QB for 2025 season

[SonicHawk]

Good post and I appreciate the effort. Let me ask you though is it possible you’re cherry picking successful plays? We can see Geno touchdowns where the line holds up really well too. I only ask this because I just looked up every analytics site and they alll have the Patriots line as worse in almost every metric. Their fan base complains about it as much as we do too and they’re watching every snap. PFF, PFN, ESPN all have the patriots as a whole worse.

Based on what I watched their line looked pretty good. Maye tends to leave the pocket pretty quick (especially backing up outside of what normal contain would be). I think their right tackle is a bit trash but otherwise I watched all of the sacks on Maye and rarely is it just some weak block that gets to him.

If those sites are right, Maye is a rookie, his skill position guys are terrible etc and he’s putting up similar numbers my argument is Geno could be playing better than he is. Now maybe Maye is a special talent, he was drafted extremely high and some scouts do view him that way.

It's hard to tell from only a few games. Geno does things that Maye doesn't do yet. I also think Maye slings it more "freely" than Geno. He also doesn't have the pocket confidence yet. But yeah, Maye is a top 3 draft pick, he's got boatloads of talent.

Not saying you’re wrong just thinking out loud.


Anyway I liked going through your breakdown and Maye looks promising. Not thrilled NE could have another great QB but what are we going to do?

I don't think Maye is great or even on track to be great, but he certainly looks like a potential NFL caliber QB -- which is more than they've had in the past 5 years.

 

[Ozzy]

Baker has been damn good the past two years. I couldn’t stand the guy early on in his career but by all accounts he’s grown up and become a great leader. His teammates love him, he dives on every ball and puts his body on the line all the time. Some guys seem to make business decisions at times and I won’t go into who.

 

[Ozzy]

Based on what I watched their line looked pretty good. Maye tends to leave the pocket pretty quick (especially backing up outside of what normal contain would be). I think their right tackle is a bit trash but otherwise I watched all of the sacks on Maye and rarely is it just some weak block that gets to him.

It's hard to tell from only a few games. Geno does things that Maye doesn't do yet. I also think Maye slings it more "freely" than Geno. He also doesn't have the pocket confidence yet. But yeah, Maye is a top 3 draft pick, he's got boatloads of talent.

I don't think Maye is great or even on track to be great, but he certainly looks like a potential NFL caliber QB -- which is more than they've had in the past 5 years.

Like I said I appreciate you taking the time to work through it and you may be right. I can’t always be critical of PFF and other similar sites only to say you’re wrong because of their grades when it suits my argument. I would still argue that line isn’t good but your point is fair

 

[SonicHawk]

I don’t watch every down so hard for me to argue my view is more correct than anyone else’s. i just didn’t see that bad of a line from the 70 or so snaps i watched.

 

[Ozzy]

I don’t watch every down so hard for me to argue my view is more correct than anyone else’s. i just didn’t see that bad of a line from the 70 or so snaps i watched.

And you may very well be right. I’m the last person to trust PFF they have some ridiculous grades

 

[Natethegreat]

One player I do not want next year is Sam Darnold. Mayfield was brought down by injuries and the Browns. Darnold is being lifted by one of the best offensive coaches out there.
If you think Geno is bad with pocket pressure just wait till we had Darnold under center. It would be a catastrophe.
I'd rather roll with Geno.

 

[James in PA]

Danny Dimes for the win!

 

[bigskydoc]

One problem is, Geno's net contract is 25 million next year.

Darnold is currently 10 million APY, but he will be more expensive than Geno.

Cheaper contracts, presuming they are available, would get someone like Gardner Minshew, Caleb Williams, Trey Lance, Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Carson Wentz...

 

[bigskydoc]

Unless you see a QBOTF in the 2026 draft, and you want to tank for him, I don't see why you go with one of those options, over just having Geno play out his contract.

If that QBOTF is there, then go cheap as possible for 2025, and use the savings to build your line.

 

[Ozzy]

One problem is, Geno's net contract is 25 million next year.

Darnold is currently 10 million APY, but he will be more expensive than Geno.

Cheaper contracts, presuming they are available, would get someone like Gardner Minshew, Caleb Williams, Trey Lance, Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Carson Wentz...

I don’t think Geno plays for 25 but I could be wrong?

