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  • pehawk wrote:Let me say the Kam signing proves I'm a know-nothing, DUMMY. I thought for sure he WOULDN'T be signed. That he was the replacable one of the LOB. And, well, once again, I've proven to be clueless.

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  • drdiags wrote:
    pehawk wrote:Let me say the Kam signing proves I'm a know-nothing, DUMMY. I thought for sure he WOULDN'T be signed. That he was the replacable one of the LOB. And, well, once again, I've proven to be clueless.

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  • Kam is the hardest hitter Seattle has in the legion. It makes sense to secure the identity Pete and John have worked so hard to build for this team.
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  • pehawk wrote:
    I'm telling ya, we should do a podcast; "Loon and Curmudgeon Say Wrong Isht about the Hawks".


    No kidding. I wrote that there was no way the Seahawks sign Winfield, that people were falling for a pipe dream if they thought Harvin was coming here.

    I cannot wait to spew even more 100% wrong opinions. Its what I do.

    So you can pretty much pencil in Rice and Miller for the team next year, as I call for their demise. Yeah, and Browner is out of here. Thurmond is going to start. Where do I sign up for the podcast?
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  • It is true that financial constraints will keep us from paying everybody we like as much as they want. That would still be the case without this extension; it is the fundamental purpose of the salary cap.

    However, remember that we still have two full drafts before the 2014 season begins and we will be adding a lot of new rookies. The draft is the key to sustained success and if we draft well there will be a lot of new (cheap) players that we really like to replace those who we will not be able to afford.

    It is easy to be less excited about our current draft because we do not have many short terms needs and we do not have a first round pick. Nevertheless, this draft class will be one of the key factors down the road that influence whether our FO built a team that could compete in a short window or whether they built a team that could compete every year.
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  • Lots of good stuff here. A few comments:

    - I think Goldson was pretty clearly overpaid. He can be a liability in coverage. Actually, Eric Weddle should have held out as soon as Goldson put ink to paper. That is how much I hate that contract. Of course, Tampa Bay had a really bad secondary last year, and Dominik had lots of cap space, so...

    - I think Clemons, Bryant, and Rice are pretty clearly gone after next year (maybe after this year for the first two), and Miller is probably gone as well. The guys who are getting paid are Wilson, Okung, Thomas, and Sherman. Add to that the 6M/yr+ contract of Harvin, and I think the cap is probably in good shape going forward. Well, from what I can tell. We don't have too many contracts valuing over 6-7M a year (and won't) past the next two years unless I forgot one or two contracts/potential contracts, as I well may have.

    - How good are Kam's coverage skills? I'm not really sure what the consensus is. I know that he was terrible in our playoff games, but what do we think of him in general?
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  • 2015 the tv deal kicks in and the cap goes way up.
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  • AgentDib wrote:Remember that we still have two full drafts before the 2014 season begins. It is true that financial constraints will keep us from paying everybody we like as much as they want, but we will be adding a lot of new players before then. The draft is the key to sustained success and if we draft well there will be a lot of new (cheap) players that we really like to replace those who we will not be able to afford.

    It is easy to be less excited about our current draft because we do not have many short terms needs and we do not have a first round pick. Nevertheless, this draft class will be one of the key factors down the road that influence whether our FO built a team that could compete in a short window or whether they built a team that could compete every year.


    Every time Agent posts he always seems to hit the nail right on the head. I wish you would post more. Over the next few years it is very likely we will see many fan favorites move on to other teams for more money. Many fans complain that the northwest doesnt get alot of media attention but the flip side success is that other franchises will try to vulture and overpay players that do well here (either because of their talent or because the surrounding talent makes them look better then they are).

    Edit: Also im not too worried about the cap, as over the next 3 years i see us droping Miller, Rice, Lynch, and maybe even bryant contract. im excited to see what new talent JC will bring onto the team over the next decade
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  • I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:It's alright, Ryan. We're all wrong on occasion, including me.

    /huggle

    (I think Throwdown might be a bit too gleeful there, though.)


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  • JS knows what he is doing. After all the other things that he has accomplished, I just tend not to concern myself with cap numbers and all that. No team can keep everyone with this level of talent, but I am certainly going to enjoy the product JS is putting on the field now.

    By the time some of the other contracts come due, it is likely there are some we will want to get rid of anyways.

