Geno looked crazy good tonight

[Maelstrom787]

2022 - Week 4 - 23/30 - 320 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 132.6 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Week, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 5 - 16/25 - 268 Yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 139.7 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 11 - 27/37 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 106.6 Rate
2022 - Week 12 - 28/39 - 367 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 116.1 Rate
2023 - Week 2 - 32/41 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 116.3 Rate, Top 5 Passer of the Week
2023 - Week 7 - 18/24 - 219 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 113.0 Rate
2023 - Week 9 - 31/47 - 369 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 103.9 Rate
2023 - Week 13 - 23/41 - 334 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 97.0 Rate


2022 - NFL Comeback Player of the Year, NFL PFWA Most Improved Player of the Year, Pro Bowl, NFC Offensive Player of the Month (October), NFC Player of the Week (Week 4), Top 10 in Passer Rating and QBR.


Honest question: Do you ever engage in these Geno Smith discussions in good faith?



Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A, and Success Rate. (He was, by the way, top 10 or better in all of those in 2022--except Success Rate where he was #11, and top 15 or better in 2023 with the lone exception of passer rating where he was #16.)

Press 'X' to doubt.

He hasn't been so far, so why would he be this time? Like, what could that assertion possibly be based on?

Careful. You're asking actual football questions. This tends to be when the vague derisive comments begin in place of a logical rebuttal.

 

[AROS]

2022 - Week 4 - 23/30 - 320 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 132.6 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Week, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 5 - 16/25 - 268 Yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 139.7 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 11 - 27/37 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 106.6 Rate
2022 - Week 12 - 28/39 - 367 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 116.1 Rate
2023 - Week 2 - 32/41 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 116.3 Rate, Top 5 Passer of the Week
2023 - Week 7 - 18/24 - 219 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 113.0 Rate
2023 - Week 9 - 31/47 - 369 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 103.9 Rate
2023 - Week 13 - 23/41 - 334 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 97.0 Rate


2022 - NFL Comeback Player of the Year, NFL PFWA Most Improved Player of the Year, Pro Bowl, NFC Offensive Player of the Month (October), NFC Player of the Week (Week 4), Top 10 in Passer Rating and QBR.


Honest question: Do you ever engage in these Geno Smith discussions in good faith?



Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A, and Success Rate. (He was, by the way, top 10 or better in all of those in 2022--except Success Rate where he was #11, and top 15 or better in 2023 with the lone exception of passer rating where he was #16.)

Press 'X' to doubt.

He hasn't been so far, so why would he be this time? Like, what could that assertion possibly be based on?

DarkVictory23 for the win.

 

[Double Tribble]

The Geno disdain here is gross.

I don't disdain him. I hope he does well. But he has to at least be good for more than a game or three and win a playoff game. He hasn't proved anything yet. I hope he can. The blind worship is gross.

 

[AROS]

I don't disdain him. I hope he does well. But he has to at least be good for more than a game or three. The blind worship is gross.

It's not blind worship. Many of our eyeballs work just fine. Give the man a chance with an AVERAGE OL and healthy running back group and let's revisit if he's worthy of MVP talk which in my 48 years of watching the NFL, I am gonna say YES.

 

[calinator]

I love Geno. He's an absolute breath of fresh air from the infuriating backyard all or nothing style we had with the other guy. That being said, he's not perfect and I think his ceiling is top 10-15. One thing I don't like that stands out to me is the zip on passes. So many times i've seen him throw to the sidelines and the ball would just float. It's in danger of the DB having time to jump the route and pick it off and also when it doesn't get their sooner the WR has no time to make any moves after the catch. I also wonder about his age, HOWEVER he doesn't have the miles that other QB's do for sure so his body should be able to hold up longer. Just my take.

 

[JayhawkMike]

2022 - Week 4 - 23/30 - 320 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 132.6 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Week, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 5 - 16/25 - 268 Yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 139.7 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 11 - 27/37 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 106.6 Rate
2022 - Week 12 - 28/39 - 367 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 116.1 Rate
2023 - Week 2 - 32/41 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 116.3 Rate, Top 5 Passer of the Week
2023 - Week 7 - 18/24 - 219 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 113.0 Rate
2023 - Week 9 - 31/47 - 369 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 103.9 Rate
2023 - Week 13 - 23/41 - 334 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 97.0 Rate


2022 - NFL Comeback Player of the Year, NFL PFWA Most Improved Player of the Year, Pro Bowl, NFC Offensive Player of the Month (October), NFC Player of the Week (Week 4), Top 10 in Passer Rating and QBR.


Honest question: Do you ever engage in these Geno Smith discussions in good faith?



Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A, and Success Rate. (He was, by the way, top 10 or better in all of those in 2022--except Success Rate where he was #11, and top 15 or better in 2023 with the lone exception of passer rating where he was #16.)

Press 'X' to doubt.

He hasn't been so far, so why would he be this time? Like, what could that assertion possibly be based on?