 

[bigskydoc]

I don’t think Geno plays for 25 but I could be wrong?

That's his cap hit minus the dead cap if we cut him. It costs us 25 million more to keep him than to cut him.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I for one am NOT on the Howell bandwagon but on the “we need to know if he is any good on the Seahawks so we know what to do in the off season“ wagon. And I don’t think last game was enough information to base a decision on.

I am WAY OFF the JS wagon. He can go screw up a different team and needs to get his sorry ineptness at building Lines and getting good QBs out of Seattle. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while and he hasn’t found many in a DECADE. I know many give him a complete pass on EVERY bad decision EVER made but I think that is completely moronic.

 

[Ostatehawk]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, our main chance to get him was the summer RW3 left and Geno was far better at that point. I'd rather have Mayfield than Geno now but the Geno of 2022 was better.

Was it a mistake not to draft Purdy in the 7th Round that year?

Purdy would either be dead or crippled behind our O-line.

 

[toffee]

I’m only going to add that Geno was viewed the exact same way Sam is for almost a decade. You never know. I think Howell is talented so he has the tool. Now it’s a long shot he’s the next Geno but I wouldn’t say it’s impossible. I’m also not saying I want him to have the job next year, I don’t

Therefore, in San Howell we shall trust!

Looking though the eyes of GeNOs, Mayfield did it, Darnold did it, even GeNO can do it, surely our Howell is the next one, isn't he?

 

[Ozzy]

Therefore, in San Howell we shall trust!

Looking though the eyes of GeNOs, Mayfield did it, Darnold did it, even GeNO can do it, surely our Howell is the next one, isn't he?

I don’t get your constant sarcasm lol. No one thinks Howell is the answer.

 

[Kamcussionator]

Geno's our best option for next season. Cutting him will just leave us without a competent Quarterback. Oh sure, everyone hopes that some 21-year old out there is going to make the jump from the college game to the pros and set the world on fire, but that is pipe-dream stuff. And we all know about the franchise failures that keep drafting top 5 because they continue to follow that pipe dream.

Keeping Geno means we remain a playoff-caliber team on the rise, and a place players will want to come.

Next year's draft has a lot of DBs, some Edge and DTs, and a few OL. There are no superstar QBs. Going with the premise that were are in good shape at DB, and that the suckers in the top 10 will reach for QBs and skill position players, we should have a few decent OL/DL prospects fall to us around pick 20.

Lockett and George Fant will be cap casualties, which means we'll have plenty of money to re-sign Ernest Jones, (perhaps) Jarran Reed, and either Josh Jobe or Tre Brown. So I could see us taking a DL like Kenneth Grant (especially if both Hankings and Reed walk), then an IOL like Booker or Ratledge in the second to replace Tomlinson.

Geno will keep us covered at QB for another year, so we can run a few more guys through camp to see if they can beat out Howell -- but I doubt they will, he's a decent QB -- so then it's a matter of shopping other team's prospects and getting ready to pounce when that player hits FA. Geno's a free agent in 2026, so we can shop with that money or resign him for nearly the same money assuming he doesn't completely ball out next year.

So yeah, I think we're in good shape. I am not worried at all.

 

[Ozzy]

Probably a surprise or many but I’m not against that either depending on who goes where in the draft and how much money he wants. I don’t think he plays for 25 but if he does then it’s probably your best option. I still want to get a guy for the future either way

 

[Natethegreat]

The most likely outcome is Geno at QB and I'm fine with that. Unless he wants a huge extension. Then I'm not.

 

[bigskydoc]

Probably a surprise or many but I’m not against that either depending on who goes where in the draft and how much money he wants. I don’t think he plays for 25 but if he does then it’s probably your best option. I still want to get a guy for the future either way

Now I see what you are saying. I agree, Geno isn't re-signing for 25 million APY. He will likely demand something closer to 36 mil APY.

 

[Rat]

I don’t get your constant sarcasm lol. No one thinks Howell is the answer.

He's been doing that for weeks. For some reason, it really struck a nerve when in a poll, which didn't even mention Howell, the majority voted for the option saying they didn't want to give Geno a contract extension. Somehow, he concluded that not yet wanting to commit to giving new money to a 36-year-old in two years, means that we all want Howell to be starting now.

It's annoying, but I suppose I can respect the commitment to the bit.