looks at end-season; 2) Pete is delusional about how "close" the team is to being able to make a run.

This mid-season draft-capital sacrifice pattern has been a thing for a few seasons. Clowney, a 3rd rounder plus promising young player Jacob Martin on a rookie contract, too high a price, but damn that 49ers game he wrecked them *almost* made it worth it. Sheldon Richardson for a 2nd, and now Leonard Williams for a 2nd.

Alright, this is a Leslie Frazier thread, back to it. I hope Frazier's availability will help Mac focus intensely on fixing the crap Seattle defense. I think John as GM will get Mac the players he wants and needs, at a fair price, and overall it will be a healthy team leadership structure.

chris98251 said:

What I like about Frazier, has played the game on arguably the best defense in history, has been a head coach, has been a successful DC, has ties across the league. Respected and non-controversial. He could also be a fallback option worst case scenario.

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One might argue that had Carroll hired Leslie, Carroll might still be coaching?

Looking up recent (successful) young first time head coaches, they all had experience to help help guide them. Wade Phillips for Mcvay, I'm sure Kyle talked to his father plenty, also had Jon Embree who left with Mike McDaniel to the Dolphins.

Frazier is a great hire to help Macdonald adjust to the head coach role.

MizzouHawkGal said:

I'm not a hater but Pete had to go and I'm shocked that people are still supporting him.

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They fired him. We were talking about burning his house down too.

MizzouHawkGal said:

I'm not a hater but Pete had to go and I'm shocked that people are still supporting him.

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I'm supporting Pete in his current position and defending him against a lot of very insensitive personal attacks, like calling him Jody's pool boy, taking the keys away from grandpa, et al.

And yes, he had to go. Heck, I wanted him out following the 2021 season.