Lockett cut, DK requested trade, Geno?

[Fresno Hawk]

Might as well get rid of him too. He definitely not going to win with what we will have left at the WR position.

 

[toffee]

Might as well get rid of him too. He definitely not going to win with what we will have left at the WR position.

Trade Dk and Geno as a package deal to the Raiders, umm, second thought, John Schneider won't do it.

 

[Double Tribble]

Dk wanting to play for a contender is a vote of no confidence in Geno. Even his teammates know he isn't going to win a bowl, which can't be very motivating for them, so it's time to move him along. He's a great backup, but not a qb1.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Going to be a very interesting next few days to say the least.

 

[Double Tribble]

I love this time of year. So many unexpected things happen before the draft..

 

[DarkVictory23]

Might as well get rid of him too. He definitely not going to win with what we will have left at the WR position.

Ok, play with me here--let's say we trade DK to the Packers for #54. Then we go into FA, sign Nick Westbrook-Ikhine for 3 years for what we were going to pay DK for 1, get Marquez Valdes-Scantling to fill in for Lockett for like $2.5M.

Or we trade DK for Packers round 3, plus like Romeo Doubs and still grab one of those FA guys.

We use the money we saved from DK's contract to sign Teven Jenkins or Mekhi Becton at guard and use one of our now 4 picks in the first 100 to grab a WR, an IOL, and maybe a QB to challenge Geno and Sam Howell.


I still prefer to keep DK, but am I thinking the Seahawks offense is dead in the water with an upgraded interior OL and a WR corps featuring like Smith-Njigba, Westbrook-Ikhine, and Valdes-Scantling?
I mean, just all the hyphens in those last names alone almost makes me feel like Schneider has to make this happen.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Hugh Millen of KJR said Seattle for the most part of DK’s time in Seattle has mismanaged DK’s potential and his abilities.

 

[Appyhawk]

Transparent play to get a bigger raise.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Ok, play with me here--let's say we trade DK to the Packers for #54. Then we go into FA, sign Nick Westbrook-Ikhine for 3 years for what we were going to pay DK for 1, get Marquez Valdes-Scantling to fill in for Lockett for like $2.5M.

Or we trade DK for Packers round 3, plus like Romeo Doubs and still grab one of those FA guys.

We use the money we saved from DK's contract to sign Teven Jenkins or Mekhi Becton at guard and use one of our now 4 picks in the first 100 to grab a WR, an IOL, and maybe a QB to challenge Geno and Sam Howell.


I still prefer to keep DK, but am I thinking the Seahawks offense is dead in the water with an upgraded interior OL and a WR corps featuring like Smith-Njigba, Westbrook-Ikhine, and Valdes-Scantling?
I mean, just all the hyphens in those last names alone almost makes me feel like Schneider has to make this happen.

Honestly, if we trade him, it has to be for a 1st. I believe we will get that for him I'm not into believing we can't. DK is a monster and as the days go on there will be alot teams willing to give that up for him. Now if we dont and we end up getting a second or third JS needs to be fired. He's made too many bad trades.
Now let's say we did trade him, I'm not a believer that JS will fix the oline. He's has had 10 plus years to do so and hasn't yet. This team will need alot of things to happen before they will be good again and trading DK away only makes it worse. I don't blame him for wanting to leave he's had some crappy offensive coordinator's and we don't really know what we have in our new one yet. I would rather pay him than Geno to be honest.
But it's just my take on it.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Geno, DK, Charbs, Nwosu, and Woolen to the Raiders for their 2nd and 3rd round picks plus DL/ED Tyree Wilson and TE Michael Mayers?

 

[DarkVictory23]

Honestly, if we trade him, it has to be for a 1st. I believe we will get that for him I'm not into believing we can't. DK is a monster and as the days go on there will be alot teams willing to give that up for him. Now if we dont and we end up getting a second or third JS needs to be fired. He's made too many bad trades.
Now let's say we did trade him, I'm not a believer that JS will fix the oline. He's has had 10 plus years to do so and hasn't yet. This team will need alot of things to happen before they will be good again and trading DK away only makes it worse. I don't blame him for wanting to leave he's had some crappy offensive coordinator's and we don't really know what we have in our new one yet. I would rather pay him than Geno to be honest.
But it's just my take on it.

I think it's always a hard read to figure out what a player is going to grab on the trade market. I think a 2nd plus a player is probably realistic. It won't be for just a third because the Seahawks can let him walk after next year and get a third anyway.

I'm not a fan of the '10 years to fix the O-Line and hasn't' argument, though, for a couple of reasons: The Seahawks O-Line has gone up and down for the last decade. The issues we have now aren't the same as 10 years ago or even 5 years ago.

We've made good moves and bad moves. We've been only a clear downward trajectory for the last 3 seasons at OL (this last season was probably one of the worst Seattle O-Lines in recent memory), but some of that has been injury, some of that has been scheme/coaching, and yeah, some of it was Schneider. But I mean, if we aren't spending the money on DK (and Lockett, obviously) what exactly is John going to spend the money on that is glaring need?