    JS is sending a message and KamBam is the perfect guy to deliver that message.
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  • Smelly McUgly wrote:- How good are Kam's coverage skills? I'm not really sure what the consensus is. I know that he was terrible in our playoff games, but what do we think of him in general?


    Coverage is only one aspect of his game, and he was playing against the GREATEST TIGHT END OF ALL TIME in the playoffs. He's a beast against the run and the team's second best tackler by volume (behind the MLB). As someone mentioned earlier, he acts as an extra LB in our nickel package. He also had an excellent year in pass coverage in 2011. He played more snaps than anyone else on defense in 2012, which speaks to both his value and utility in both defense and special teams.

    As of now, it looks like he got about a $6 million/year deal. Strikes me as a very fair deal for all parties involved.
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  • Nice to see this this recognition for Chancellor. He sets the tone they count on. He was their #1 iron man with 1103 snaps. And he did it while playing thru the pain of two bad ankles. Leadership thru setting the example. Terrific signing. It's a great day for the Seahawks. :th2thumbs:

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  • FortWorthSeahawk wrote:Ahhh geeze Roland...for a second there I thought you said Huggy.


    YECH! No.
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  • After listening to the presser, it seems pretty clear that a lot of fans are just underestimating the desire within this FO to reward their own guys.

    Pete made is crystal clear that Kam has done everything right since they drafted him, and that they wanted to reward players like him. This is the example they want to set for their players. Is he replaceable? Maybe if you get lucky and find the right guy, but that's a message that this FO clearly did not want to send. They didn't want to unceremoniously replace a guy that worked his way up from being a 5th round pick to being a team leader and a star. I don't blame them one bit, and it shows that like Kam, this FO is doing things the right way.
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  • drdiags wrote:
    pehawk wrote:
    I'm telling ya, we should do a podcast; "Loon and Curmudgeon Say Wrong Isht about the Hawks".


    No kidding. I wrote that there was no way the Seahawks sign Winfield, that people were falling for a pipe dream if they thought Harvin was coming here.

    I cannot wait to spew even more 100% wrong opinions. Its what I do.


    I'm thinking that its time for you to declare that the Seahawks have no chance in hell at winning the Super Bowl this season.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:It's alright, Ryan. We're all wrong on occasion, including me.

    /huggle

    (I think Throwdown might be a bit too gleeful there, though.)


    Can never be too gleeful when one of your top 3 favorite player is a lock to stay for long time.
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  • Good for Kam making that paper, pretty reasonable deal. Can't wait to watch him tattoo fools this year!


    This FO knows exactly what they're doing, I think we'll be surprised when Thomas III resigns (might not be as big of a hit as some might think...dudes are cap magicians).
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  • Yup, I whiffed on this too.

    I figured Kam was replaceable since we have Winston Guy on the team. The FO was really high on him at the beginning of TC last year, and he played a lot of meaningful snaps in the playoffs.

    Glad to see we're taking care of our guys and not being too cutthroat. I'm kinda worried though about Sherman.....I don't think we'll be able to afford him.
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  • Missing_Clink wrote:After listening to the presser, it seems pretty clear that a lot of fans are just underestimating the desire within this FO to reward their own guys.

    Pete made is crystal clear that Kam has done everything right since they drafted him, and that they wanted to reward players like him. This is the example they want to set for their players. Is he replaceable? Maybe if you get lucky and find the right guy, but that's a message that this FO clearly did not want to send. They didn't want to unceremoniously replace a guy that worked his way up from being a 5th round pick to being a team leader and a star. I don't blame them one bit, and it shows that like Kam, this FO is doing things the right way.


    Totally, and its grand they roll this way. Bleeping great.

    Remember when Ruskell yanked the franchise tag from Leroy, the moment Curry was drafted? It felt slimey...and EVERYONE on this site thought it was kosher. Glad we're not there again.
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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    The team can negotiate with Thomas whenever they want but have to wait until next year to talk to Sherman. I think if Schneider's comments mean anything it's not that Sherm isn't a high priority, it's that they are already talking to Earl.
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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    Likely because Thomas comes due for an extension at least a year before Sherman does. He's next up.
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  • once this gets updated with kam's new info it should give a good idea of who will be here and who won't.

    I was thinking Miller m ight be on his way out over rice, but Miller's contract actually de-escalates unlike Rice' which is only going to get uglier.

