Walker vs Charbonnet 2025 (So far)

hawker84

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Some of these takes are laughable to say the least. Our lack of production at RB is because of our mediocre OLine. They've been decent at pass blocking, abysmal when it comes to run blocking.

To say K9 or charbs is a bad back is silly, and quite frankly head scratching. He is one of the most explosive backs in the league, and charbs is as solid as they come. When put in the right situation, both backs would be be very productive ad K9 would be challenging for the league lead in yards.

It's not rocket science, if you're constantly getting contacted in the backfield, you're not even getting a chance to get going. We've seen what they can do when they get a creases. K9 is an amazing back. Charbs is a solid 2, I actually liked Mackintosh coming out of school better than Charbs to be honest.

I'm not going to sit here and waste my time trying to convince folks. But if you actually took the time to watch all 22 film, or top billing has some good content as well. You'll see, it's the line blocking, not the backs. Film don't lie.

Not to mention Kubiak is not helping. Everyone knows we struggle running the ball, yet kubiak calls running plays on 2nd and longs constantly. Which then gets stuffed and puts darnold in a third and long, which we all know is not conducive to his success given his struggles under pressure. It drives me crazy.

I thought Sundell and Outz coming back would help the run game, so far that is not the case.

Anyways here's a video explaining what I'm talking about.

 
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This season, Walker has been the 45th-best in success percentage among qualifying rushers, 24th-best in yards per attempt, 18th in yards before contact per attempt, 36th in yards after contact per attempt.

In the passing game, Walker is uh... not exactly known as a good blocker. However, he has shown that he can be useful as a receiver.

I see all that as perfectly fine on a rookie contract as part of a rotation at what is probably the most fungible position on the field in the modern NFL. Running backs are always terrible players to sign as veterans (for every success, there are many failures), and Walker has done nothing at all to suggest he's one of the rare veteran running backs worth veteran money. Quite the contrary, actually. When Walker was drafted, I thought I saw some Curt Warner in him and said as much. Since then, he has made me feel embarrassed for having thought and stated that. Now I see him for what he is: a perfectly passable, but clearly below-average, NFL running back.

As soon as the Seahawks' season ends, Mr. Walker's time with the team should also. I see no reason to expect Walker to be able to produce even what a decent day-three pick in next year's draft will be able to produce, much less enough more than such a player to make Walker worth signing to a second contract.

As for Mr. Charbonnet, he's been 33rd-best in success percentage this season among qualifying rushers, 41st in yards per attempt, 41st in yards before contact per attempt, and 30th in yards after contact per attempt.

Charbonnet is generally regarded as a better pass blocker than Walker. Hahahaha. OK, yeah, that's not exactly a high bar - I figure at least one of my dead-for-decades grandmothers is too. But Charbonnet actually appears to be a reasonably good pass blocker. He is also useful in the passing game as a receiver.

So Charbonnet is certainly nothing special either. Still, he's an even easier case to decide, because he's got another year on his rookie contract, and none of his salary for next season is guaranteed, so the Seahawks have plenty of time to see if they can get some better backs in next season's draft and decide what to do with him later. The amount of cap space they could save by cutting him before the 2026 season is about $1.7M, and it's not a decision that needs to be made super-early.

I suspect Charbonnet at that price will still be one of the Seahawks' four best options at running back (though I sincerely hope he's not the best they have) for 2026, so he'll play out his rookie contract with the Seahawks and then his situation next season will be basically what Walker's is this season: yeah, fine, he's a perfectly useful player on his current contract, and when that contract is over, the Seahawks should replace him with newer and cheaper players. Rinse and repeat. Always be drafting running backs (IN THE LATE ROUNDS!!!) and churning the old worn-out (or just plain not-that-good) backs out of the roster.

I'm in the same place on these guys as I am on Darnold: perfectly fine on their current contracts, certainly not worth anything even close to what the highest-paid players at their positions are making. I'm rooting for all three to have huge success for as many games as the Seahawks have left this season and postseason, but if one or more big games for them do happen, I'll then be rooting for Mr. Schneider to keep a cool head and not do something stupid in the excitement.
 

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I don't think its fair to judge K9 with the way things currently are. Honestly, the Oline hasen't done him or Charbs very many favors. Also, as somebody has already mentioned, Walker has been playing hurt all season because its a contract year. The bad thing is that he's always hurt. He just isn't missing time this season.

Saying all of that, do I like K9 and think he can be an explosive back,,,,yes. Would I resign him at the end of the season even if it was a team friendly deal,,,,,,,no. With his injury history, I think its time for a change. Am I going to be upset if they do resign him for cheap,,,,,also no.
 

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Agreed that our run blocking has been crappy.

But, I also believe we haven’t found our #1 RB. Both can be true.

Personally, I feel like Charb fits the scheme better.

