49ers get their ass beat like a drum

[FrodosFinger]

Now please step aside and watch how a real team operates. If they can’t beat the Cards next week their season is over but this division was always just a two team race. Lynch can’t draft for shit

 

[keasley45]

I don't know many teams that can be successful without their starting QB, all pro Edge, all pro MLB, and a starting wr.

I don't think we would be pounding our chests if we were rolling into the game against the Rams with Drew Lock at QB and without our best players on defense. Im glad the 9ers dropped another one, but the fact that they aren't already last in the division by a mile is a testament to their coaching and overall strength of their roster. If anything, Lynch might need help putting together a better strength and conditioning staff.

 

[Jac]

I don't know many teams that can be successful without their starting QB, all pro Edge, all pro MLB, and a starting wr.

I don't think we would be pounding our chests if we were rolling into the game against the Rams with Drew Lock at QB and without our best players on defense. Im glad the 9ers dropped another one, but the fact that they aren't already last in the division by a mile is a testament to their coaching and overall strength of their roster. If anything, Lynch might need help putting together a better strength and conditioning staff.

They're -10 in point differential this year. Their win/loss record could easily look quite a bit different. I think coaching has propped them up this year, but their overall roster talent and depth is actually pretty mediocre. There's not a single position group (maybe TE?) where you say "wow, they have a talent edge on their opponent there".

 

[Weadoption]

placed a $250 bet on the Hawks to win the NFC title game when they were still sitting at +2400 bout a month back.
same bet yesterday on the Ravens for the AFC title.
Wife is a huge Hawks fan, her dad, uncles, cousins all loving this season.
My niners season is all but over, all
wins do from here on out is lower their draft position.
Tip my hat to the Hawks front office, they have done it through the draft and some monster free agent hits.
Leonard Williams and Sam Darnold, two of the best free agent pickups in team history imo.
JSN is probably the best wideout in the game. The hands, the way they just softly snap onto the ball, the route running, can’t help but think of Jerry, Isaac Bruce.

 

[keasley45]

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They're -10 in point differential this year. Their win/loss record could easily look quite a bit different. I think coaching has propped them up this year, but their overall roster talent and depth is actually pretty mediocre. There's not a single position group (maybe TE?) where you say "wow, they have a talent edge on their opponent there".

I mean some of the 'not having talent everywhere' is a result of the NFL in the 2000s . They have Kittle, Purdy, Warner, CMC and Bosa. There are few teams in the league who can claim talent like that at 5 key positions. And they have been to the SB or NFC CG quite a few times recently. So to say their GM is somehow to blame for the shortfalls this year is ... Whatever you wanna call it.

You can't keep winning AND drafting low AND pay the all pro talent you've assembled AND expect when those key players aren't available that you just dial up another all-pro level talent draftee that you magically hit on in with one of your late round draft picks.

I hate the 9ers as much as anyone, but to say what they have done with who they have isn't impressive is... Again, what it is.

It was a one score game in the 3rd qtr between them and the Rams. McVay is ultimately just too good to get beat by a MASH squad. He will eventually figure out how to exploit the weaknesses their coaches have masked.

 

[Jac]

I

I mean some of the 'not having talent everywhere' is a result of the NFL in the 2000s . They have Kittle, Purdy, Warner, CMC and Bosa. There are few teams in the league who can claim talent like that at 5 key positions. And they have been to the SB or NFC CG quite a few times recently. So to say their GM is somehow to blame for the shortfalls this year is ... Whatever you wanna call it.

You can't keep winning AND drafting low AND pay the all pro talent you've assembled AND expect when those key players aren't available that you just dial up another all-pro level talent draftee that you magically hit on in with one of your late round draft picks.

I hate the 9ers as much as anyone, but to say what they have done with who they have isn't impressive is... Again, what it is.

It was a one score game in the 3rd qtr between them and the Rams. McVay is ultimately just too good to get beat by a MASH squad. He will eventually figure out how to exploit the weaknesses their coaches have masked.

Their roster strategy is about the same core players year over year. Except that core continues to deplete and/or is getting old. Trent Williams even fell of your list there. Kittle is still good but not the same player he was and certainly isn't the league's #1 TE, CMC is not the same runner he was (and will be 30 next year so they eventually need to give another RB a carry), and the 49er fanbase isn't nearly as high on Purdy as the rest of the league's fanbase seems to be. The second half of his short career looks nothing like the first half of his career. But they have to rely on that core because they continue to throw away draft picks. What was particularly telling is that ever since training camp started, the 49er podcasters continued to harp on about their weak schedule as the reason for them being a playoff team, not the talent. They really have to hope they can still make something out of this year because they have very serious questions and problems heading into next year because of their poor depth.

