The safety

[glenwo2]

Afraid I see this one differently from the rest of you… forward progress is given as the most forward point reached by a ball carrier from when contact is initiated through to the player being down / play being blown dead. This was at the half yard line, the fact he is running backwards is absolutely irrelevant.
So safety is the correct call.

If that's how the rule is, then it's a retarded rule. I'm sorry.

It's the "Tuck Rule" all over again.

 

[Followthelegion]

If that's how the rule is, then it's a retarded rule. I'm sorry.

It's the "Tuck Rule" all over again.

Not sure I agree
The Tuck rule was a technicality which needed to be addressed whereas forward progress seems a fair enough general idea about where it’s most appropriate to mark the football.

Defenders have many options when making tackles (although the game is so fast that in practise every defender is just trying to make a tackle):
A) if the attacker is running backwards towards his end zone, you can try to time your tackle to ensure contact starts when the runner is in the endzone
B) initiate the tackle outside the end zone but not wrap / release the contact before continuing the tackle in the end zone. This would also technically be a safety as the forward progress resets.

 

[BDD222]

I abhor referees that watch the flag they throw like it is their time to shine. Example would be when JSN dunked on the referee. Just drop the flag.

Dude literally thought it out, knew he rehearsed this moment, let the flag fly high, and admired the flight trajectory.

 

[Followthelegion]

The celebration rule is honestly pathetic. I understand not taunting in the face of an opponent; but dunking on the goalpost (without show boating by hanging on the post), why are we flagging this?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It wasn't even debatable. Even the announcers and the former ref dude said it was a safety.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The celebration rule is honestly pathetic. I understand not taunting in the face of an opponent; but dunking on the goalpost (without show boating by hanging on the post), why are we flagging this?

No Fun League. Someone is having fun, oh the horror

 

[Trackhawk]

If a quarterback is retreating in the pocket, and is sacked, the ball is placed where his knee/butt/forearm touches the ground, not where contact is initiated.

It should be no different here.

If a runner is advancing the ball, and is driven back, forward progress is awarded.

If a runner makes forward progress, then turns around of his own volition and starts back to try and loop around the defense, he is down where he goes down, not where contact is initiated.

It really isn’t that hard.

 

[cymatica]

If a quarterback is retreating in the pocket, and is sacked, the ball is placed where his knee/butt/forearm touches the ground, not where contact is initiated.

It should be no different here.

If a runner is advancing the ball, and is driven back, forward progress is awarded.

If a runner makes forward progress, then turns around of his own volition and starts back to try and loop around the defense, he is down where he goes down, not where contact is initiated.

It really isn’t that hard.

This

 

[Followthelegion]

Just going to come back on this. It appears I’m wrong. Forward progress is only granted when you are making movements towards the opposition end zone. If a tackle occurs with you retreating, the ball should be marked where it is when the player is down.

Apologies, every day is a school day!

 

[cymatica]

Afraid I see this one differently from the rest of you… forward progress is given as the most forward point reached by a ball carrier from when contact is initiated through to the player being down / play being blown dead. This was at the half yard line, the fact he is running backwards is absolutely irrelevant.
So no safety is the correct call.

REFR Sports

What Is Forward Progress in Football?​

Forward progress is the furthest point a ball carrier reaches before being pushed back by the defense. Even if the player is later driven backward or tackled behind that point, the ball is placed at the spot where their momentum was first stopped by a defender.

3. When Forward Progress Does NOT Apply​

• If a player tries to escape but willingly moves backward, forward progress is no longer awarded.

Stroud was running backwards trying to escape before he was touched. The defender never stopped his momentum going towards the opponents end zone so forward momentum rules don't apply. On top of him willingly moving backwards

 

[glenwo2]

Just going to come back on this. It appears I’m wrong. Forward progress is only granted when you are making movements towards the opposition end zone. If a tackle occurs with you retreating, the ball should be marked where it is when the player is down.

Apologies, every day is a school day!

After all that preaching and TLDR'ing you put up thinking you're so smart.... (Nyaah!)

...it all backfires faster than a Kubiak Trick Play! BOOM!


At least you owned up to it.

So good. After all that, IT'S A F*CKING SAFETY AND THE REFS ARE F*CKING IDIOTS!

