REPORT: Baker Deal Nearly Done

[keasley45]

I guess 18 months make a HUGE difference. Since Mayfield is only 18 months older than Lock. Mayfields cookie is baked. He can’t improve - team or system be damned. But Lock? New team new teammates new system. He’s just wet clay to be formed in the hands of the master coach. 18 months Between infinite potential and dyed in the wool failure.

I wasnt talking about age in terms of calendar days on earth, but age in a franchise with some level of consistency, surrounded by a pretty decent suite of weapons. Yeah, Baker has had that for a solid two years + with little reason to fail other than his own ability.

Lock wasn't even wanted by his coach, wasn't handed the keys to the franchise like a top pick, nor groomed to be as successful as he could be, like Baker. He didn't have a top 3 backfield like Baker, nor a top receiving threat. He was brought into a system he understood and showed well his rookie year, and was then treated like a backup in a franchise ehos leadership has been entirely replaced since he's been there. That's the quality of the system Lock had - the entire leadership structure was tossed out with the garbage and a new one brought in.

Yes, Lock is less along in his development and assessing where he might go than Baker is by quite a bit.

 

[MesquiteHawk]

Mesquite
The Browns cap would be responsible for the money Cleveland eats. If the Hawks agreed to trade for Mayfield and the Browns agreed to absorb (eat) 3/4 of Mayfield’s $18.858 mil guaranteed money the Hawks cap would only be responsible for 1/4 of that amount.

In Mayfield’s case the Browns exercised his 5th year option thus guaranteeing his contract, they are thus on the hook for all that money unless they can trade it away or part of it away with the player. Either way Mayfield will get his money.

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Why on earth would you waste money, time, and potentially, draft capital to bring in a guy who isn't going to be the answer anymore than the guys you already have.

Ask Pete Carroll. He's been doing it for years.

 

[chrispy]

Baker shouldn't play in Cleveland and doesn't have to. He'll be a scapegoat for every problem (so he won't be able to increase his value) and he'll risk injury. Browns don't want him to play either. Whether he plays well or poorly, the FO looks stupid. Best solution is trade to get cap off the books. (46 million guaranteed to Watson and 19 million guaranteed on 5th year extension to Mayfield = 65 million).

All the press and gossip has to be leaks to try and get movement before Watson suspension is finalized. It all kicked off with Josina Anderson who's well connected to Cleveland. Remember when she reported Myles Garrett grabbed Mason Rudolph's crotch? ...not Seattle or Carolina.

Watson hearing started today. Browns position deteriorates by the day. Camp for most teams don't start for a month. There's only urgency for Cleveland. No one else. Remember when Schneider waited until Oct for Duane Brown?

 

[fullquartpress]

Lock is a backup, so getting Mayfield doesn't mean you're getting rid of Lock as your backup to continue to learn and compete for the starting job.

Dude can't even beat out Geno Smith for 1st team snaps in mini-camp, not sure why you guys are so high on Lock.

He's got some good measurables, but has abysmal decision making skills......and if he improves? Great, then there's your QB. But in the meantime I'd like to not go 4-13. Getting Mayfield means you're automatically a better team. How much better? Who knows, but you're better.

Geno has Seahawk/Waldron experience, and Lock was described as still learning, and it was only fake football minicamp.
For me, it's those measurables, and his attitude. For example, teasing(maybe provoking) Joey Bosa, pre snap), and 'having fun' in games(and even at practice).
I remember Sam Bradford got into trouble for saying it was fun just to be out there playing again(both knee ACL surgeries) after an opening game loss.
Maybe it is just best to conform to the No Fun Leage mentality.

why ... so high on Lock.

His most recent games in LA and vs KC, almost ending KC's 13 game winning streak, except for the fumble play.
Meanwhile, Baker seemed too injured to help his team....as at Lambeau(4 INTS...3 in the first half)

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Really though by how many wins? He's gonna want a long term deal. I dont view him at as even a moderate length term solution.

Some players get humbled by their experience and work with short term deals in order to get the bigger one later. A 1st overall might be a heavy sell on it but we've taken a lot of vets over the years on 1 year show me deals that have worked out. So I don't think it's out of the question that if he plays decently he won't do a team friendly deal for a year or two in order to grow his brand. He's got plenty of money and in 2-3 years he'll still be in prime age for a QB. maybe it's a long shot to happen but the last few months have got to be very humbling for him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Damn, a lot of $ for some Brisket

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Geno has Seahawk/Waldron experience, and Lock was described as still learning, and it was only fake football minicamp.
For me, it's those measurables, and his attitude. For example, teasing(maybe provoking) Joey Bosa, pre snap), and 'having fun' in games(and even at practice).
I remember Sam Bradford got into trouble for saying it was fun just to be out there playing again(both knee ACL surgeries) after an opening game loss.
Maybe it is just best to conform to the No Fun Leage mentality.

