“We Still Mad”. Bobby Wagner

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Meh. I kinda get it but I’m over it.

What I’m still not over and still to this day have not watched it again is XL. 🤬

Yup. I have gotten over the way 49 ended. Still sucks, and plenty of blame to go around of course, but I will NEVER get over that SHAM of a Super Bowl (40*).
 

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Yeah, a run isn't a guaranteed outcome - but they had time.

They had success throwing to the outside parts of the end zone that game, but didn't really give any look to leverage that

I personally would have loved a read option type play. That was a strength.
 

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I don't buy the russ conspiracy, but it did apparently resonate.

It was an idiotic call because it didn't account for personnel - which was a major Bevell flaw.

What looks good on a board may not make sense in the field.

That play needed Kearse to win a physical matchup against Browner at the goal line - ridiculous ask and one Seattle should have known given what Browner did for Seattle.

Russ needing to throw a which firing timing short route over the middle - not his strength

Lockette, a seldom used receiver that leans on speed and getting down the field, must run and execute a fast precision route out of the slot

Seattle didn't even do anything in personnel to move the NE defense and try to turn anything to their favor

They needed 3 elements executed they led to the weakest part of a players game and not their strengths
Agree 100% with your strength vs weakness assessment on this.

Well done.
 

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I don't know where this idea that it was an audible came from, but it was not. Pete has stated in every interview he has done on the game that he called for a pass play. There is video of him telling Bevell over the headset to "Give me a pass play here." It was on the ITunes version of the game recap. I still have it on my old computer that the CPU gave out on. At some point I will have the hard drive contents extracted cuz there is music on there I still want, but that video has to be out there somewhere.

Carroll explains it in this interview: https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-p...u could run on 2nd,t think you would fumble."
Russell wasn't the focal point of this play call at all. It was "ball logic" according to the man that wanted a pass. Bevell called a stupid play given the circumstances.

Further evidence:

One thing to also bring up is that Sherman did an interview and I can't remember if it was with KJ or not, but he said that the defense in particular lost confidence in Carroll because of that play because all of them were of the opinion that you run the ball with Lynch and of course you score, but because he chose to pass, that he wasn't as in tune with the guys as they believed. That is paraphrasing cuz I can't find the video right now (starting work soon), but why would the defense lose confidence in Carroll over the pass being called if Wilson had audibled?
 

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That game was like chinese water torture. The Steeler/Betis/Detroit thing had so much influence. Sad really.

It was beyond disgusting. Detroit mayor giving the key to the city to Bettis the week leading up to the game, Steelers banners/bars everywhere downtown (ONE bar was Seahawks friendly) and the people working the gates leading into the game were all passing out Terrible Towels. No Seahawks towels were ever offered.

The NFL wanted the story line to have one ending and one ending only.

They got what they wanted.
 

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That play was both an unnecessary risk and not utilizing or playing to our strengths. You have the shortest QB in the league playing in his second year throwing over and through huge linemen to a second string receiver on a timing play whose moving parts were a bit more sophisticated than need be. It was a horrible call given the circumstances and who and what it depended upon.

If you're going to do a pass play, you're best off faking a hand off to Lynch and giving RW, the slipperiest QB in the NFL at the time, a run/pass option, and if it's a pass it's to a receiver on a route where only they have a chance to catch it, and if the play breaks down you simply thro it away, not force it under any circumstance. The Hawks had plenty of pass plays on the chart with this basic concept in mind.

Or you just hand the ball to Lynch with the high probability he scores, and if he doesn't, you merely call timeout and organize two final plays.

Head coaches and their staffs are paid to know a lot more than us and to rehearse situations like this before they happen. Did the actually rehearse a situation like this and come up with this shyt play?
 

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I feel like most people don't hit the "letting it go" or acceptance stage of their life until their mid life crisis around the 40s and on, and even then not everyone learns how to create their peace.

Insert all the quotes for inner peace
- It is what it is
- Life by lifing
- You can't change the past
- You can't control the future
- Control what you can control
- Bitterness is like drinking poison while hoping the other person dies
 

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That play was both an unnecessary risk and not utilizing or playing to our strengths. You have the shortest QB in the league playing in his second year throwing over and through huge linemen to a second string receiver on a timing play whose moving parts were a bit more sophisticated than need be. It was a horrible call given the circumstances and who and what it depended upon.

