Short yardage issues

[cymatica]

I don't care about what a poll says. He absolutely can and has high pointed the ball. I think you're creating something that doesn't exist.
I'm not gonna' be convinced otherwise. It's an opinion, just like yours.
He high pointed a TD in the Miami game. He goes up and grabs balls all the time.

Not worth arguing over. I think he can and does, many don't, big deal. He's a whipping boy for a lot of people, cool.
Again, I've already had a timeout because people had to tattle on me, not going thru that again.
I just wanna' talk football. I miss when we could just talk football on here w/out every single thing being an argument of some sort. I'm not asking you to be a DK fan, you're not required to. Just like the Geno stuff, I'm not required to believe in the guy. I feel strongly about my opinions, just like everyone else. That's still allowed right?

You must be watching a different player. He almost never catches the ball with his hands, that's not an opinion it's a fact. I've even watched many of his catches in slow motion and the common theme is body catches, even when he tries to high point the ball. In fact I think it was the Miami game where he tried to high point it, and it real time it looked like he did, then you slow it down and see the ball slip through his hands and get caught on his body, he almost dropped it.

No not an opinion, it's a fact he doesn't high point the ball, not sure how it can even be an opinion when it's a specific action that he either does or doesn't. Sure he can, and he does it once in a blue moon, but he's horrible at it and frequently mis-times his jumps.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Agree to disagree. It's an opinion, just like yours. It's not a FACT just because you say it is. You probably are like many and just don't like the guy. And that's fine.

Go Hawks

 

[cymatica]

Agree to disagree. It's an opinion, just like yours. It's not a FACT just because you say it is. You probably are like many and just don't like the guy. And that's fine.

Go Hawks

It's a fact because it's based on his body of work. An opinion would be if you think he's a good overall receiver, there isn't an opinion on whether he is good at or frequently successfully high points the ball. Either he is good at it, bad at it, or just average. It's a fact that most of the time he tries to jump up to high point the ball, he either lets it come to him or the defender breaks it up if he tries to use just his hands.

May as well claim it's an opinion that Lockett has good hands or is a good route runner. I guess you could just ignore his body of work and claim it's an opinion, wouldn't be based on reality though.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

To you it is. You don't get to tell me that my opinion is wrong and that your opinion is automatically "facts"

Next topic

 

[Maelstrom787]

Every thread lol. Every thread.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Exactly. You make excuses for Geno in every thread. It's impressive. And that's fine. We both believe what we believe.
I'm not seeking your approval. We will never see eye to eye, and that's also fine.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

Please no running Murphy--that won't fix our horrible o line

 

[Mizak]

Exactly. You make excuses for Geno in every thread. It's impressive. And that's fine. We both believe what we believe.
I'm not seeking your approval. We will never see eye to eye, and that's also fine.

But u make excuses for DK every thread too. See how a hypocrite you are?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Exactly what I'm saying. I stick up for my guy, he sticks up for his. It's not some huge tragedy. Ignore button works too.
I'm just having a conversation. I suspect I'll get reported for doing nothing wrong.
And I absolutely do NOT make excuses for DK in every thread. If he's playing like crap and/or doing something stupid, I'll call him out for it. Already did earlier this year a few times. I'll gladly bow out. Just isn't worth it sometimes..........

Go Hawks

 

[rigelian]

Please no running Murphy--that won't fix our horrible o line

True, but it might be entertaining ---- until he gets hurt.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Big Game Sunday. Go Hawks!

 

[Hawkspeed]

Wow, I just read through the entire thread and no one has mentioned the idea of using Byron Murphy as a Fullback. He had two touchdowns last year, a pass and a short yardage run. (edit, sorry I missed the comments directly above mine)
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1791...-help-fix-seattle-seahawks-goal-line-offense/

Our offensive line also needs to adopt a Legion of Boom type of toughness attitude. After so many changes they might be unsure...But, just "play to dominate" the guy across from you. I think they are starting to do that.

 

[Flyingsquad23]

The Hawks have run 74 plays on 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 1-3 yards togo… 41 times (22 run 19 pass) they made the first down. With an average of 2.7,2.5 and 1.1 rushing.
Overall they are averaging 8.73 ToGo on 2nd and 8.35 on 3rd which means they really have sucked on 1st and 2nd down.

As far as formation the splits show they are considerably better running out of shotgun compared to under center…with almost even attempts (134-138) they avg. 4.7ypc from shotgun and 3.1 from under center. As for Geno he is completing 70.1% in shotgun compared to 58.1% under center.

The Hawks are averaging 1.9 ypc in the red zone and that goes down to 1.5 inside the 10.
36-70 10td

Passing in the RZ is even more dismal… 20 completions on 40 attempts with 7td and that drops to a mind numbing 4-21 4td inside the 10 yard line.

The odd thing is even with the poor RZ numbers they rank #12 in RZ scoring.

This offense is close to reaching the next level, if the run blocking could improve even just 25% a lot of these problems get minimized.

