Fade has been right all along!

What a year its been! Horrible expectations to garenteed playoffs back down to we aint going no where so we might as well tank...WOW!

BUTS NOT OVER...NOT EVEN CLOSE!

Why the rollercoaster? Has it been the rookies starting, old and saggy D-line, Sucky Smith at QB or coaching?

Its not the players on the D, because they were playing lights out at one point...its how they were used.

Hurtt: Try this 3-4, I promise it will work.
Pete: Fine.
Hawks get destroyed

Pete: Nope, we are putting more guys on the line.
Hawks look like Super Bowl Champs
Hurtt: Oh Now I know what I did wrong, try the 3-4, I promise it will work.
Pete: Fine
Hawks get destroyed...again.

It was Pete who green lighted this crap and I can't trust that he won't pull more crap again.

Last 2 points...
1) I had to give up on Russ mid season last year and that was hard...but it was his time. Now, I can see Pete is no longer what is best for the Hawks. Waldron will take his spot next year.

2) I think Pete will be forced to let the 3-4 go by the Front Office. But will it be too little too late?

I think this is what they refer to as the 'okie-doke'.

I don't know why people are blaming the 3-4 front. Our D-Line has been problematic long before we switched to a 3-4 front. In fact the defense has been extremely uneven for years. We haven't been able to string together an entire year of solid defensive play since 2016. In 2021 we were historically bad for over half of the year.

3-4 is not the reason why our defense is struggling and we've been running a 3-4 front for most of the year.

Spin Doctor said:

I don't know why people are blaming the 3-4 front. Our D-Line has been problematic long before we switched to a 3-4 front. In fact the defense has been extremely uneven for years. We haven't been able to string together an entire year of solid defensive play since 2016. In 2021 we were historically bad for over half of the year.

3-4 is not the reason why our defense is struggling and we've been running a 3-4 front for most of the year.

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Well, according to Pete, KJ Wright, Wyman... the problem is not running the 3-4 correctly and meshing between the line and backers. It's plain as day. We don't have stout enough lineman to play the front and Brooks and Barton are routinely hitting the wrong gap... because the play up front isn't great. If the line is off, then the backers are off , which means the safeties are likely also off. Errant 2 gapping has a cascading ripple effect.

The problem with committing to our base 4-3 is that schematically, the way they've run it is a liability against the pass in the middle of the field. Rather than fixing it, they've leaned more on this hybrid 3-4 which (I think) is just way too easy for an offense with a good qb and ground game to decipher.

The problems are compounded by the fact we can't help our D by controlling the ball and running it. The passing game has been ok at moving the chains but it's doing so with little help on the ground against the Raiders, we were out possessed 37:36 minutes to 28:05. It was worse against the Bucs.

Over the last 3 years we had running games that worked and a qb that wouldn't use them and so our TOP sucked and our D correspondingly looked worse than it was.

This year, we have a passing game that works at moving the chains amd no running game... and the D is looking really bad again.

Not saying there aren't structural issues with thr D because even early in games, we struggle to stop teams. But it's all the worse when they're on the field as long as they are when your offense for two weeks now sucks on 3rd down and can't consistently stay on the field.

But it absolutkey is a product of a faulty 3-4 scheme that can't get right enough to stop the run and is still confused at times against the pass. Although it's hard to evaluate how well the back end is playing when we can't get pressure.

23 draft - interior O line and D line best players available.

The problem is lack of talent

Spin Doctor said:

I don't know why people are blaming the 3-4 front. Our D-Line has been problematic long before we switched to a 3-4 front. In fact the defense has been extremely uneven for years. We haven't been able to string together an entire year of solid defensive play since 2016. In 2021 we were historically bad for over half of the year.

3-4 is not the reason why our defense is struggling and we've been running a 3-4 front for most of the year.

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This. They're struggling because their personnel is subpar, and they're not great at 2 gap "read/react" stuff. It's not exclusive to 3-4 looks and they're not even really a 3-4 base defense.

Fade wanted to keep Russell and fire Pete, he wasn't right about anything.

3-4, 4-3, doesn't matter when you don't have the personnel or talent up front. Our front seven has three difference makers right now, out of 11 players. Woods, Nwousu and Brooks. That's it, everyone else up front is a liability in BOTH the run game and passing game.

Yeah the concepts and scheme works against one dimensional teams with bad QB's like the Cardinals and Giants, but to beat smart capable QB's like Brady and Carr you need 7-8 difference makers. We don't have that, not even close.

Sgt. Largent said:

3-4, 4-3, doesn't matter when you don't have the personnel or talent up front. Our front seven has three difference makers right now, out of 11 players. Woods, Nwosu and Brooks. That's it, everyone else up front is a liability in BOTH the run game and passing game.