I mean, we need to replace Dre'Mont but I'm not going to be pissed if we spend good money at DE.

As for paying DK over Geno, I would rather do that too, especially give their respective ages. But that's in a vacuum.

Geno is an above average QB who probably is going to get paid like an average-to-above average QB with some pretty favorable out clauses for Seattle... that's cool with me. DK is an above average WR1 who probably wants to be paid like a top 5 WR1. That's a little more problematic (and probably why we are seeing the news we are seeing).


Again, I personally hope this ends up like the Brandon Aiyuk situation and we figure out a deal to keep DK a Seahawk, but I also wouldn't mind a JSN, NWI, MVS starting trio at WR. (I love the initials!)

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Who's to say our WR room doesn't improve next year?

Lockett was a warm body last year and DK's production can certainly be replaced

His 2024 production can. His value in drawing coverage won't be nearly as easily replaced. JSN will struggle.

Nah, there's no way this bodes well for our season. Was not expecting DK to seek a trade.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Honestly, if we trade him, it has to be for a 1st. I believe we will get that for him I'm not into believing we can't. DK is a monster and as the days go on there will be alot teams willing to give that up for him. Now if we dont and we end up getting a second or third JS needs to be fired. He's made too many bad trades.
Now let's say we did trade him, I'm not a believer that JS will fix the oline. He's has had 10 plus years to do so and hasn't yet. This team will need alot of things to happen before they will be good again and trading DK away only makes it worse. I don't blame him for wanting to leave he's had some crappy offensive coordinator's and we don't really know what we have in our new one yet. I would rather pay him than Geno to be honest.
But it's just my take on it.

I respect this take!

Not sure if any receivers in this years draft will come in and put that much defensive game plan fear in the opponent as DK did in his rookie year.

 

[Pickly]

You run with a rookie QB or Howell you might as bank on a 5 win season tops. This roster has a ton of talent but lacking the true elite talent that gets you far in the postseason. Since we haven’t been used to having a string of bad losing seasons in 2 decades I can’t see Hawks fans being content with cutting or trading Geno and becoming a bottom feeder for the next 2-5 seasons and that being generous considering they hit on whomever they draft next QB wise. Keeping Geno guarantees you a 8-9 10-7 record but definitely not going to lead you deep into the postseason. Yeah the more I type here the more I guess I’m contradicting myself and would like to see the Hawks gamble and get a top 10 pick and a QB of the future.

With Mike at the helm and looking at how a dogshit franchise the last decade in Denver turned it around in 1 season by gambling on Nix and having the leagues #1 D (PFF) it may be worth getting rid of Smith and taking some chances for once.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

I think it's always a hard read to figure out what a player is going to grab on the trade market. I think a 2nd plus a player is probably realistic. It won't be for just a third because the Seahawks can let him walk after next year and get a third anyway.

I'm not a fan of the '10 years to fix the O-Line and hasn't' argument, though, for a couple of reasons: The Seahawks O-Line has gone up and down for the last decade. The issues we have now aren't the same as 10 years ago or even 5 years ago.

We've made good moves and bad moves. We've been only a clear downward trajectory for the last 3 seasons at OL (this last season was probably one of the worst Seattle O-Lines in recent memory), but some of that has been injury, some of that has been scheme/coaching, and yeah, some of it was Schneider. But I mean, if we aren't spending the money on DK (and Lockett, obviously) what exactly is John going to spend the money on that is glaring need?

I mean, we need to replace Dre'Mont but I'm not going to be pissed if we spend good money at DE.

As for paying DK over Geno, I would rather do that too, especially give their respective ages. But that's in a vacuum.

Geno is an above average QB who probably is going to get paid like an average-to-above average QB with some pretty favorable out clauses for Seattle... that's cool with me. DK is an above average WR1 who probably wants to be paid like a top 5 WR1. That's a little more problematic (and probably why we are seeing the news we are seeing).


Again, I personally hope this ends up like the Brandon Aiyuk situation and we figure out a deal to keep DK a Seahawk, but I also wouldn't mind a JSN, NWI, MVS starting trio at WR. (I love the initials!)

I can't disagree with alot of this. But I might be in the minority on this, I feel if we let Geno walk or trade him that money can be used to fix the oline. Then we let Howell or a rookie start. If we keep DK with an upgraded oline and the rest of the talent on offense I truly believe we win the same amount of games. Somewhere between 8 to 10. This year has showed we can let an above average QB go, and get good olineman with the money. Get a young QB to learn on the fly with good coaching.