His most recent games in LA and vs KC, almost ending KC's 13 game winning streak, except for the fumble play.
Meanwhile, Baker was looking like a broken little man...chips on broken shoulders.

If this is your opinion, then again why would you be against bringing in Mayfield to have even more viable QB's to compete for the starting job.

But let's revisit this in August when Lock's still mopping up pre-season games and getting 2nd team reps.

Mayfield was a top 10-15 QB before he got hurt last year, and is the only one of these three that has won a playoff game. Dude has talent, that's undeniable. So I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't want him here.

IF it's for a high pick and his full salary? Then yeah, that's a hard pass from me too. But that's not what's happening.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

If the agent doesn't talk Mayfield into playing for the Browns as an f you to them by playing excellent football and earning a big pay day, then the agent isn't doing his job. The only way Mayfield maximizes his earnings with the next contract is to play very well in his lame duck season. It puts to bed all of the immaturity talk and shows that he is worth franchise QB money.

I think it's the opposite.

When Watson gets suspended, and he WILL get suspended Mayfield holds all the leverage. Why on earth would he want to go back to the Browns with his tail between his legs when he can force a trade or release so he can go to a team that actually wants and appreciates him.

Either way he's playing in 2022 for his next contract. Why on earth would he do it in Cleveland? No way that's happening.

 

[onanygivensunday]

If they eat his salary, does it mean that they pay it and it applies to their cap, or do they pay and it applies to our cap? I don’t care which billionaire pays him. I care who it counts against.

If they eat his salary, does it mean that they pay it and it applies to their cap, or do they pay and it applies to our cap? I don’t care which billionaire pays him. I care who it counts against.

I wondered that myself so I emailed Jason at overthecap.com and his answer was...

CLE and SEA would split both the cap hit and the salary evenly, assuming that is the agreement of the trade.

 

[keasley45]

Ask Pete Carroll. He's been doing it for years.

Crucify the guy who brought us the most successful era of Hawks ball since 76, and one of the most successful in the NFL in recent history, because he didn't get every move right. Jesus.

 

[John63]

This is not going to end well for us. By us, I mean the hawks. But what's new.

 

[keasley45]

THis is not going to end well for us. But what's new.

You talking about the Broncos, John? I agree.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

THis is not going to end well for us. But what's new.

Our two QB's are Drew Lock and Geno Smith, it's already not going well.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Rosco]

But let's revisit this in August when Lock's still mopping up pre-season games and getting 2nd team reps.

Mayfield was a top 10-15 QB before he got hurt last year, and is the only one of these three that has won a playoff game. Dude has talent, that's undeniable. So I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't want him here.

IF it's for a high pick and his full salary? Then yeah, that's a hard pass from me too. But that's not what's happening.

its deniable.
Do the Seahawks have a top 3 oline? If the answer is no, then Baker sucks

 

[Sgt. Largent]

its deniable.
Do the Seahawks have a top 3 oline? If the answer is no, then Baker sucks

Stats and performance is deniable? Lol. I guess this conversation's over then.

Fact: Baker Mayfield when healthy balled out and led his talented team to the playoffs, and beat a division rival.

Fact: Geno Smith and Drew Lock have done absolutely nothing in the NFL to warrant even 1% of confidence in their ability to win games on a team that's still in a rebuild.

The End.

 

[fullquartpress]

If this is your opinion, then again why would you be against bringing in Mayfield to have even more viable QB's to compete for the starting job.

But let's revisit this in August when Lock's still mopping up pre-season games and getting 2nd team reps.

Mayfield was a top 10-15 QB before he got hurt last year, and is the only one of these three that has won a playoff game. Dude has talent, that's undeniable. So I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't want him here.

IF it's for a high pick and his full salary? Then yeah, that's a hard pass from me too. But that's not what's happening.

If this is your opinion, then again why would you be against bringing in Mayfield to have even more viable QB's to compete for the starting job.

But let's revisit this in August when Lock's still mopping up pre-season games and getting 2nd team reps.

Mayfield was a top 10-15 QB before he got hurt last year, and is the only one of these three that has won a playoff game. Dude has talent, that's undeniable. So I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't want him here.

IF it's for a high pick and his full salary? Then yeah, that's a hard pass from me too. But that's not what's happening.

You obviously know more about "what's happening" re: the fraction of $19 million.
If Baker's the same cost as Lock(less than 1 million) ...and no draft picks given to Cleveland,....OK....

 

[Rosco]

Stats and performance is deniable? Lol. I guess this conversation's over then.

Fact: Baker Mayfield when healthy balled out and led his talented team to the playoffs, and beat a division rival.

Fact: Geno Smith and Drew Lock have done absolutely nothing in the NFL to warrant even 1% of confidence in their ability to win games on a team that's still in a rebuild.

The End.

Fact: Baker was barely decent with a top 3 Oline in Cleveland. Baker is too slow,short and untalented to compensate for deficiencies in a offense.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ask Steeler fans if Baker can play.