Jalen Carter

[Rat]

I'm about ready to take Carter off my board entirely. I was already on the fence because he has a reputation of being a bit of an underachiever with an inconsistent motor; it feels like he's just coasting off his physical gifts and his hype. With this being our first top 5 pick in 14 years, Carter is more risk than I'm willing to take.

The problem is the potential nightmare scenario where the first four picks go Stroud, Young, Anderson, Richardson. It feels like anyone we take there will be a reach. I'd probably just pull the trigger on Levis. Otherwise, I think Jaxson Smith-Njigba would be an absolute star in our offense. I don't feel all that strongly about Wilson or Murphy.

 

[BASF]

You know an angle no one has brought up except SantaClara is maybe the kid is depressed after the accident. If he was really close with the two were killed and he feels partially responsible, he may not have his head on straight for any of this. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.

As far as the weight problems, the kid needs a real nutritionist and someone who knows what a weight cut done properly is. It definitely looks like he tried to cut weight incorrectly for the combine and his performances suffered for it leading up to the combine, so his agent probably advised him not to do anything to lower his draft stock. So, they decided to try to put the weight back on for the pro day, but again went about it the wrong way. Bad weight cuts can screw you up for weeks. Hopefully he gets an MMA trainer who knows what the hell they are doing to get him back on track. Those who have never cut weight have zero idea what it does to a body.

 

[JPatera76]

I mean I would believe depression (and thats still very much a possibility) however…. It then leaves the question of what’s the reasoning or excuses for poor conditioning and giving up on plays stuff reported by even his own coach and teammates?

 

[BASF]

I'm about ready to take Carter off my board entirely. I was already on the fence because he has reputation of being a bit of an underachiever with an inconsistent motor; it feels like he's just coasting of his physical gifts and his hype. With this being our first top 5 pick in 14 years, Carter is more risk than I'm willing to take.

The problem is the potential nightmare scenario where the first four picks go Stroud, Young, Anderson, Richardson. It feels like anyone we take there will be a reach. I'd probably just pull the trigger on Levis. Otherwise, I think Jaxson Smith-Njigba would be an absolute star in our offense. I don't feel all that strongly about Wilson or Murphy.

Nightmare scenario? Hello trading down to get a first round pick next season.

 

[GemCity]

Anderson or best QB available. I was on the fence but, not anymore. Maybe find a way to get Wilson as well.

I’d rather take a chance on a guy who’s guaranteed to not play his first year or two (Richardson) than risk it on Carter at this point.

 

[jammerhawk]

This is NOT looking like a good situation for Carter.

The issues with his his character are now emphasized, and front and centre with his decision not to work out, as well as with his weight gain. I'd be concerned as a GM about drafting him with the 5th OA pick. You'd think he would have at the least tried to at least workout. Worse still he was winded and couldn't complete the positional field drills.

At this point this is beginning to look like an ugly situation.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

What about this guy?

 

[Rat]

Anderson or best QB available. I was on the fence but, not anymore. Maybe find a way to get Wilson as well.

I’d rather take a chance on a guy who’s guaranteed to not play his first year or two (Richardson) than risk it on Carter at this point.

You like JSN for us? Dude would be a nightmare in the slot for now, and I don't feel like Lockett has many years left with us anyway. I've seen him mocked as high as 8th, so it might not be a ridiculous reach.

 

[Rat]

Nightmare scenario? Hello trading down to get a first round pick next season.

I don't think anyone is going to want to trade up into that slot unless they're in love with Levis. The Raiders aren't far enough back where getting their first next year is realistic. Maybe Atlanta.

 

[GemCity]

You like JSN for us? Dude would be a nightmare in the slot for now, and I don't feel like Lockett has many years left with us anyway. I've seen him mocked as high as 8th, so it might not be a ridiculous reach.

I stand corrected. You’re right. I would absolutely take JSN.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, I'm def. on the don't draft him train now. Just one thing after another piling up. This team doesn't need that headache/drama.

 

[renofox]

Carter is now out of top-10 and, if GMs are smart he's out of the 1st round.

Can we finally put this debate to rest?

As many have long been saying - Carter is a probable bust who belongs nowhere near the Seahawks.

 

[James in PA]

Not sure why you dislike Wilson? He might not be as good as Anderson. But he's going to be a really good pro.

Slow get-off. 5th overall just seems too high for him, IMO.

 

[toffee]

We don't know if he's a victim of circumstances or his character indirectly reason for the circumstances. What I have read, he has off field issues like continuous vehicle issues, from speeding to limousine tinted windows; on field issues like stamina and conditioning. I am taking it at face value, Carter may not be the most motivated and focused guy that cruise by his college career with his gift and a really strong team that contributed to his success.

