Geno injury

[SoulfishHawk]

I wish Geno would use his legs more. Could be a real weapon.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I'm just arguing against bad decisions. I don't think Geno makes bad decisions as much as he's made bad throws.

Does that make me a Geno fanboy?

If you actually want to take the time to watch the All-22 (as you and I have), the fact that Geno's decision making is usually pretty sound on most of these plays stands out like a sore thumb. But that's not what most people want to do (And frankly, they shouldn't. Football isn't that important. Don't waste your life as I have! Save yourself!)


But even still, there has to be some just basic good faith used in these discussions. I mean, look at this:

Geno Smith in the Red Zone, various OCs -2013-2023- 64 TDs to 4 INTs.

Geno Smith in the Red Zone, Ryan Grubb as OC -2024- 9 TDs to 4 INTs.


How completely do you have to have made up your mind in advance as to what the problem is in this instance to look at those two things and go: You know, I'm sure it can't be the first-time OC with no NFL experience whatsoever. It must be the Pro Bowl QB who never had this issue before! He must be the problem!

The reality is that Geno is making the best decisions that are provided to him by his OC's scheme and that's the real problem we have. Geno's already in the top half of the league in QBs in terms of Turnover Worthy Plays (was top 10 last time I saw a full ranking but I don't pay for PFF), success rate (12th), On Target Throw Rate (5th), and Bad Throw Rate (2nd)... you know, the types of stats that are supposed to judge 'decision making'.

If you make Geno the best QB in the league in terms of bad throws instead of just second best, the difference is a total of 3 pass attempts.

Across 14 games.

The idea that we can wring substantial improvement out of this offense just by getting better decision making out of Geno is a fallacy and one I hope Macdonald and Grubb aren't buying into if they are going to not repeat the mistakes they made against the Packers.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Ah, how predictable. He went and dug up THAT play.

Doesn't disprove what we know from his other 15,000 dropbacks. Peyton was famous for being a pocket quarterback.

And Geno DOES have wheels, especially impressive ones for his age. He's gotten national attention for it.

His problem is his red-zone decision-making, not his lack of mobility. I understand you need to vent, but there's plenty to criticise him for without making things up.

I’m not trying to say Peyton wasn’t a drop back quarterback. Clearly, I’m saying he commanded the pocket and moved when he needed to. He didn’t stand there tall acting invincible as the pocket enveloped him. You are trying to twist what I’m saying. I’m saying Peyton avoided the rush better than geno does and Peyton was stiff as a board.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Ah, how predictable. He went and dug up THAT play.

Doesn't disprove what we know from his other 15,000 dropbacks. Peyton was famous for being a pocket quarterback.

And Geno DOES have wheels, especially impressive ones for his age. He's gotten national attention for it.

His problem is his red-zone decision-making, not his lack of mobility. I understand you need to vent, but there's plenty to criticise him for without making things up.

You make my point for me. Geno has wheels and still stands there in the pocket like everyone has no right to touch him. My point exactly

 

[Sperrydogg]

Ah, how predictable. He went and dug up THAT play.

Doesn't disprove what we know from his other 15,000 dropbacks. Peyton was famous for being a pocket quarterback.

And Geno DOES have wheels, especially impressive ones for his age. He's gotten national attention for it.

His problem is his red-zone decision-making, not his lack of mobility. I understand you need to vent, but there's plenty to criticise him for without making things up.

And if geno is so mobile why does this “one” time in Payton’s life that he ran an option look better than geno ever has.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Does that include his 12-yard scramble in Santa clara?

Right one of the few times Geno ran for instead of standing there till the clock ran out

 

[Sperrydogg]

A 4th quarter game winning drive is not a stat, it's what happened. Again and again and again. Deal with it or don't.

Semantics, you’re counting them aren’t you

 

[DarkVictory23]

And if geno is so mobile why does this “one” time in Payton’s life that he ran an option look better than geno ever has.

At the risk of interrupting you in the middle of replying to yourself over and over, Geno is averaging the second most yards per scramble in the league right now and the only guy averaging more is Matthew Stafford who has scrambled a grand total of 2 times. Geno has scrambled 21 times for nearly 230 yards.

So, uh, what are you even talking about?

 

[Ozzy]

Except, that is not what's happening. The INT on Sunday night was not "late decision making" it was pressure getting at the exact same time that Fant is meant to be open.

I don't think Geno has elite quickness in his decision making, but for all the "holding on to the ball" rhetoric, I just don't see it that much.

