Opinion overall offense

[Sperrydogg]

I would say stagnated, I feel like geno looked better earlier, our run game probably has gotten worse, but our line play is climbing slowly so I feel like we started good got bad and are about right where we began, if we rise from here it can only be good right?

 

[KinesProf]

I voted stagnated. I think there is the talent to get better within this season though.

I think Geno is very very good, and playing better than the traditional stats would indicate. He's doing a lot with a very poor run game and oline. I hope the oline steadies a bit now that they have hopefully settled on the 5 to take them the rest of the season; and the inside running game, especially duo concepts, seemed to come to life this past Sunday.

I do have my concerns about Grubb and Huff though. They might not be NFL calibre coaches; and they each got fairly significant NFL gigs without even ever being quality control/assistant oline/assistant QB/QB coach at the NFL level. There's levels to this, and they might just not be cut out for the big leagues.

 

[Ozzy]

I think it’s potentially fallen back. It’s weird because the line has improved, the defense has vastly improved, JSN has gotten much better as well yet it feels like Geno and Walker have regressed.

 

[toffee]

My eyeballs:

Geno Dec 2023 > Geno Dec 2024,
Geno Sept-Oct 2023 < Geno Sept-Oct2024
Geno 2023 > Geno 2024
Running game 2023 > Running game 2024
Passing game 2023 = Passing game 2024
JSN 2023 < JSN 2024
Lockett 2023 > Lockett 2024
DK 2023 = DK 2024

 

[Shane Falco]

Fell backwards. This offense is harder and harder to watch.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Stagnated--ish? I'm not sure how to vote.

We haven't stagnated in the sense that we aren't trying to do different things, but we stagnated in terms of results. The Jets game was actually a better overall performance from our offense than we've had in recent weeks (I think the failure at the 1-yard line and the lack of total drives because of special teams turnovers made it feel like our offense was playing worse than they were).

Our game plan was much different though. This was the only game where we were behind for a majority of it but still ran more on first down than passed. Was this a concerted effort by Grubb to change up tendencies? Did we see something from Laumea and/or the Jets defense that we thought we could exploit the run game more? Was it in response to the weather? Honestly, no idea, but it was definitely an out-of-character game plan for us this season.

What's interesting about that as well is that we actually got our runs stuffed slightly more often than average, we got less yards per carry than our average, yet our running game was actually more successful than average. I don't even know what to make of that.

So, have we stagnated if we are still making changes and trying to attempt different things? Do we view the small upswing in this game as moving up? Or the downswing since Atlanta as moving down?

Really not sure.

 

[bileever]

I think it's regressed a bit. I thought the offense did fairly well against a pretty good Detroit team, scoring 29 points. Since then, it's been pretty awful. I concede that the O-line has been terrible, but I think a good coordinator schemes a way to get more out of them.

I don't think the Grubb's failures have anything to do with the fact that he hasn't coached in the NFL in any other capacity previously. A smart coach can figure out the differences and account for them. There have been plenty of coaches who have come up from the college ranks and had immediate success in the pro ranks, both coordinators and head coaches. I think the larger reality is that UW's success was more attributable to Kalen DeBoer than to Ryan Grubb. (Just as anyone who hires Aden Durde because of the Seahawk defense will be in for a big surprise.)

I think either Grubb figures it out in the next 5 games, or he's gone.

 

[toffee]

Before critiquing our new OC, let's see the cards he was dealt with.

1. QB
   Geno is a year older, has he started regressing?
2. RBs
   K9 and Char should be as good as 2023.
3. WR:
   DK is at his prime.
   JSN should be better with a year under his belt.
   Lockett probably readying himself for life after football.
4. TE:
   Fant is Fant
   Pharaoh probably not as good as Uncle Will
   Barner probably not as good as Parkinson.
5. OL:
   LT - If Cross 24 isn't better than Cross 23, we wasted a pick, but he is better.
   LG - Lewis was better
   C - Conner/Olu - better
   RG - equally bad
   RT - Lucas 24 better than Lucas 23.