He has won ZERO playoff games. Yes, I can hear it already "He didn't get a chance because he wasn't a starter" You are RIGHT. He wasn't even good enough to be the starter.

I like our WRs and RBs. I'm okay with the line. I am a little skeptical of the TEs. Yes, even Fant. IF the offense fails it will be on Geno.

Geno may play his role adequately at times but he ELEVATES no one. He makes no one better than where they are already. There is no player that excelled with Geno that went to another team and flopped because they weren't playing with him.

One of the knocks in the past was having to dumb down the offense for him. Not sure if true or not but if true under the new OC I expect mistakes.

I want the Seahawks to win and he will be the reason they don't. He will turn out to be another in a long line of failed PC redemption projects.

Seriously, for the Geno lovers lets pick some stats TODAY that are indicators of success and see how those roll all season. Otherwise it will just be cherry picked excuses like yards per carry was for the loser RB we drafted a few years back. And if the stats say "top 10" I don't mind saying I was wrong.

 

[rcaido]

2022 - Week 4 - 23/30 - 320 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 132.6 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Week, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 5 - 16/25 - 268 Yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 139.7 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 11 - 27/37 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 106.6 Rate
2022 - Week 12 - 28/39 - 367 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 116.1 Rate
2023 - Week 2 - 32/41 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 116.3 Rate, Top 5 Passer of the Week
2023 - Week 7 - 18/24 - 219 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 113.0 Rate
2023 - Week 9 - 31/47 - 369 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 103.9 Rate
2023 - Week 13 - 23/41 - 334 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 97.0 Rate


2022 - NFL Comeback Player of the Year, NFL PFWA Most Improved Player of the Year, Pro Bowl, NFC Offensive Player of the Month (October), NFC Player of the Week (Week 4), Top 10 in Passer Rating and QBR.


Honest question: Do you ever engage in these Geno Smith discussions in good faith?



Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A, and Success Rate. (He was, by the way, top 10 or better in all of those in 2022--except Success Rate where he was #11, and top 15 or better in 2023 with the lone exception of passer rating where he was #16.)

Press 'X' to doubt.

He hasn't been so far, so why would he be this time? Like, what could that assertion possibly be based on?

So he is only good 25% of the time. This is qualifying him as a top 12qb. MVP conversations is at least top5. Plus the team needs to be winning. This is similar to Goff stats, he had the Lions win 12 games and was not even in the top10 in MVP voting.

 

[94Smith]

That throw to JSN though........filthy.

Nice route and catch too

 

[Maelstrom787]

He has won ZERO playoff games. Yes, I can hear it already "He didn't get a chance because he wasn't a starter" You are RIGHT. He wasn't even good enough to be the starter.

>He

This a team sport. The Seahawks have won no playoff games since the 2019 season. The rushing attacks and the defenses have been objectively worse than the Geno Smith pass game for 2 years straight.

I like our WRs and RBs. I'm okay with the line. I am a little skeptical of the TEs. Yes, even Fant. IF the offense fails it will be on Geno.

See? No one's buying the act. You will absolutely not reverse your opinion in the face of any evidence that could possibly be presented. You are admitting here that you will blame any offensive failure on Geno Smith regardless of what really happens because you have already determined your opinions on the individual positional groups.

Geno may play his role adequately at times but he ELEVATES no one. He makes no one better than where they are already. There is no player that excelled with Geno that went to another team and flopped because they weren't playing with him.

This is just bunk. For instance - he made a dreadful offensive line look pretty damn good in terms of sacks allowed because he didn't let pressures turn into sacks. In fact, he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league in 2023 at mitigating pressure.

And yeah, there haven't been many players that have left Seattle's offense in that timeframe. Certainly no good ones. Pointing at a sample size of essentially zero as proof that a phenomenon doesn't exist is just intellectually dishonest.

One of the knocks in the past was having to dumb down the offense for him. Not sure if true or not but if true under the new OC I expect mistakes.

You mean when he was a brand new starter in an offense that had to be essentially fully rebuilt because the old one was based around the most particular quarterback of all time? Yeah, they opened up the offense almost immediately.

I want the Seahawks to win and he will be the reason they don't. He will turn out to be another in a long line of failed PC redemption projects.

You have already determined what your opinion will be, as evidenced yet again here. You are not open to changing it. You will fit whatever evidence you can into your worldview and dismiss the rest as irrelevant or misleading, which you do right on cue here:

Seriously, for the Geno lovers lets pick some stats TODAY that are indicators of success and see how those roll all season. Otherwise it will just be cherry picked excuses like yards per carry was for the loser RB we drafted a few years back. And if the stats say "top 10" I don't mind saying I was wrong.

Seems like you're the one cherrypicking here. Stats need to be used in context. Balanced with the tale of the tape. Worthless without each other.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Maelstrom, this was an amazingly logical post, and well responded to. However, I don't think Jayhawk and others (Pittpanthers, others) care about logic and reason. Emotion drives their conclusions ahead of time. Confirmation bias only bolsters their arguments, and evidence against is discounted.