 

[Natethegreat]

Clear as day safety. I felt it was the refs trying to keep the game competitive as well.

 

[LeveeBreak]

Yup, I got into it with a few people about the game. They telling me Seahawks aren't winning dominantly. I said did you watch the game or sports in general. The refs are purposely calling stupid made up penalties to keep the game watchable. You're right Keasley, adding the 2points for the safety and if Kupp doesn't throw that pick Seahawks are now blowing them out. Instead of 14-6 at the half you're looking at a 23-0 halftime lead. I don't care what people say about that game. Seahawks were dominating the whole thing and should have won by way more, but whatever, I'll take the W.

I was gonna post something similar. Yes we had a few bad plays that were frustrating to watch, but honestly, we were 3 plays away from a 40+ rout. The O was incredibly efficient most of the game. JSN & Darnold feasted on one of the best D's in the league. Our running game showed some signs at the end of the game. Replace Bradford with just a competent OG and the run game will tack 50+ yds a game.

I read a bunch of headlines calling it a sloppy win, but I'd charachterize it differently. The O operated at a high level most of the game with a handful of misteps that stopped it from being a blowout.

 

[Followthelegion]

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After all that preaching and TLDR'ing you put up thinking you're so smart.... (Nyaah!)

...it all backfires faster than a Kubiak Trick Play! BOOM!


At least you owned up to it.

So good. After all that, IT'S A F*CKING SAFETY AND THE REFS ARE F*CKING IDIOTS!

View attachment 75192

After all that preaching and TLDR'ing you put up thinking you're so smart.... (Nyaah!)

...it all backfires faster than a Kubiak Trick Play! BOOM!


At least you owned up to it.

So good. After all that, IT'S A F*CKING SAFETY AND THE REFS ARE F*

View attachment 75192

After all that preaching and TLDR'ing you put up thinking you're so smart.... (Nyaah!)

...it all backfires faster than a Kubiak Trick Play! BOOM!


At least you owned up to it.

So good. After all that, IT'S A F*CKING SAFETY AND THE REFS ARE F*CKING IDIOTS!

Think it’s time to alter the medication …

 

[LeveeBreak]

I abhor referees that watch the flag they throw like it is their time to shine. Example would be when JSN dunked on the referee. Just drop the flag.

Dude literally thought it out, knew he rehearsed this moment, let the flag fly high, and admired the flight trajectory.

That was almost comical. His mentality was "I have to throw the flag toward the foul...which was the goal post".

Today he's thinking "that was dumb...why'd I do that...I looked silly".

 

[Sprfunk]

Sorry, I don't think that's the rule. Forward progress stops at the furthest point forward, when he is stopped, or forced back. So in running backwards, its still the furthest point forward when momentum stops and contact is made.
So when the contact is made there is no more ability for forward momentum. Thats the spot.

Im not saying I like the rule, just this is the way I always remember it being officiated.

 

[evergreen]

So our guy touches him before he gets in the endzone but he stays up and throws it. Why wasn’t he down then?
Plus the got to do two plays over. We stopped them both times. One was a procedure call the other a clock issue. So blow the play dead if it’s not going to count. People could get hurt playing when it doesn’t count.

 

[cymatica]

Sorry, I don't think that's the rule. Forward progress stops at the furthest point forward, when he is stopped, or forced back. So in running backwards, its still the furthest point forward when momentum stops and contact is made.
So when the contact is made there is no more ability for forward momentum. Thats the spot.

Im not saying I like the rule, just this is the way I always remember it being officiated.

Forward progress doesn't apply to a player running backwards even if he's escaping. Forward progress applies to a player running towards the opponents end zone who then has their momentum stopped by the defense

 

[Torc]

The celebration rule is honestly pathetic. I understand not taunting in the face of an opponent; but dunking on the goalpost (without show boating by hanging on the post), why are we flagging this?

I just wonder why players can spike the ball, throw it into the audience, do back flips, dance with their teammates, but somehow dunking it over the goalpost is a penalty. I don't see the logic.

 

[glenwo2]

Think it’s time to alter the medication …

Yeah. Yours, apparently.

The f*ck was that you just did? Reposting my quote 3 times?

Are you okay?