Other than Geno, which we aren't sure, the rest is as good as 2023?

 

[hox]

	2023	23 Rank	2024 So Far	24 Rank	Comments
PPG	21.4	17th	22.7	15th	MID
TDs Per Game	2.2	21st	2.7	9th	Above Average
Total Yards Per Game	322	22nd	339	16th	MID
Yards Per Rush Attempt	4.1	18th	3.9	29th	SUCKS
Rush Yards Per Game	92.9	27th	88.7	28th	SUCKS
Yards Per Pass Attempt	7.2	11th	7.5	12th	MID
Pass Yards Per Game	230	15th	250	2nd	TOP

 

[Ozzy]

It’s pretty dang close to last year.

 

[cymatica]

Fell backwards standing on one foot, laid down on the ground getting stepped on, now finally looks like they might be getting back up on both feet if and only if Grubb successfully adapts and figures out how to scheme some run plays that work.

 

[Sperrydogg]

	2023	23 Rank	2024 So Far	24 Rank	Comments
PPG	21.4	17th	22.7	15th	MID
TDs Per Game	2.2	21st	2.7	9th	Above Average
Total Yards Per Game	322	22nd	339	16th	MID
Yards Per Rush Attempt	4.1	18th	3.9	29th	SUCKS
Rush Yards Per Game	92.9	27th	88.7	28th	SUCKS
Yards Per Pass Attempt	7.2	11th	7.5	12th	MID
Pass Yards Per Game	230	15th	250	2nd	TOP

It’s crazy how small a difference can affect the rankings, like .5 tds per game is the difference between 21st and 9th. .2 rushing yards per 18th to 29th. Crazy, pretty cool chart.

 

[projectorfreak]

You really always have to take into account the defense they're playing against and all week long I kept hearing jets secondary was really good like top 10 and while it wasn't an orchestra performance from grubb I never felt like they weren't gonna have a good chance to win and the last 4 weeks the D has definitely been the BIG D so i'm tellin ya , there's always a chance
They know they gotta beat az and I think they will
Go Hawks

 

[Shane Falco]

	2023	23 Rank	2024 So Far	24 Rank	Comments
PPG	21.4	17th	22.7	15th	MID
TDs Per Game	2.2	21st	2.7	9th	Above Average
Total Yards Per Game	322	22nd	339	16th	MID
Yards Per Rush Attempt	4.1	18th	3.9	29th	SUCKS
Rush Yards Per Game	92.9	27th	88.7	28th	SUCKS
Yards Per Pass Attempt	7.2	11th	7.5	12th	MID
Pass Yards Per Game	230	15th	250	2nd	TOP

Last 5 games:

18.4
1.8
298
3.1
76.4
6.2
222.6

 

[nwHawk]

I voted stagnated, but for me it’s the predictable play calling. Execution isn’t there yet either. Guys play hard, but something is missing. If line can get a bit better, and the short yardage game gets to middle of the road life will feel better.

Is Grubb’s pass first system too complicated or too simple?

 

[Spohawks]

Better protection of the QB, however worse running lanes. I will say improved because they figured out how to make JSN flurish.

I think he is quietly becoming that next clutch receiver that Seattle always seems to have around.

 

[seahawks08]

Ryan Grubb is also trying really hard to utilize talent and find college level concepts in pro which is impossible. He is also learning pro style as you go, just realizing routes, timing, personnel packages and so on. I don’t think he has an answer yet. That’s my view

 

[Sperrydogg]

I voted stagnated, but for me it’s the predictable play calling. Execution isn’t there yet either. Guys play hard, but something is missing. If line can get a bit better, and the short yardage game gets to middle of the road life will feel better.

Is Grubb’s pass first system too complicated or too simple?

I hope it’s too complicated cause if it’s too simple then it’s not gonna get any better

 

[nwHawk]

If it’s too complicated, maybe it’s not being communicated well enough to the players to all get on the same page.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I put fell backwards but it’s really because when it was new teams still had to figure us out. Now there is a sample size and teams know what are our strengths and what are our weaknesses and lean into those.