If Richardson were available at 5, would the Hawks have selected him?

[CactusJack]

What is it you think this confirms?

The two targets we're indeed Spoon & Will Anderson. They had a trade back contingency plan if neither player was available to them. According to John himself.

Maybe, you don't take John at his word?

 

[BASF]

The two targets we're indeed Spoon & Will Anderson. They had a trade back contingency plan if neither player was available to them. According to John himself.

Oh c'mon. Carroll and Schneider didn't say this. It was just Brady Henderson. How could someone who has contacts in the front office possibly know that for sure? It has to be Carroll or Schneider for some of these people to believe.

 

[Jac]

The two targets we're indeed Spoon & Will Anderson. They had a trade back contingency plan if neither player was available to them. According to John himself.

And what if that trade back didn't materialize? What did their actual draft board look like and where did Richardson sit? Aside, it's remarkable how every GM gets exactly who they were targeting in the first round (100% rate on "This is the guy we were targeting all along!")

 

[CactusJack]

Oh c'mon. Carroll and Schneider didn't say this. It was just Brady Henderson. How could someone who has contacts in the front office possibly know that for sure? It has to be Carroll or Schneider for some of these people to believe.

 

[JPatera76]

No. Can we let this Richardson stuff go now lol? He’s not even on the Seahawks.
I’m surprised people who kicked and stomped for Willis last yr aren’t still trying now since the rumors of him possibly being traded or released.

 

[BASF]

I literally called the Richardson people on this site a cult like Tebow's cult, just without the winning. I doubt it goes away any time soon.

 

[Jac]

No. Can we let this Richardson stuff go now lol? He’s not even on the Seahawks.
I’m surprised people who kicked and stomped for Willis last yr aren’t still trying now since the rumors of him possibly being traded or released.

I would be genuinely surprised if you could find any poster on this board that kicked & screamed for Willis. That was a mock draft creation (Russell Wilson runs, and so does Malik Willis) that had no basis in anything real.

 

[Jac]

I literally called the Richardson people on this site a cult like Tebow's cult, just without the winning. I doubt it goes away any time soon.

And the 'No Richardson' people are misguided into thinking they have any real intel on the situation. But perhaps one of these posters does have that intel and will soon be sharing where Richardson was on their draft board.

 

[IndyHawk]

If they wanted AR they easily could have gave up the picks to do so.
They were going to trade 5 off if Anderson and Spoon were gone so
thats enough for me.
I'll be watching enough of AR since this is the Colts state..I will be
posting what I see and hear in the NFL forum.
I want to see if I'm correct that he's nothing special and average at
best.

 

[chris98251]

I think Anderson and Spoon were the targets at 5, however our second pick may have been where we would have grabbed him if he fell. He played QB but was more athlete, I think John and Pete were betting on that aspect, other teams hit the panic button to jump over each other and Irsay is always a wild card. 20 was not an outlandish place for someone who had a lot of questions to do with playing a position and was a project out of the gate.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

I’m leaning towards, “No.”

I personally believe Carroll and Schneider believes Seattle is NOT far from winning a Super Bowl.

Let’s look at the division to rationalize why Carroll and Schneider thinks the division can be won sooner than later.

Arizona: Terrible. New coach. Terrible FO, used to making bad organizational decisions. Arguably, one of the worst NFL organizations.

Rams: Downward slope. Aging QB. One piece on defense. One premier WR. Few draft picks.

San Francisco: Questions at QB. Aging team. Defense still capable but remaining an elite defense every year is unsustainable.

If Seattle goes directly for building a contender now, you DO NOT pick a QB top 5, especially when you have a capable QB that can win games with adequate pieces around him.

If Jody Allen is going to sell the team in a few years, you want to try and win another Super Bowl to drive the price of the team even more.

If Carroll is to retire in a few years and Schneider may leave, why wouldn’t you put all your chips on the table and go for a WIN NOW mentality.