Unfortunately there are several other factors that have held them back. They are #32 in average starting position and early down penalties. Interestingly they have been penalized almost double at home vs. away(60-29).

I guess for me it shows that success is really in the details, it takes execution in every phase of the game. I think Grubb deserves more than 12 games to get the whole unit firing on all cylinders.

 

[olyfan63]

It's a fact because it's based on his body of work. An opinion would be if you think he's a good overall receiver, there isn't an opinion on whether he is good at or frequently successfully high points the ball. Either he is good at it, bad at it, or just average. It's a fact that most of the time he tries to jump up to high point the ball, he either lets it come to him or the defender breaks it up if he tries to use just his hands.

May as well claim it's an opinion that Lockett has good hands or is a good route runner. I guess you could just ignore his body of work and claim it's an opinion, wouldn't be based on reality though.

I have a Belgian Malinois who likes to fetch frisbees. When we started, 3 weeks ago, she would jump randomly as soon as I threw it, with no care about where it was actually going, and then run after it. 3 weeks later, now she patiently observes where the frisbee is going, chases it down, adjusts to its flight pattern, and makes an acrobatic jump to high point the frisbee and catch it in her mouth. I'm shocked, because I worried the random jump was as good as it was going to get. I didn't do anything special, just gave her consistent reps and she improved on her own.

I've observed, historically, that DK "underperforms" on contested high point catches. Or is there a highlight reel that disproves this belief? Anyway, I don't know if that underperformance is true again this season, DK has probably been working on that and may have improved. We need to give DK room to improve, and be alert for those times when he shows improvement, breaks the narrative. I'll be looking for those types of catches for the remainder of the season. Might be worth it to give DK a thread to document his high point successes and failures.

 

[cymatica]

I have a Belgian Malinois who likes to fetch frisbees. When we started, 3 weeks ago, she would jump randomly as soon as I threw it, with no care about where it was actually going, and then run after it. 3 weeks later, now she patiently observes where the frisbee is going, chases it down, adjusts to its flight pattern, and makes an acrobatic jump to high point the frisbee and catch it in her mouth. I'm shocked, because I worried the random jump was as good as it was going to get. I didn't do anything special, just gave her consistent reps and she improved on her own.

I've observed, historically, that DK "underperforms" on contested high point catches. Or is there a highlight reel that disproves this belief? Anyway, I don't know if that underperformance is true again this season, DK has probably been working on that and may have improved. We need to give DK room to improve, and be alert for those times when he shows improvement, breaks the narrative. I'll be looking for those types of catches for the remainder of the season. Might be worth it to give DK a thread to document his high point successes and failures.

He's in year 6. He is who he is. If he somehow flipped a switch and became a natural catcher, that would be an anomaly.

 

[cymatica]

Not sure what's so funny about that SoulfishHawk. You are literally the only person I've talked to that thinks he has good hands and high points the ball. Literally the only person, not 1 other.

 

[IndyHawk]

Wow, I just read through the entire thread and no one has mentioned the idea of using Byron Murphy as a Fullback. He had two touchdowns last year, a pass and a short yardage run. (edit, sorry I missed the comments directly above mine)
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1791...-help-fix-seattle-seahawks-goal-line-offense/

Our offensive line also needs to adopt a Legion of Boom type of toughness attitude. After so many changes they might be unsure...But, just "play to dominate" the guy across from you. I think they are starting to do that.

It's a nice thought but I think the Hawks are worried
about Murphy getting injured while running.
He's too valuable for the defense.

 

[toffee]

Every thread lol. Every thread.

Exactly. You make excuses for Geno in every thread. It's impressive. And that's fine. We both believe what we believe.
I'm not seeking your approval. We will never see eye to eye, and that's also fine.

The debates between young Maelstrom and our senior member SoulFish is always fun to read, more fun after SoulFish enjoyed his old fashioned.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Please no running Murphy--that won't fix our horrible o line

It’d be rad though, Murphy scoring a TD and then the dance

 

[Sperrydogg]

I have a Belgian Malinois who likes to fetch frisbees. When we started, 3 weeks ago, she would jump randomly as soon as I threw it, with no care about where it was actually going, and then run after it. 3 weeks later, now she patiently observes where the frisbee is going, chases it down, adjusts to its flight pattern, and makes an acrobatic jump to high point the frisbee and catch it in her mouth. I'm shocked, because I worried the random jump was as good as it was going to get. I didn't do anything special, just gave her consistent reps and she improved on her own.

I've observed, historically, that DK "underperforms" on contested high point catches. Or is there a highlight reel that disproves this belief? Anyway, I don't know if that underperformance is true again this season, DK has probably been working on that and may have improved. We need to give DK room to improve, and be alert for those times when he shows improvement, breaks the narrative. I'll be looking for those types of catches for the remainder of the season. Might be worth it to give DK a thread to document his high point successes and failures.

Or a frisbee