RW3's legacy

[hawkfan68]

I can agree with that but my issue is with people who use the stupid argument of seahawks were 7-9 before russell came and say the seahawks were nothing without him. Also, there are people that argue that he carried the Seahawks when he really didnt.

It is a stupid argument in your opinion but it is a fact the Seahawks were 7-9 before Russell Wilson became the QB (under Pete Carroll). Whether you think it’s stupid doesn’t change the facts. In 2010 they finished 7-9 and in 2011 again 7-9 (this with Lynch and LOB). However in Russell’s rookie season they finished 11-5 and went to the divisional round of the playoffs. It wasn’t only Russell who is reason for the improvement but he was one of the reasons among many including PC/JS, LOB, Lynch, Miller, ADB, etc.

 

[strohmin]

It may be a stupid argument to you but it is a fact the Seahawks were 7-9 before Russell Wilson became the QB (under Pete Carroll). In 2010 they finished 7-9 and in 2011 again 7-9 (this with Lynch and LOB). However in Russell’s rookie season they finished 11-5 and went to the divisional round of the playoffs. It wasn’t only Russell who is reason for the improvement but he was one of the reasons among many including PC/JS, LOB, Lynch, Miller, ADB, etc.

In that case they were 7-9 before Bobby Wagner and Bruce Irvin came. If you say Russell threw the winning touchdown, he also threw 4 ints to put us in that situation and he threw the int to lose us the superbowl. If you give him credit for the positive then give him blame for the negative that he was apart of since these are facts as well.

 

[hawkfan68]

In that case they were 7-9 before Bobby Wagner and Bruce Irvin came. If you say Russell threw the winning touchdown, he also threw 4 ints to put us in that situation and he threw the int to lose us the superbowl. If you give him credit for the positive then give him blame for the negative that he was apart of since these are facts as well.

I always have said he wasn’t perfect. He made tons of mistakes. There are many parts of his game that he could improve on which he didn’t do. What good does putting blame on him now do when he’s not a Seahawk anymore? I choose look at the bright side of what he did to contribute to the success of the team. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any faults. He does. I just don’t dwell on it and hold a grudge over it. Furthermore it doesn’t mean that Wagner or Irvin are less important. I have explained to you previously that giving one player credit doesn’t diminish other players’ contributions.

 

[Ostatehawk]

I really don't think anyone is seething. We're just having a good laugh at the train wreck of me3. His legacy as a player may be ruined but he's still worth 100s of millions so don't feel too bad for him

It has actually transitioned - at least for me - into a sick fascination over the absolute and continuing collapse of the Broncos as a franchise. They are miles away from being a competitive organization. They are saddled with overpaid underperforming players - their cap situation is a disaster - their GM is just putrid - and I'm not sold on their coach (bounty gate guy) or their ownership (Great Value) either - too many poor moves made by both. I can't look away.

 

[rcaido]

2011 20.1 (23rd) ===== 19.7 (7th)
2012 25.8 (9th) ===== 16.1 (1st)
2013 25.7 (8th) ===== 14.6 (1st)
2014 25.3 (9th) ===== 16.3 (1st)


Playoffs
26pts + .2pts ===== 22pts - 5.9pts
29.6pts + 4.1pts ===== 13.3 pts +1.3pts
30 pts + 4.6 pts ===== 22.3 pts -5.6pts

Seahawks were 7-9 before Wilson came. They were ranked 23rd in offense and was 7th in Defense. Then Wilson came and suddenly they 11-5 and have a top 10 offense ever since.

People also tend to forget that Wilson was one of the better QBs in the playoffs overall. He had a passer rating of 100.2 in the playoffs in his first 4 season which was the highest all time ahead of Rodgers 99.3. Seahawks scored more points in the playoffs then the regular season. Unlike the defense, opponent score went up dramatically in 2012 & 2014, the years we lost.

 

[strohmin]

I always have said he wasn’t perfect. He made tons of mistakes. There are many parts of his game that he could improve on which he didn’t do. What good does putting blame on him now do when he’s not a Seahawk anymore? I choose look at the bright side of what he to contribute to the success of the team. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any faults. He does. I just don’t dwell on it and hold a grudge over it.

Jusf because you choose to look at the positive doesnt mean everyone else has to. Maybe some people feel we could have more than one superbowl and are still angry. What good does it do attacking people that feel differently? Its not like Russell himself cares. Hes got money and is happily married to a celeb.

 

[hawkfan68]

Jusf because you choose to look at the positive doesnt mean everyone else has to. Maybe some people feel we could have more than one superbowl and are still angry. What good does it do attacking people that feel differently? Its not like Russell himself cares. Hes got money and is happily married to a celeb.

Again....I never said you did. You are entitled to your opinion. However leaving out important details of the game is disingenuous. While he had a bad game in the first half, he was an important part of why they came back and won the game. All I did was point out that he threw the winning td passes that put them into the Super Bowls.

Once I explained my stance. You brought up that giving credit to Russ meant diminishing the defense (Wagner and Irvin) and when I refuted that, you go on to find another thing to convince that Russ is to blame. Sounds like you’re the one not willing to accept a middle ground here. Which is fine. It’s your opinion. But don’t claim I was attacking you for your opinion because I’m not. I was attacking your post because you are only sharing one side of the story.

