Pete on Lock

[ivotuk]

Yeah this argument is really silly. Their grade of him coming out of college would have been higher than these QB's this year. Fantastic, only problem is Locke has had three more years to go out and prove he can be an NFL starter and he failed to do so. We have a lot more info now to work with.
I guarantee if you stuck him in this years draft teams would not be spending a third or even a fourth on him now (besides the Seahawks apparently). Shoot he was only a second rounder to begin with for a reason. He has the arm, height, and physical traits but he has not shown what it takes to be an actual good QB.
I mean Mayfield was picked first over all and shown a lot more ability than Locke and the Browns can't seem to get a decent pick for him. I doubt the Broncos would have been able to trade Locke for much more than 6th or 7th.
This kind of non sense being said by Pete is an insult to everyone's intelligence. Its simply not true. You can't just ignore 3 years of failure and act like it didn't happen or that it doesn't factor in.

1st, only an idiot would trade for Baker and eat his 19 million dollar salary.

2nd, coaching and organization matters. The Broncos are not a good organization, and Fangio is a terrible coach. How he keeps getting hired is beyond me. But his teams have always failed. The QB can't do it on his own.

But you stick with your argument, ignore the circumstances, and predict a miserable future for everyone.

Drew's first O.C. wasn't too bad, and Lock had success. But then Fangio blamed the Broncos struggles on him and fired him. Then hired some random O.C. off the street, that eventually got Fangio fired.

Put Tom Brady on the Lions and see how he would do...

I predict Russell is really going to regret his decision. Hell, who knows who will end up owning the Broncos, and whether or not they'll be invested in the team, out just collect the proceeds

 

[Natethegreat]

Your first point is obvious and no organization has chosen to do so nor have I advocated for the Seahawks to take on his contract. I was merely using Mayfield as an example of a QB who has had more success than Lock and what teams are willing to give and comparing that with Lock. I just find Pete's statement disingenuous.
I guess we will find out next year if its Lock or the coaching that was bad. I wish Lock all the success in the world.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Your first point is obvious and no organization has chosen to do so nor have I advocated for the Seahawks to take on his contract. I was merely using Mayfield as an example of a QB who has had more success than Locke and what teams are willing to give and comparing that with Locke. I just find Pete's statement disingenuous.
I guess we will find out next year if its Locke or the coaching that was bad. I wish Locke all the success in the world.

Who is this "Locke" person you keep referencing? Lock is a Seahawk QB. Locke is not. One is his name, one is not.

Educate yourself and be consistent. If you're misspelling it intentionally, you've got other problems.

 

[RiverDog]

This was vintage Pete Carroll blowing smoke up the arses of his players and fans. When you combine that he said that Lock would have been the first player taken "of quarterbacks anyway," which suggests he thinks Lock might have been a #1 overall, with the fact that Kenny Pickett was taken with the 20th selection in the first round, he's saying that Lock would have been at least a top half of the first round pick in this year's draft. Even if you ignore or rationalize Lock's performance as a Bronco, this is a huge pile of baloney to heap on a player.

Do any of you remember, like I do, Pete's post game interview after a late season, nearly meaningless win against a mediocre Eagles team in 2011 when he exclaimed that he was going to "build around Tavaris"? It's statements like these that causes me to take what Pete Carroll says about his players with a grain of salt. He's like a snake oil salesman pumping up his product, full of more chit than a Christmas goose.

 

[Natethegreat]

This was vintage Pete Carroll blowing smoke up the arses of his players and fans. When you combine that he said that Lock would have been the first player taken "of quarterbacks anyway," which suggests he thinks Lock might have been a #1 overall, with the fact that Kenny Pickett was taken with the 20th selection in the first round, he's saying that Lock would have been at least a top half of the first round pick in this year's draft. Even if you ignore or rationalize Lock's performance as a Bronco, this is a huge pile of baloney to heap on a player.