Anthony Richardson, isn’t going to win the team a Super Bowl this year. But Geno can with the appropriate pieces around him.

For the most part, the team (also players) believes they have the talent, they just need to add more talent and it’s very possible considering the division minus San Fran isn’t very good.

Why wouldn’t you not go for it all?

If you pick up Richardson, you significantly delay the process and you don’t play him immediately anyways.

Put all the chips on the table, secure additional talent and give yourself a chance to WIN NOW!

Easy decision.

Pass on Richardson at 5, cause Carroll, Schneider and Jody Allen, wants to win NOW!

 

[Jac]

If they wanted AR they easily could have gave up the picks to do so.
They were going to trade 5 off if Anderson and Spoon were gone so
thats enough for me.
I'll be watching enough of AR since this is the Colts state..I will be
posting what I see and hear in the NFL forum.
I want to see if I'm correct that he's nothing special and average at
best.

I guess they didn't want Anderson either since they didn't give up picks to get him.

 

[James in PA]

The real question we should all be asking: Why is the Rich Eisen show using a picture of John Schneider from 20 years ago?

 

[m0ng0]

Can we do a sticky at the bottom of the page instead of the top so the Richardson fans can all go mourn without a new thread every 4 days?

Is it people wanna be right so bad? Does this still eat you up inside weeks later that we still gotta talk about this?

 

[CalgaryFan05]

I say yes but curious what others think.

I dunno why the fascination with the QBs in the draft -

yayaya, i get it, QB=most important position -

I like how we've ended up. An Heir and a spare I still don't get why, without even giving him a shot - unless he's REALLY THAT BAD - why Lock isn't being depended on more/groomed here. I mean - we've really never even seen him play. AND, if he's that bad, why is he still on the roster for 4MM a year????

And we got the UDFA guy - whatever his name is.

I didn't get the QB stuff - and I still don't from this draft - and I'm so f'ing happy where we are just right now. That god we didn't burn that pick just to create a QB controversy for the season. Geno for prez.

We can officially, oh, I don't know - concentrate on football now!

 

[Seahawker]

Richardson will win a Super Bowl just like M. Vick & C. Newton did.
Geno will win a Super Bowl just like RW3 did, with a great defense, strong running game & solid QB play.
I don't think 23' will be anything like the 1983 QB draft, more like the usual mediocre play & busts of the last several years 1st round QB draft picks. A 5'10" QB, an ultra athletic inexperienced passer and one who scored 18% out of 100 on his S2 test.
Pete & John optimized our draft.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Richardson will win a Super Bowl just like M. Vick & C. Newton did.
Geno will win a Super Bowl just like RW3 did, with a great defense, strong running game & solid QB play.
I don't think 23' will be anything like the 1983 QB draft, more like the usual mediocre play & busts of the last several years 1st round QB draft picks. A 5'10" QB, an ultra athletic inexperienced passer and one who scored 18% out of 100 on his S2 test.
Pete & John optimized our draft.

The funny thing: everything I've read says that PC and JS WANTED HIM.

I'm just glad we succeeded DESPITE that.

 

[Seahawker]

The funny thing: everything I've read says that PC and JS WANTED HIM.

I'm just glad we succeeded DESPITE that.

They wanted people to think they wanted him to inflate his value in hopes of securing a big (larger) trade down package.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

They wanted people to think they wanted him to inflate his value in hopes of securing a big (larger) trade down package.

Well I'm HOPING that's the case.

But honestly - the 5 continent private jet smokescreen trip - that was for something. I think that was a bit much for just a sales job - but hey - I could be wrong.

I'm just glad we survived.

 

[m0ng0]

Well I'm HOPING that's the case.

But honestly - the 5 continent private jet smokescreen trip - that was for something. I think that was a bit much for just a sales job - but hey - I could be wrong.

I'm just glad we survived.

They travelled to observe and interview quite a few players unless I am misremembering?