    We're paying Miller a LOT this year with an 11m cap number but that goes down to 7 and 6 the next two years; still a large number for a TE.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/yearly/

    Just in Miller's cap number, and dead money for flynn and leon washington, that's 16m of our cap right there. So next season that's a savings of 9m.
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  • I know it's not the case but the reasonable extensions almost make it seem like JS just laid out a spreadsheet and said, "Kam, I think this is what we can try to do in order to keep you guys together. If you can work with us, maybe we can rack up some rings and you can cash in, in 5 years."
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  • Like others have already stated I love that the team rewarded Kam. I don't love that people are thinking his last season was him slacking, it was due to an injury he played through!

    I hope he recovers well and plays with even more intensity because how the FO treated him. Go Hawks!
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  • mikeak wrote:Miller - highest paid TE in the league this year?

    http://mobile.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/


    Key phrase "This year". His contract was structured so he made a large share of his money this year.

    His first year with the team he had a three million cap hit.

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    2011: 3 Million
    2012: 7 Million
    2013: 11 Million
    2014: 7 Million
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  • Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    mikeak wrote:Miller - highest paid TE in the league this year?

    http://mobile.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/


    Key phrase "This year". His contract was structured so he made a large share of his money this year.

    His first year with the team he had a three million cap hit.

    Zach Miller Cap Hits
    2011: 3 Million
    2012: 7 Million
    2013: 11 Million
    2014: 7 Million
    2015: 6 million



    to me this just indicates that just about everything pete and john set out to do is going as close to the 'plan' as you can imagine. Two years of rebuilding, take a step forward and find a QB, then go for it all. We are a little ahead of schedule, and got really lucky with the finding a QB thing at the 11th hour since whitehurst and tarvaris obviously weren't the answer.
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  • Well...I gotta love that we go all out to resign our own.
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  • Thunderhawk wrote:Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.


    If he has a Pro Bowl year for an elite team, he'd be offered close to Goldson money (i.e. more than he just signed for). Their strengths are very similar despite playing different safety positions. How do his skills not translate? The job of a strong safety is to lay hits in the middle of the field and provide support against the run. He's elite at both.

    As far as your other point about having ET to back him up, that's what free safeties are paid to do. He'd have a free safety backing him in a lot of other schemes, too. We happen to have the best, but I don't see how that takes away from what Kam does in the box or the hits/tackles he makes in the open field.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    Thunderhawk wrote:Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.


    If he has a Pro Bowl year for an elite team, he'd be offered close to Goldson money (i.e. more than he just signed for). Their strengths are very similar despite playing different safety positions. How do his skills not translate? The job of a strong safety is to lay hits in the middle of the field and provide support against the run. He's elite at both.

    As far as your other point about having ET to back him up, that's what free safeties are paid to do. He'd have a free safety backing him in a lot of other schemes, too. We happen to have the best, but I don't see how that takes away from what Kam does in the box or the hits/tackles he makes in the open field.


    Traditionally speaking you are correct about the roles of SS and FS. Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the modern NFL trend towards more interchangeable safeties?

    Kam is worth more to the Seahawks than other teams. Glad we locked him up. Everyone in due course.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
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    Thunderhawk wrote:Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.


    If he has a Pro Bowl year for an elite team, he'd be offered close to Goldson money (i.e. more than he just signed for). Their strengths are very similar despite playing different safety positions. How do his skills not translate? The job of a strong safety is to lay hits in the middle of the field and provide support against the run. He's elite at both.

    As far as your other point about having ET to back him up, that's what free safeties are paid to do. He'd have a free safety backing him in a lot of other schemes, too. We happen to have the best, but I don't see how that takes away from what Kam does in the box or the hits/tackles he makes in the open field.


    Traditionally speaking you are correct about the roles of SS and FS. Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the modern NFL trend towards more interchangeable safeties?

    Kam is worth more to the Seahawks than other teams. Glad we locked him up. Everyone in due course.


    The NFL of the past 20 years favors interchangeable safeties. The NFL of the next 20 years favors a large safety with range who can force the edge against running QB's and still cover MOST TE's in single coverage.
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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    I think you're correct in that you may be reading too much into that. Earl's contract is going to come due before Sherman's so Earl is more than likely the one Schneider has at the front of his mind for the time being. I doubt he's forgotten Sherman, but rather just looking to take care of the most urgent situation first.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    mikeak wrote:Miller - highest paid TE in the league this year?

    http://mobile.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/


    Key phrase "This year". His contract was structured so he made a large share of his money this year.

    His first year with the team he had a three million cap hit.