Do any of you remember, like I do, Pete's post game interview after a late season, nearly meaningless win against a mediocre Eagles team in 2011 when he exclaimed that he was going to "build around Tavaris"? It's statements like these that causes me to take what Pete Carroll says about his players with a grain of salt. He's like a snake oil salesman pumping up his product, full of more chit than a Christmas goose.

Lock wasn't even originally taken in the first round. His statement was just plain insulting to the fans. Its utter non sense, yet he is intent on trying to sell this trade and next season as more than what it really was and is going to be.

 

[RiverDog]

Lock wasn't even originally taken in the first round. His statement was just plain insulting to the fans. Its utter non sense, yet he is intent on trying to sell this trade and next season as more than what it really was and is going to be.

Actually, most Hawk fans won't be insulted at all and will lap it up like a thirsty cowboy. It's also part of Pete's style of building up the egos of his players. We just have to be smart enough to recognize it for what it is, separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[GemCity]

The organization isn’t going to say they are in a rebuild. The word “re-tooling” comes up…

I don’t agree with Pete’s statements but I understand why they’re being made.

Positivity is a good thing. But I don’t believe for one second that PC and/or JS think Lock is the team’s answer at QB. I also agree that taking one in this year’s draft would’ve been a mistake on their part. As for Pete’s justification? Meh…what’s he supposed to say here?

I’m thinking we’ll see everything materialize (or be blown to bits) in 2024 after getting next years crop of rookies a years worth of experience. I’m happy with this year’s picks for sure.

Until then, it may be wise to take everything with a “grain of salt”

 

[LickMyNuts]

It is so funny watching all of you go so overboard in the other direction when you are talking out of your a**. What he did in Denver with very little support is no indication of what he (might) do here with a second chance. Stop being a** hats. I know for a fact (which is not true) all of you would not do any better at anything with a second chance. Your absolutes are just so typical of your liberal I know more then any body else agenda and it is so Fuc**** tiresome.. Justs get over yourself!! Thank you for your time!!

You’ve got problems.

Denver likely has a better roster than the Seahawks do. Their receivers and running backs are at least on par with Seattle.

Don’t complain about people talking out of their ass and then talk out of yours. At least based on this post it looks like most of us do know more than you.

If and when you prove otherwise then we’ll act accordingly.

 

[CostaRicaHawk]

You’ve got problems.

Denver likely has a better roster than the Seahawks do. Their receivers and running backs are at least on par with Seattle.

Don’t complain about people talking out of their ass and then talk out of yours. At least based on this post it looks like most of us do know more than you.

If and when you prove otherwise then we’ll act accordingly.

No need to prove anything. I know as much as you do (nothing) ..past performance does not guarantee future results. Prove me wrong in this case, then come back with that evidence. Not just your opinion.

I am retired living in beautiful Costa Rica, what type of problems am I suppose to have?

Pura Vida sweetheart

 

[LeaveLynchAlone]

...I just find Pete's statement disingenuous.

That is clear enough and as such any point you make is perceived from a perspective of someone who does not believe Pete.

Oh, woe is me, the Seahawks will never find success ever, ever, ever again.

Pete is a great leader and certainly will have the team competing each and every moment. This will be a fun year - perhaps not for you and your crew, but it's not as hard as it seems to stop choosing to be a victim and embrace the limitless possibility.

 

[LeaveLynchAlone]

...which suggests he thinks Lock might have been a #1 overall, with the fact that Kenny Pickett was taken with the 20th selection in the first round, he's saying that Lock would have been at least a top half of the first round pick in this year's draft.

I think you may need to do a bit of revision on your basic math understanding. This is good example of how to use numbers to prove the opposite of your intended point.

Oh, woe is me, Pete is such a liar! He is trying to deceive the good and real fans aka RiverDog et. al. who can see through his evil plans.

 

[LeaveLynchAlone]

Lock wasn't even originally taken in the first round. His statement was just plain insulting to the fans. Its utter non sense, yet he is intent on trying to sell this trade and next season as more than what it really was and is going to be.