One thing for sure, he wasn't focusing or dedicated on his future NFL career in the past two years. If he had, he won't be racing on public road, he was taking an injury risk, what if he would to break a leg in a traffic accident?

 

[Rat]

Doug Farrar's newest mock on USA Today has Anderson falling into our laps at 5 after the Cards take Quentin Johnston at 3... only for us to take Wilson instead. Anderson falls to Atlanta at 8 and Levis falls to Tampa at 19.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm going to assume that many fanbases are having these conversations, at least the ones in the top half of the 1st round.

 

[bigskydoc]

Now that my interest has been piqued, I looked a bit more into this dude. His problem isn't depression. It's self-sabotage. He's a perfect example of a guy who's subconcious is doing everything it can to keep him from succeeding. It's a maladaptive response to childhood trauma/ issues.

For his sake, I hope he finds the right person to help him come to see that it's OK to be succeaful. Pete would be an amazing mentor to the guy. For his sake, I would love to see him spend 4 to 8 years with Pete.

There is just no way you can waste a 5 pick on a guy who's actively in self-sabotage mode. Sucks he couldn't get this issue dealt with before now, but that's not our problem.

Take him in the 3rd? Sure. Not in the first 2 rounds.

 

[Lennie]

I don't think anyone is going to want to trade up into that slot unless they're in love with Levis. The Raiders aren't far enough back where getting their first next year is realistic. Maybe Atlanta.

What if Carter drops to 5, and some team is enamored with him? Trade the pick?

 

[RiverDog]

Frank Clark was cleared. The female prosecutor said there wasn't any evidence of wrong doing and declined to prosecute.

He did not get kicked off the Michigan team for hitting his gf. He got suspended for getting charged.

It's possible his gf made a false accusation to use as leverage, or to get back at him for seeing someone else. Who knows.

After that high school linebacker did time for a rape he didn't commit, I try to keep an open mind.

He was getting offers from colleges, and that all went down the toilet.

After the girl recanted, he was released, and Pete gave him a chance with the Seahawks.

Malik was a bad pick.

Jalen has maturity problems per Todd McShay.
Rob Station said that in an interview, Carter said he had a problem with his stamina, and planned to build it up over last summer, but as usual, he would get gassed in game.

This is a guy that does as little as possible, and tries to get by on his natural talent.

Georgia's locker room is full of Alphas, and if they couldn't get him to apply himself, he's not going to in the NFL. That is until his contract year.

They actually had quite a bit of evidence on Clark, including a statement from his GF that said Clark punched her in the face and the GF's brother, who was also in the room, that said Clark picked her up by the neck and slammed her to the floor. They also had photos of the girlfriend's swollen face and testimony from the responding officers.

The problem for the prosecutor was that the girlfriend refused to go to the hospital for treatment and have her injuries documented and refused to press charges. Without a cooperative witness or medical documentation on the nature of the injuries, the prosecutor decided to drop the charges. Clark was never 'cleared.'

It was the 2nd time in Clark's stay at Michigan that he had a run in with the law as he plead guilty to second-degree home invasion felony charge after stealing a laptop from a Michigan dormitory.

So yeah, lots of red flags there, and the Hawks were severely criticized for drafting him, especially since it followed by only a few months the highly publicized Ray Rice incident.

U-M boots DE after domestic violence arrest

Michigan dismissed senior Frank Clark from its football team Monday after police arrested the starting defensive end on domestic violence charges in Ohio this weekend.

www.espn.com

 

[rjdriver]

Anderson or best QB available. I was on the fence but, not anymore. Maybe find a way to get Wilson as well.

I’d rather take a chance on a guy who’s guaranteed to not play his first year or two (Richardson) than risk it on Carter at this point.

I'm not fan of best QB available. Too nuanced a position and too much of commitment. I think there has to be deep connection between the GM and a top QB pick. If JS has a guy he is enamored with and would have taken at pick 1 or 2 that is available at 5, get it. However if "his guy" is gone, don't settle when you aren't completely sold on him.

I understand and certainly validate the concerns with Carter, but even a "lazy" carter is a better DT than..say.. Zach Wilson is a QB. It just seems that when positional players don't live up to draft expectations, they at least have contributory roles. However, when a QB busts, there tends to be zero upside. In other words, be damn sure it's really who you want.

I have a feeling JS has one or maybe two guys (QB's) he will select with 5. If they are gone, I think we go defense or trade back.