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I have to agree with this, scheme and coaching adjustments are a relatively small part of the overall puzzle compared to how much they get discussed by fans.

Quinn is getting a ton of credit this year for how well the Cowboys defense is playing, but their front has been ridiculously good with Parsons, Vander Esch, Barr, Lawrence, Armstrong, Fowler and Odighizuwa. Swap personnel with the Hawks and that group would still be kicking ass under Hurtt while Quinn's defense would look like he was back in Atlanta.

That's why it matters that we're rebuilding with 54m dead cap this season and have lots of draft capital to work with. We aren't guaranteed to nail the off-season but we're in a strong position to succeed.

AgentDib said:

I have to agree with this, scheme and coaching adjustments are a relatively small part of the overall puzzle compared to how much they get discussed by fans.

Quinn is getting a ton of credit this year for how well the Cowboys defense is playing, but their front has been ridiculously good with Parsons, Vander Esch, Barr, Lawrence, Armstrong, Fowler and Odighizuwa. Swap personnel with the Hawks and that group would still be kicking ass under Hurtt while Quinn's defense would look like he was back in Atlanta.

That's why it matters that we're rebuilding with 54m dead cap this season and have lots of draft capital to work with. We aren't guaranteed to nail the off-season but we're in a strong position to succeed.

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Yep, all of our draft picks next year should be used on the defensive side of the ball, then use your cap space to resign Geno and guards.

Fans get too caught up in scheme. Scheme is fluid depending on gameplans and who you're playing. Do you want to use more nickel, dime, cover 2, cover 3, man, whatever.

Bottom line is you still need the players to combat whatever the other team is trying to do on offense, and right now this defense struggles against balanced offenses with accurate smart QB's that can read them and pick on the weaknesses...........which again as I pointed out above is many.

Sgt. Largent said:

Fade wanted to keep Russell and fire Pete, he wasn't right about anything.

3-4, 4-3, doesn't matter when you don't have the personnel or talent up front. Our front seven has three difference makers right now, out of 11 players. Woods, Nwousu and Brooks. That's it, everyone else up front is a liability in BOTH the run game and passing game.

Yeah the concepts and scheme works against one dimensional teams with bad QB's like the Cardinals and Giants, but to beat smart capable QB's like Brady and Carr you need 7-8 difference makers. We don't have that, not even close.

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They'll make due for the rest of this year and fix it in the offseason.... unfortunately.

Yet another overreaction thread.

The humanity, the Seahawks lost. Woe is us.

We need to fire someone.

Geez Louise!

BTW I completely disagree with the premise of this thread.

Can't take any thread that has Fade and right in the title.

Spohawks said:

It was Pete who green lighted this crap and I can't trust that he won't pull more crap again.

Last 2 points...
1) I had to give up on Russ mid season last year and that was hard...but it was his time. Now, I can see Pete is no longer what is best for the Hawks. Waldron will take his spot next year.

2) I think Pete will be forced to let the 3-4 go by the Front Office. But will it be too little too late?

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Just a heads up, who you trust does not mean anything to anybody, after all you think Fade was right (poor choice)

Maelstrom787 said:

It's not exclusive to 3-4 looks and they're not even really a 3-4 base defense.

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They seem to be running more 2-4-5 for their base, it worked a few times when Ryan Neal came into the box but overall they were destroyed

CostaRicaHawk said:

Just a heads up, who you trust does not mean anything to anybody, after all you think Fade was right (poor choice)

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I just might be Johnny Schneider, watch it cowboy.

Ok...do not feed the attention hound. If there is a coaching adjustment, Pete will make it. To be where we are is not a Pete thing or Schneider thing. It is a team thing. I promise you, there is <20% chance of improving our sitiation if you want to replace Pete. See how the season ends and evaluate for the season. Do not cherry Pick what supports your opinion. Observation Over Time > Emotional Agenda.

Spohawks said:

I just might be Johnny Schneider, watch it cowboy.

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Helllllooooo Johnny. I hope that dates me

jammerhawk said:

Yet another overreaction thread.

The humanity, the Seahawks lost. Woe is us.

We need to fire someone.

Geez Louise!

BTW I completely disagree with the premise of this thread.

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Louise had nothing to do with this thread. I think I will fire me. LOL LMMFAO. HOpe some of you are well...others....whatever.

CostaRicaHawk said:

Helllllooooo Johnny. I hope that dates me

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Wouldn't that be Heeerrrreeeesss Johnny?

LeveeBreak said:

Wouldn't that be Heeerrrreeeesss Johnny?

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Aaaayyyye Johno!