An every down back to me averages 4 yards a carry and his stat line resembles something like this in yards per attempt: 4, 3, 2, 6, 4, 5, 5, and so on…maybe he breaks out a 10+ once in awhile.

Why this instead of 2, 1, 3, 2, 4, 2, 20? The average of a guy like this is higher right? This guy doesn’t sustain drives. This guy also has you at 3rd and long for a good portion of the game.

Anyways…it’s hard to come to a conclusion when your line isn’t up to par.

I’m hoping we look hard at a Center and Guard in this upcoming draft…
 

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To those that are arguing that we should keep K9 because his lack of success is attributable to the line, what makes you think that things will be different next year?

There is no sense paying vet money for a guy who can’t produce behind our line, when we can bring in a rookie who also won’t produce, but will do it for less money.

Let K9 go find success elsewhere.
 

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No reason to dump Charbs. He’s as cheap as they come for next year.

His cap hit will be barely more than than a second round pick.
 

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To those that are arguing that we should keep K9 because his lack of success is attributable to the line, what makes you think that things will be different next year?

There is no sense paying vet money for a guy who can’t produce behind our line, when we can bring in a rookie who also won’t produce, but will do it for less money.

Let K9 go find success elsewhere.
Well, I'm not saying to bring him back. I'm saying that claiming he's not a good running back is hilarious.
 

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Just my take but I feel Seattle and this offensive line is better suited to run block for Charb than K9. Charb’s no non sense, one open gap, and hit that hole is much more of an efficient scheme than K9 bouncing around looking for blockers to make something for him at the edges.

I’d rather run Charb, 20 times, and see how the offensive line blocks for his skillset, 90 percent of the run snaps, than, have the two split carries, and the offensive line don’t get anything established, and can’t find a rhythm, cause they have to block using two different styles.

It seems the best approach, is a single approach and not try to cater to both backs.

Give Charb the majority and bulk carries and let’s see if this offensive line is better run blocking with Charb than having to change styles every time.

Gotta be willing to try something different, if we want something different!

Do it, Kubiak and Mac!
Charb gets better as the night goes on too.

The more glasses the merrier…

Just kidding, but charb really does get better as the game goes on, like a true hammer, every hit loosens them up
 

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Some guys make shit happen even when the O line doesn’t play perfectly.

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I’m guessing that some here are expecting that type of RB.
UNFORTUNATELY those guys are generational.
Yes, you are right. But even Marshawn played behind a solid O-line with Unger, Okung, Giacomini and Sweezy.

We are near the bottom of the league in yards per carry at 3.9. It might surprise people to hear that Walker is at 4.4 yards per carry and Charbonnet is at 3.7.

Walker has been struggling for the last few games since his glute injury in late November. I think that's been holding him back. It's hard to get any burst with that injury. He's been averaging 2.4 yards per carry in December.
 

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Yes, you are right. But even Marshawn played behind a solid O-line with Unger, Okung, Giacomini and Sweezy.

We are near the bottom of the league in yards per carry at 3.9. It might surprise people to hear that Walker is at 4.4 yards per carry and Charbonnet is at 3.7.

Walker has been struggling for the last few games since his glute injury in late November. I think that's been holding him back. It's hard to get any burst with that injury. He's been averaging 2.4 yards per carry in December.
Not here to argue.

I’m simply saying that the guy some are looking for doesn’t come @ a dime a dozen.

Does our running game lack something/ need something?

Absolutely, but blaming it on the two guys we have isn’t fair or a reasonable criticism.

That pair is actually pretty “studly” if we want to be honest.
Does the production reflect it, no.

Blaming them is like blaming a fork for someone being obese.
Simply not a good or reasonable debate.


ETA
if it came down to simply considering the Cap space/hit.
It unfortunately does make sense to move on from K9 (unless something drastically changes In our favor )
 
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I dunno man ... I watch literally every game every snap... They don't run enough to show that he's just not viable for our scheme... I get he has those nice shifty runs.. I also think he does have power.. but his decision making is Anthony Bradford reel style. Until we have a better Oline his style doesnt really promote a benefit to our style ATM... I dunno.. I wanted to like Walker.. but as a whole I dont like our RB corp very much because even though we run it the most.. we are the least effective... so it almost feels like we don't run it at all
LOL what? we are number 4 in the NFL in rushing attempts.
 

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Charb gets better as the night goes on too.

The more glasses the merrier…

Just kidding, but charb really does get better as the game goes on, like a true hammer, every hit loosens them up
I would add to this that the longer the game goes on, more likely that the holes that they are looking for appear. And they do. That helps them get to the second level. But usually that appears in the second half. By then we should have either have a tied ball game or only one score down. That can be managed by the team. Just one of the thoughts. And more glasses helps too. LOL
 

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I’d love for K9 to just go nuts this next game.

It’s like seeing an average 80 year old drive a C8 ‘Vette

You know that mofo can fly but, for whatever reason, you haven’t seen it yet.
 
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