 

[DarkVictory23]

You run with a rookie QB or Howell you might as bank on a 5 win season tops. This roster has a ton of talent but lacking the true elite talent that gets you far in the postseason. Since we haven’t been used to having a string of bad losing seasons in 2 decades I can’t see Hawks fans being content with cutting or trading Geno and becoming a bottom feeder for the next 2-5 seasons and that being generous considering they hit on whomever they draft next QB wise. Keeping Geno guarantees you a 8-9 10-7 record but definitely not going to lead you deep into the postseason. Yeah the more I type here the more I guess I’m contradicting myself and would like to see the Hawks gamble and get a top 10 pick and a QB of the future.

With Mike at the helm and looking at how a dogshit franchise the last decade in Denver turned it around in 1 season by gambling on Nix and having the leagues #1 D (PFF) it may be worth getting rid of Smith and taking some chances for once.

I think were skipping some steps in Denver's turn around here, though.

Denver has had top 10 and even top 5 defenses multiple times over the last 6 or 7 years. In 2019, they rolled the dice on a 2nd round QB who never became a solid starter (this was after the other 2nd round QB they drafted who's name you can't remember also never became a solid starter). That cost a few coaches their jobs. Then, new guy rolls in, rolls the dice on a big splashy trade, tanks their offense and costs them a bunch of money. That cost a few more coaches their jobs.

Now, Sean Payton has Bo Nix--who absolutely looked solid in my book--but to get there, you had a LOT of coaches get fired and 8 straight seasons of not making the playoffs.

I can't disagree with alot of this. But I might be in the minority on this, I feel if we let Geno walk or trade him that money can be used to fix the oline. Then we let Howell or a rookie start. If we keep DK with an upgraded oline and the rest of the talent on offense I truly believe we win the same amount of games. Somewhere between 8 to 10. This year has showed we can let an above average QB go, and get good olineman with the money. Get a young QB to learn on the fly with good coaching.

I don't buy that you spend $30+M on a receiver without a QB to throw the ball to him. I'm all for devoting more money to the trenches (which, I'm not sure why we think we need to cut Geno to do that) but the idea of building your offense around a WR makes no sense to me--especially since we're all pretty sure that he's not a top 5 WR right now.

I'm mixed on whether we should cut Geno if we actually move DK (I go back and forth on how I think that would go--if Macdonald and/or Kubiak think the offense is shot, then you have to unload him). But if we're cutting Geno, I absolutely don't think we should be spending $30M on DK.

 

[Double Tribble]

It feels like addition by subtraction time to me. DK and Geno are both replaceable. We've been short on draft resources and talent for a long time now. We can fix both by letting them go and using the resources to draft better young talent that MM wants. Or, we stand pat and enjoy another wonderful season of mediocrity with no real hope of a better future for at least several more years. Rip the bandaid off now, or let it fester.

 

[Rat]

Hugh Millen of KJR said Seattle for the most part of DK’s time in Seattle has mismanaged DK’s potential and his abilities.

This feels like irresponsible journalism. The biased media is only saying it because it's completely true.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

I think were skipping some steps in Denver's turn around here, though.

Denver has had top 10 and even top 5 defenses multiple times over the last 6 or 7 years. In 2019, they rolled the dice on a 2nd round QB who never became a solid starter (this was after the other 2nd round QB they drafted who's name you can't remember also never became a solid starter). That cost a few coaches their jobs. Then, new guy rolls in, rolls the dice on a big splashy trade, tanks their offense and costs them a bunch of money. That cost a few more coaches their jobs.

Now, Sean Payton has Bo Nix--who absolutely looked solid in my book--but to get there, you had a LOT of coaches get fired and 8 straight seasons of not making the playoffs.



I don't buy that you spend $30+M on a receiver without a QB to throw the ball to him. I'm all for devoting more money to the trenches (which, I'm not sure why we think we need to cut Geno to do that) but the idea of building your offense around a WR makes no sense to me--especially since we're all pretty sure that he's not a top 5 WR right now.

I'm mixed on whether we should cut Geno if we actually move DK (I go back and forth on how I think that would go--if Macdonald and/or Kubiak think the offense is shot, then you have to unload him). But if we're cutting Geno, I absolutely don't think we should be spending $30M on DK.

The process is not to build around a WR. By keeping DK, and letting go of Geno,we have the opportunity to have 2 of the best young WR in the game. 2 very good TE, 2 every good RBs and potentially get a center and a guard with the free money. If Kubiak is really good, I see Howell or a young QB being serviceable. Also DK is only 27 and just entering his prime. If he dosent work out we can always trade him next year. If we trade DK and we keep Geno and he has another average year now we're stuck paying a 35 year old QB with no trade value.

 

[Hawkpower]

His 2024 production can. His value in drawing coverage won't be nearly as easily replaced. JSN will struggle.

Nah, there's no way this bodes well for our season. Was not expecting DK to seek a trade.

We may potentially be overdoing the "he drew attention away in coverage" thing honestly

I mean if we can all see that DK was an athletic freak that was still never more than just an above average receiver, the NFL certainly can too. His speed and size had to be accounted for to be sure, however he isn't considered a top 10-15 level receiver. I don't know that D coordinators lost tons of sleep scheming to face him