    Zach Miller Cap Hits
    2011: 3 Million
    2012: 7 Million
    2013: 11 Million
    2014: 7 Million
    2015: 6 million


    This is what makes me think TE is a target in the draft. At this point in time there are 5 on the roster :

    Darren Fells, Cooper Helfet, Anthony McCoy, Sean McGrath and Zach Miller.

    Adding one more in the draft and you've got stiff competition come camp time. If even one of those turns out to be even close to Miller talent wise I think they let Zach go. I could be wrong, but it would make sense with the amount left on his contract and the production we have seen from him so far. Of course he could also build an amazing chemistry with Wilson over camp and all of a sudden make himself indispensable.
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  • Shadowhawk wrote:
    CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    The team can negotiate with Thomas whenever they want but have to wait until next year to talk to Sherman. I think if Schneider's comments mean anything it's not that Sherm isn't a high priority, it's that they are already talking to Earl.


    I think many of our posters still don't realize no one can talk money to Sherman and Wilson until they have 3 years in. That's the new CBA. Sherman after this year and Wilson after next.

    And who knows how things can change between now and then?

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    SmokinHawk wrote:Vernon Davis will need some new shorts once he gets wind of Kamtrack's new contract.


    Not to mention he still hasn't located the cleets he was wearing...



    And is probably still hearing footsteps.

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  • One thing about this extension - there is a huge value in keeping a player on his current contract for another year with the big deal next. Many players start sitting out / demanding a new deal. This is the most cap friendly way to handle this situation especially now with rolling cap leftovers.

    Kudos to FO for handling these things without causing issues in the locker room. Go back and look at many other deals and you will see that other teams overspent then did these deals with players as new contracts to lower the cap hit. The issue is they paid extra for the remaining year so while this years cap got lowered overall cap / spend increased.

    Our FO is doing a much better job than many other teams here
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  • Count me in the mildly surprised group that we elected to extend him. He was a borderline guy who I thought could go either way, though the most likely of the borderline guys to be resigned, albeit.

    I thought we would wait until after the draft to see where it fell before we extended anyone else but I suppose safety is no longer a priority.
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  • TDOTSEAHAWK wrote:Count me in the mildly surprised group that we elected to extend him. He was a borderline guy who I thought could go either way, though the most likely of the borderline guys to be resigned, albeit.

    I thought we would wait until after the draft to see where it fell before we extended anyone else but I suppose safety is no longer a priority.


    I don't understand how people can consider Kam borderline. He has one bad season due to injury and people are saying he isn't a key person on the LoB. Everyone talked mad smack on how T-Jack played hurt, so why not Kam, who is still on the team. I can't wait until he shuts all the naysayers up. Go Hawks!
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  • Remember when our Safeties were Deon Grant and Brian Russell?

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  • My oh my, do the days of Russell and Grant seem so far past. Best safety tandem in the league and these guys still have years to go before their potential is reached. About what I expected for the money and years, but as excited as I am to have "Bam Bam the rhinoceros in cleats" back the big commitment does worry me. I can see both sides clearly but for now, I'm going to say to hell with it . Let's be stoked for this year and the immediate future. I have faith in everything they do after management.

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  • Hawk Strap wrote:Remember when our Safeties were Deon Grant and Brian Russell?

    Grant and Russell suck


    I had blacked that out.
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  • how much cap does this leave the team to sign draft picks?
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  • Bakergirl wrote:
    CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    I think you're correct in that you may be reading too much into that. Earl's contract is going to come due before Sherman's so Earl is more than likely the one Schneider has at the front of his mind for the time being. I doubt he's forgotten Sherman, but rather just looking to take care of the most urgent situation first.



    That's NOT correct. Earl's was a 5 year deal, He's entering year 4, so he'd be a free agent after 2014.
    Sherman's was a 4 year deal, he's entering his 3rd year so he'd be a free agent after 2014. So they'd both be free agents at the same time. It's just that Sherman can't be negotiated with until after year 3. Whereas Earl can.

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  • Pick6 wrote:how much cap does this leave the team to sign draft picks?


    Draft picks won't impact the overall cap very much.
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  • Well... i love Kam, but i want to see him grow. He was injured- true, but he also got picked on in the last couple games and looked like a liability at times. Now that we added Antoine, though, I suppose we have given him the perfect support around his skill set and I'm sure having a Ronnie Lott type around that may decapitate anyone at anytime with a clean hit (that the league will still fine) is a hard to replace skill.
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