 

[morgulon1]

I just had a delicious cheeseburger.
What's everyone up to ?

 

[strohmin]

Again....I never said you did. You are entitled to your opinion. However leaving out important details of the game is disingenuous. While he had a bad game in the first half, he was an important part of why they came back and won the game. All I did was point out that he threw the winning td passes that put them into the Super Bowls.

Once I explained my stance. You brought up that giving credit to Russ meant diminishing the defense (Wagner and Irvin) and when I refuted that, you go on to find another thing to convince that Russ is to blame. Sounds like you’re the one not willing to accept a middle ground here. Which is fine. It’s your opinion. But don’t claim I was attacking you for your opinion because I’m not. I was attacking your post because you are only sharing one side of the story.

I was responding to a poster that said Russell was a massive reason that we won a superbowl and went to another superbowl and that is incorrect. It was a fact that he put us in a hole by throwing 4 ints before throwing the game winning touchdown and threw the pick that lost us a superbowl after throwing a pass in which Jermaine Kearse made an amazing catch on. Look at that pass to Kearse, it was just a lob with a clean pocket and well covered. Kearse made a freakingly amazing catch. Kearse deserves more credit than Russell on that. You attacking my post is still incorrect. You are doing the same thing that you accuse me of by just posting some facts to elevate Russell and give him more credit than he deserves.

 

[hawkfan68]

I was responding to a poster that said Russell was a massive reason that we won a superbowl and went to another superbowl and that is incorrect. It was a fact that he put us in a hole by throwing 4 ints before throwing the game winning touchdown and threw the pick that lost us a superbowl after throwing a pass in which Jermaine Kearse made an amazing catch on. Look at that pass to Kearse, it was just a lob with a clean pocket and well covered. Kearse made a freakingly amazing catch. Kearse deserves more credit than Russell on that. You attacking my post is still incorrect. You are doing the same thing that you accuse me of by just posting some facts to elevate Russell and give him more credit than he deserves.

Fair enough. However the video you referenced is not the pass I was talking about...it was this one and it was perfectly placed to where Jermaine easily could catch on the run. This was the game winning play.

 

[strohmin]

Fair enough. However the video you referenced is not the pass I was talking about...it was this one and it was perfectly placed to where Jermaine easily could catch on the run. This was the game winning play.

yeah I agree 100% on that pass. It was perfectly placed and so was the one to Sidney Rice against the Patriots in the regular season. Russell had some amazing plays but I still cant say he was a massive reason for winning a superbowl and getting back to another. He made some key plays when they needed to be made but also put us in holes as well where the offense looked bad at times.

 

[balakoth]

It is a stupid argument in your opinion but it is a fact the Seahawks were 7-9 before Russell Wilson became the QB (under Pete Carroll). Whether you think it’s stupid doesn’t change the facts. In 2010 they finished 7-9 and in 2011 again 7-9 (this with Lynch and LOB). However in Russell’s rookie season they finished 11-5 and went to the divisional round of the playoffs. It wasn’t only Russell who is reason for the improvement but he was one of the reasons among many including PC/JS, LOB, Lynch, Miller, ADB, etc.

Uh........ ok.... rofl

 

[chris98251]

We had signed the next QB in Flynn, Wilson beat him out, but then we never know if we would have had that same run looking backward since Wilson refused to run the offense as intended and only wanted to play hero ball. Flynn may have been a one year stop Gap also, but with the LOB and Lynch and who knows at QB we may have been better. Geno proves this out. The team was not the issue, the issue was Wilson and his Relationship with Hollywood and his Wife's lifestyle he was trying to fit into. Which does badly BTW, wanna be bad ass but really looks like Carlton in costume.

 

[Palmegranite]

Yeah, I remember being pissed when Flynn went to those two SBs back to back after leaving Seattle. We'll never know if he could have won three with the Seahawks.

 

[chris98251]

Yeah, I remember being pissed when Flynn went to those two SBs back to back after leaving Seattle. We'll never know if he could have won three with the Seahawks.

With the team that was built it is quite possible, nobody will ever know, but Geno proves this offense is better with a complete QB not a ego centric one dimensional can't see the middle of the field hero ball QB.

Apologize for not being completely descriptive but that may include sensitive language.

 

[Palmegranite]

Geno may prove something.. .we'll see, right?

 

[chrispy]

No one wants him back.... That kind of sums up the story.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

It has actually transitioned - at least for me - into a sick fascination over the absolute and continuing collapse of the Broncos as a franchise. They are miles away from being a competitive organization. They are saddled with overpaid underperforming players - their cap situation is a disaster - their GM is just putrid - and I'm not sold on their coach (bounty gate guy) or their ownership (Great Value) either - too many poor moves made by both. I can't look away.

This. I'm never bored with Denver being shitty Peyton and Wilson are just an unexpected bonus like either could hold Mahomes and Ried's dick in any normal circumstances.

I'm certain Pete and Geno can destroy both let alone if Pete had a quarterback say like Rattler worth paying 30-40 million when it's time.

 

[Maulbert]

Yup... Russ playing like an all-pro.

 

[toffee]

Ummm, just lost the battle of the Wilsons.