 

[Weadoption]

Their roster strategy is about the same core players year over year. Except that core continues to deplete and/or is getting old. Trent Williams even fell of your list there. Kittle is still good but not the same player he was and certainly isn't the league's #1 TE, CMC is not the same runner he was (and will be 30 next year so they eventually need to give another RB a carry), and the 49er fanbase isn't nearly as high on Purdy as the rest of the league's fanbase seems to be. The second half of his short career looks nothing like the first half of his career. But they have to rely on that core because they continue to throw away draft picks. What was particularly telling is that ever since training camp started, the 49er podcasters continued to harp on about their weak schedule as the reason for them being a playoff team, not the talent. They really have to hope they can still make something out of this year because they have very serious questions and problems heading into next year because of their poor depth.

 

[94Smith]

Frodo , I don’t know why you continue to harp on the 49ers. You needed us to win that game. Rams are a juggernaut this year . That offense is humming . Should be a good game this week

I did not pick the 49ers to win this week. The defense has really struggled since Warner went down.

 

[94Smith]

because they continue to throw away draft picks.

? How so

 

[Jac]

? How so

They haven't drafted well for the past several years. I don't mean on trades.

 

[94Smith]

Finally I would argue that a 6-4 record despite a league high injury list is a testament to depth and coaching

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You're not wrong. Sitting at 6-4 with those injuries is pretty solid.

 

[94Smith]

They haven't drafted well for the past several years. I don't mean on trades.

I’ll give you 2023 , which was already a shortened draft due to the Lance trade, but I don’t know how you can make that assumption about 2024 and 25. They are 6-4 not 2-8

 

[Kamcussionator]

The 9ers roster strategy was high-risk, high-reward. Kind of like ours in the late 20-teens: we paid our stars, sacrificed out depth, and the dam started to leak.

Next week is going to be the litmus test to see if we’re for real or not. This will be the first playoff game of the season. Whomever wins will control their destiny and be the front-runner in the NFC. Whomever loses, will still be a contender, but looking up.

As much as I like rooting for an underdog, winning the SB seems to be reserved for teams chasing perfection, not a division rival.

 

[FrodosFinger]

They're -10 in point differential this year. Their win/loss record could easily look quite a bit different. I think coaching has propped them up this year, but their overall roster talent and depth is actually pretty mediocre. There's not a single position group (maybe TE?) where you say "wow, they have a talent edge on their opponent there".

Exactly

 

[Jac]

I’ll give you 2023 , which was already a shortened draft due to the Lance trade, but I don’t know how you can make that assumption about 2024 and 25. They are 6-4 not 2-8

The 2020-23 drafts should be the backbone of your roster talent. 2024/25 is still too early to tell to your point, though I'm not sure Mykel can grow into the type of difference maker you want at a #11 (but players develop and he has physical tools). I'd have to say 2020 is more bad luck than bad drafting. You got two starting receivers out of that class. Aiyuk obviously got the knee, but it seems like Jennings has some kind of mental block with the team right now and they'll move off him next year. But who knows, I could be wrong about all of it.

 

[94Smith]

The 2020-23 drafts should be the backbone of your roster talent. 2024/25 is still too early to tell to your point, though I'm not sure Mykel can grow into the type of difference maker you want at a #11 (but players develop and he has physical tools). I'd have to say 2020 is more bad luck than bad drafting. You got two starting receivers out of that class. Aiyuk obviously got the knee, but it seems like Jennings has some kind of mental block with the team right now and they'll move off him next year. But who knows, I could be wrong about all of it.

Jennings is dealing with quite a few injuries. He actually has played better the last two games, minus the fumble

 

[NoGain]

Frodo , I don’t know why you continue to harp on the 49ers. You needed us to win that game. Rams are a juggernaut this year . That offense is humming . Should be a good game this week.

I didn't feel or think this way at all. I preferred that the Rams beat the 9ers this weekend. I thought that worked in our favor, in spite of what other people were saying, or the prevailing narrative. I thought it worked in our favor by putting some distance between us and the 9ers if it should boil down to a wild card proposition for us.

And as far as making us tied with the Rams if they won, well...guess what? If it's about winning the division, then we have to beat the Rams to do it. We can't be scared about such a thing. You've got to earn it. And we've got our chance to in going head-to-head with them.

 

[IndyHawk]

Jennings is dealing with quite a few injuries. He actually has played better the last two games, minus the fumble

I'm interested on your take for QB on the Niners, does it matter between
the two?
I mean I feel like I'm watching pretty much the same QB when either one
plays, it's kind of funny.

 

[94Smith]

I'm interested on your take for QB on the Niners, does it matter between
the two?
I mean I feel like I'm watching pretty much the same QB when either one
plays, it's kind of funny.

I like Mac Jones, but the mobility and running of Purdy gives him the edge IMO. I don't think it is fair to compare Mac Jones performance in 2025 to Purdy's performance in 2024 as CMC was out the whole year. Obviously I liked Purdy when he was 1 million per year but now that he is 55 million per year he has to play like 2023 Purdy. We will see