Because Geno's stats are so poor in the RZ I've spent a lot of time in the All 22 and have come to the conclusion that our offense is just bad. Playcalling, Geno's inaccuracy at times -- sometimes that we just can't get a good run in the RZ.

Our receivers are also woefully inept at getting open and whether that's just running routes that ignore where the defense actually plays or actual ineptitude.

I want to be clear, Geno has also made some horrrrrrrible throws in the RZ this year, but it's not solely on him.

I don’t think you’re far off at all and I largely agree but if I was placing blame I’d start with Geno. Even though he faces pressure a 12 year vet doesn’t make that throw. He does the same stuff he did before Grubb got here. There was a game last year where he had two touchdowns in the red zone that he just couldn’t process and get it out. To his credit he admitted it post game. I just think with the condensed field it highlights some of his weaknesses. He does a lot of good things too but the red zone isn’t it.

I’ve always said whichever side of the Geno debate you’re on you can find something that convinces you you’re right. He does some things at an elite level so people cling to that and are baffled people don’t agree. He also does things at a below starter level and if cling to those you get the same result and you’re baffled the pro Geno crowd doesn’t see it.

Hes not trash and he’s not elite, he’s like a lot of guys that are in the middle tier.

 

[Sperrydogg]

At the risk of interrupting you in the middle of replying to yourself over and over, Geno is averaging the second most yards per scramble in the league right now and the only guy averaging more is Matthew Stafford who has scrambled a grand total of 2 times. Geno has scrambled 21 times for nearly 230 yards.

So, uh, what are you even talking about?

I’m talking about the myriads of times geno takes sacks on third down. And I’m not talking about scrambling. I’m talking about moving to avoid the rush that we can’t block. If he is the 2nd best scrambler in the league why does he stand in the pocket till he gets sacked on third down.

 

[Natethegreat]

I’m talking about the myriads of times geno takes sacks on third down. And I’m not talking about scrambling. I’m talking about moving to avoid the rush that we can’t block. If he is the 2nd best scrambler in the league why does he stand in the pocket till he gets sacked on third down.

I think he is trying to make a play and that's understandable but you have to understand the down and where you are at on the field and just throw the ball away or escape the pocket.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I wish Geno would use his legs more. Could be a real weapon.

Yes, apparently he averages over 10 yards a carry….

 

[Sperrydogg]

I think he is trying to make a play and that's understandable but you have to understand the down and where you are at on the field and just throw the ball away or escape the pocket.

That’s what I’m being beaten to a pulp for trying to say.

 

[Ozzy]

I’m talking about the myriads of times geno takes sacks on third down. And I’m not talking about scrambling. I’m talking about moving to avoid the rush that we can’t block. If he is the 2nd best scrambler in the league why does he stand in the pocket till he gets sacked on third down.

Agreed. He doesn’t move as well within the pocket as he used to. I have no idea why, maybe age or whatever but it’s a valid point.

 

[hawkfan68]

I wish Geno would use his legs more. Could be a real weapon.

I wish Geno would use his head more in the red zone. The Seahawks could actually score more points.

 

[hawkfan68]

These may be examples of what folks are trying to say about Geno staying in the pocket and not moving -

SACKED by Rashan Gary | Packers vs. Seahawks

Devonte Wyatt SACK | Packers vs. Seahawks

In that second video, most QBs would attempt to scramble to the side instead of cower down like a fallen prey.

 

[Sperrydogg]

This may be an example of what folks are trying to say about Geno staying in the pocket and not moving -

SACKED by Rashan Gary | Packers vs. Seahawks

Yep… stafford would not have got sacked right there and geno is more mobile and faster than Stafford

 

[hawkfan68]

Here's more on Geno not moving from the pocket -

Javon Solomon drops Smith for an 11-yard sack | Bills at Seahawks

Javon Hargrave Takes Down Geno Smith on an Eight-Yard Sack

More of Geno's mental magic while he was with the Jets -

Jets QB Geno Smith sacked for the safety

 

[Sperrydogg]

Here's more on Geno not moving from the pocket -

Javon Solomon drops Smith for an 11-yard sack | Bills at Seahawks

Javon Hargrave Takes Down Geno Smith on an Eight-Yard Sack

More of Geno's mental magic while he was with the Jets -

Jets QB Geno Smith sacked for the safety

This is what I’m talking about. We did not sack Matt Stafford once even though we had constant pressure

 

[hawkfan68]

This is what I’m talking about. We did not sack Matt Stafford once even though we had constant pressure

Here's one more when it was 4th and goal vs. Jets

Highlight | Quincy Williams Sacks Geno Smith on Fourth-and-Goal