 

[LeaveLynchAlone]

Actually, most Hawk fans won't be insulted at all and will lap it up like a thirsty cowboy. It's also part of Pete's style of building up the egos of his players. We just have to be smart enough to recognize it for what it is, separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[Boycie]

The organization isn’t going to say they are in a rebuild. The word “re-tooling” comes up…

I don’t agree with Pete’s statements but I understand why they’re being made.

Positivity is a good thing. But I don’t believe for one second that PC and/or JS think Lock is the team’s answer at QB. I also agree that taking one in this year’s draft would’ve been a mistake on their part. As for Pete’s justification? Meh…what’s he supposed to say here?

I’m thinking we’ll see everything materialize (or be blown to bits) in 2024 after getting next years crop of rookies a years worth of experience. I’m happy with this year’s picks for sure.

Until then, it may be wise to take everything with a “grain of salt”

 

[Rat]

No need to prove anything. I know as much as you do (nothing) ..past performance does not guarantee future results.

No, but it's a better indicator of future performance than being tall and having a last name that rhymes with a part of the male anatomy. I hope Lock becomes an exception, but I'm struggling to recall precedence for a QB in a similar situation to suddenly put it all together with another team. The closest I can think of is Trent Dilfer going from disaster in Tampa to something resembling competent with Baltimore and Seattle. It is really telling how enormous the Broncos apparently saw the gap between Lock and Wilson. They thought Russ was worth mortgaging their future when they had Lock on a cheap rookie deal.

 

[balakoth]

Lock wasn't even originally taken in the first round. His statement was just plain insulting to the fans. Its utter non sense, yet he is intent on trying to sell this trade and next season as more than what it really was and is going to be.

Ok? He was taken in the second.. Your basis of your statement doesn't even make any damn sense.

Im guess you were one of those people who some how think Liberty College Malik Willis was a steal in the third

Kenny would have been there in the second as well.. But ya know the Steelers rofl

Some of the stuff you type is just plain insulting.

 

[LickMyNuts]

No need to prove anything. I know as much as you do (nothing) ..past performance does not guarantee future results. Prove me wrong in this case, then come back with that evidence. Not just your opinion.

I am retired living in beautiful Costa Rica, what type of problems am I suppose to have?

Pura Vida sweetheart

Your kind find grievance and problems everywhere. The location is just a backdrop for their anger. Might as well be a green screen.

I know that most NFL qb’s don’t suddenly see the light with a few exceptions. But it has happened.

What you didn’t offer is what Denver was lacking that Seattle has.

In a worst case scenario Lock looks just good enough to get the Seahawks to pass on a young QB in the next draft.

But I’m not sold on the guy at all. How many Denver games have you watched? I’ve only seen Locks few highlights on YouTube.

 

[Natethegreat]

Lot of vitriol and anger directed at me here. I never said we will never be good again. Wasn't my point at all either.
My point was about who and what Lock has shown himself to be and what Pete is hyping him up as.
It's silly and I find it insulting to me as a fan.
Don't try to sell me on a guy who wasn't an elite prospect to begin with and has three years of failure after being drafted and then claim he would be the top prospect this year.
It's non sense and he knows it.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Pete's right, Lock would have been rated the highest QB in this year's class.

But that's not really high praise when you consider that this is literally the worst QB class in like 25 years.

We get it, Pete's optimistic. Shocking!!

 

[HagFaithful]

Lot of vitriol and anger directed at me here. I never said we will never be good again. Wasn't my point at all either.
My point was about who and what Lock has shown himself to be and what Pete is hyping him up as.
It's silly and I find it insulting to me as a fan.
Don't try to sell me on a guy who wasn't an elite prospect to begin with and has three years of failure after being drafted and then claim he would be the top prospect this year.
It's non sense and he knows it.

I interpreted Pete to mean that he'd rather have Lock with NFL experience (yes, losing experience) more than the top QB prospects in this draft (with no NFL experience). Of the following QBs: Wentz, Ryan, Garrapolo, and Lock - I'd prefer to have Lock.