If you're going to do a pass play, you're best off faking a hand off to Lynch and giving RW, the slipperiest QB in the NFL at the time, a run/pass option, and if it's a pass it's to a receiver on a route where only they have a chance to catch it, and if the play breaks down you simply thro it away, not force it under any circumstance. The Hawks had plenty of pass plays on the chart with this basic concept in mind.

Or you just hand the ball to Lynch with the high probability he scores, and if he doesn't, you merely call timeout and organize two final plays.

Head coaches and their staffs are paid to know a lot more than us and to rehearse situations like this before they happen. Did the actually rehearse a situation like this and come up with this shyt play?
Playing in his third year. We won the Super Bowl in his second year.
 

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That play haunts me. I've always thought the best play was a zone read with Wilson walking in on the left side. Their outside linebacker was as slow as anyone in the league and they overcommitted to stopping Lynch up the middle
Totally agree on this part.
The pass to Beast was also open on that side as well, the one time
Me3 needed to wing it and he doesn't.
I wonder if this can go to the part where he doesn't read defenses well?
 
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That play haunts me. I've always thought the best play was a zone read with Wilson walking in on the left side. Their outside linebacker was as slow as anyone in the league and they overcommitted to stopping Lynch up the middle and he wasn't as successful as we think he was in that regard. For me I'm still pissed at the play call with your special teams gunner being required to run a perfect route and thinking Kearse was going to win a one on one with Browner who was the best in the league in that regard. For me, that's what caused the pick and the fact that NE practiced for that specific play multiple times before the game. That's on the staff, not Russ, Not Lockette and even not Kearse.

We truly lost because everyone on the defense got hurt and they picked us a part. We also dropped a crucial third down that seals the game that Wilson dropped right in the bucket.

Such a strange game.
Excellent post. It conjures up a lot of memories "what ifs " whys" .
Of course Seattle is going to give away a Super bowl in the most bizarre way possible.
 

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"Pass the ball on second down" is hardly panicking, and passing on second was the sane and infinitely more defensible course of action from a situational standpoint.

There's a reason that play is considered one of the worst (if not the) ever called. Sure, I can get onboard with a pass play in that situation, but not a slant near the goal line with that kind of congestion, a short QB, and a defense that knew what the play was before the ball was even snapped.

Speaking of situational standpoint, common sense would tell anybody to run Lynch first with the momentum swing and gassed defense and then call your timeout if you don't score. You might even have two chances at a pass afterwards.
 

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I don't buy the idea that it was called in to try and make Russ look like a hero. What exactly does that accomplish for the team, coaches, organization? I can't think of anything. If anything all it does is give Russ a reason to negotiate an even higher salary.

I never believed that either because it just doesn't make sense to me. Especially in that situation.
 

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I’ve been over it, it sucked I can understand why some of these guys aren’t, however if they weren’t and if they lost confidence in PC then why did a few guys sign extensions or whatever, why did they stick around. Sometimes I feel like athletes like to play the “angry” card far to often as a disguise for other things.
 

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I’ve been over it, it sucked I can understand why some of these guys aren’t, however if they weren’t and if they lost confidence in PC then why did a few guys sign extensions or whatever, why did they stick around. Sometimes I feel like athletes like to play the “angry” card far to often as a disguise for other things.
I can agree a little with that. It could be they are comfortable with the environment here in Seattle. PNW, not alot of Media coverage, excellent facility and last but not least A GREAT FAN BASE!
 

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That was the worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg. Pete lost the team that day. Things were never the same.
Yup. I have echoed this many times. That play completely fractured the team. I think we are seeing this now.
We win that game and I think we win at least one more SB.
 
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I find it interesting how Russ gets so little of the blame in the larger discussion of the play. Was it a bad play call? Sure. But he made a bad throw in a tight window. It was his big chance to make the history books, and it didn't work out. He, and we as a team and fanbase, have never fully recovered. You lick your wounds and move on. MM is the step in that direction that should have happened years ago.
 

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