Geno is neither a savior nor the reason for a collapse. He's an above average member of an entire team, and should the team improve, it's possible Geno may as well.

 

[Lagartixa]

2022 - Week 4 - 23/30 - 320 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 132.6 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Week, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 5 - 16/25 - 268 Yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 139.7 Rate, NFC Offensive Player of the Month, Top Passer of the Week
2022 - Week 11 - 27/37 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 106.6 Rate
2022 - Week 12 - 28/39 - 367 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 116.1 Rate
2023 - Week 2 - 32/41 - 328 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 116.3 Rate, Top 5 Passer of the Week
2023 - Week 7 - 18/24 - 219 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 113.0 Rate
2023 - Week 9 - 31/47 - 369 Yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 103.9 Rate
2023 - Week 13 - 23/41 - 334 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 97.0 Rate


2022 - NFL Comeback Player of the Year, NFL PFWA Most Improved Player of the Year, Pro Bowl, NFC Offensive Player of the Month (October), NFC Player of the Week (Week 4), Top 10 in Passer Rating and QBR.


Honest question: Do you ever engage in these Geno Smith discussions in good faith?



Passer Rating, QBR, ANY/A, and Success Rate. (He was, by the way, top 10 or better in all of those in 2022--except Success Rate where he was #11, and top 15 or better in 2023 with the lone exception of passer rating where he was #16.)

Press 'X' to doubt.

He hasn't been so far, so why would he be this time? Like, what could that assertion possibly be based on?

A thrashing that thorough in a discussion is rare, and I find myself unable to feel bad for the recipient, who loudly and repeatedly demanded it. Nice job, @DarkVictory23

 

[pittpnthrs]

Maelstrom, this was an amazingly logical post, and well responded to. However, I don't think Jayhawk and others (Pittpanthers, others) care about logic and reason. Emotion drives their conclusions ahead of time. Confirmation bias only bolsters their arguments, and evidence against is discounted.

Geno is neither a savior nor the reason for a collapse. He's an above average member of an entire team, and should the team improve, it's possible Geno may as well.

Logic and reason? My logic and reason for my opinions about Geno is that regardless of any numbers and stats, he's never been an above .500 winning QB and he's never won a post season game. My opinion will change if he ever improves upon those things, but he has to prove that he can first. Its pretty black and white for me. All I ever hear from everybody else is excuses as to why he never succeeds. Its never his fault seemingly.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I didn't say he would or wouldn't. Let's see how this season goes for him.

I hear ya. I hope he IS in the conversation. That means good things for the Hawks.
It's just odd to me that Geno seems to be above criticism by many. I don't get it, but oh well. He's our QB and hopefully he balls out. He's not even top 10 and people want to spout statistics over wins and PLAYOFFS. Stats don't equal greatness or wins.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Maelstrom, this was an amazingly logical post, and well responded to. However, I don't think Jayhawk and others (Pittpanthers, others) care about logic and reason. Emotion drives their conclusions ahead of time. Confirmation bias only bolsters their arguments, and evidence against is discounted.

Geno is neither a savior nor the reason for a collapse. He's an above average member of an entire team, and should the team improve, it's possible Geno may as well.

I have had him blocked for a long time So no idea what he says.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I hear ya. I hope he IS in the conversation. That means good things for the Hawks.
It's just odd to me that Geno seems to be above criticism by many. I don't get it, but oh well. He's our QB and hopefully he balls out. He's not even top 10 and people want to spout statistics over wins and PLAYOFFS. Stats don't equal greatness or wins.

People don’t follow the NFL much if they can’t easily name 10 better NFL QBs without even looking.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I guess I just don't get why he gets put up there like he's some elite, clutch QB. Like breaking records when you played 17 games. Ok........how about winning a playoff game first. JUST ONCE.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I guess I just don't get why he gets put up there like he's some elite, clutch QB. Like breaking records when you played 17 games. Ok........how about winning a playoff game first. JUST ONCE.

I'm in the same boat, but i'm not above changing my opinion if he actually does something along the line of winning 11 or 12 games or a playoff win. I think he has two years to prove something. If he doesn't, cant see where my opinion was wrong.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Maelstrom, this was an amazingly logical post, and well responded to. However, I don't think Jayhawk and others (Pittpanthers, others) care about logic and reason. Emotion drives their conclusions ahead of time. Confirmation bias only bolsters their arguments, and evidence against is discounted.

Geno is neither a savior nor the reason for a collapse. He's an above average member of an entire team, and should the team improve, it's possible Geno may as well.

Sounds like your describing yourself. Geno playoff games won in his long career. Zero. His supporters will blame everyone but him. He either wasn’t good enough to start or not good enough to win.

total playoff failure. And it’s not like it’s his 3rd year in the league.

 

[CouchLogic]

Has Geno ever been on a PO caliber team....

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yes