Your guess at who Seattle takes at #32

[SeahawksFanForever]

Jordan Matthews already seems so Seahawky. Check out his twitter profile description: "2 Star Recruit #GodIsGood #Nupe #FlyboyCEO #KeepThatChip"

He still reminds himself that he was a 2 star recruit.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

I need to study up some more, but I think ASJ is a possibility. ASJ would be perfect for Seattle if he was as good a blocker as he should be at his size. Golden Tate was a terrible blocker at Notre Dame, it took very little time before he became not only a great blocker in Seattle but one that should be feared at times (dirty hits). Willson is developing into a good blocker for his size, McCoy is an inconsistent blocker but I think the jury is still out on him, and our WR group is full of awesome blockers across the board. I'd feel pretty good about Seattle developing ASJ as a blocker. If ASJ wants to get rich, he'll need to get better at blocking, and I personally think he's a smart guy who will be amenable to coaching.

For me, I still really like David Yankey though I now think we might be able to get him potentially as late as our #64 pick. I'm also intrigued by Notre Dame TE Troy Niklas who is pretty freakish in terms of physical talent and I don't think his tape is bad either. Would be a tough call between ASJ and Niklas. I don't get the hype for Amaro, something about him just seems off. Amaro reminds me of Travis Kelce last year. The kind of guy that savvy analytical people love, but for whom my abstract instincts hate.

ASJ is dropping. It wouldn't be value to spend our first on him.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

I would be very happy with Jordan Matthews at 32. Very Happy.

I second this. Please make this happen.

He'll definitely be there. His speed sucks. If he doesn't burn up the 40 in the combine he won't even be in the first round. He's a big Flanker, like Rice. We need somebody like this.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

I would be very happy with Jordan Matthews at 32. Very Happy.

I second this. Please make this happen.

He'll definitely be there. His speed sucks. If he doesn't burn up the 40 in the combine he won't even be in the first round. He's a big Flanker, like Rice. We need somebody like this.

I'm not sure where this critique has come from. On tape you can definitely see speed there and an extra gear to get separation.

4.46 40 is tied for 13th amongst 46 participants at WR. Honestly the list of faster WRs with that height is really bad. But here are the top times for guys 6'3" or taller since 2010:



Remember, the X receiver has needs other than just speed. They should be bigger and stronger. Not sure I'd characterize his speed as sucking.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I need to study up some more, but I think ASJ is a possibility. ASJ would be perfect for Seattle if he was as good a blocker as he should be at his size. Golden Tate was a terrible blocker at Notre Dame, it took very little time before he became not only a great blocker in Seattle but one that should be feared at times (dirty hits). Willson is developing into a good blocker for his size, McCoy is an inconsistent blocker but I think the jury is still out on him, and our WR group is full of awesome blockers across the board. I'd feel pretty good about Seattle developing ASJ as a blocker. If ASJ wants to get rich, he'll need to get better at blocking, and I personally think he's a smart guy who will be amenable to coaching.

For me, I still really like David Yankey though I now think we might be able to get him potentially as late as our #64 pick. I'm also intrigued by Notre Dame TE Troy Niklas who is pretty freakish in terms of physical talent and I don't think his tape is bad either. Would be a tough call between ASJ and Niklas. I don't get the hype for Amaro, something about him just seems off. Amaro reminds me of Travis Kelce last year. The kind of guy that savvy analytical people love, but for whom my abstract instincts hate.

ASJ is dropping. It wouldn't be value to spend our first on him.

This isn't fantasy football. He won't be there at pick 64 so if you have him graded as one of the biggest needs and he is at the top of your own board you grab him.

 

[lukerguy]

Can I wait until after UFA to make my guess?

There is really no point until then.

Though regardless of UFA, I think there's a good chance we grab a WR in the top 2 rounds. I particularly like:
Watkins
Evans
Lee
Beckem Jr.
Matthews
Cooks

In that order.

 

[Missing_Clink]

I think they take Morgan Moses if Breno walks.

 

[HawkWow]

I'm thinking Yankey or Martin. If they're both gone, but if ASJ is still there, they might go that route and it would make a ton of sense to do so. I sincerely doubt ASJ is dropping in the eyes of scouts and GMs. These guys are much more on the pulse than the asshats that create the random mock.

Paid scouts will surely understand ASJ suffered from 2 short term, minor injuries and a suspension slowed him while the team learned a new offense that featured him less, but improved him more (blocking). ASJ was asked to stay with the line much like Miller with us. It would be unfair and unprofessional to downgrade either man for being well rounded TEs, capable of doing more than catching balls. If we can retain Miller and have him tutor ASJ, while using Willson more wide, our redzone O is going to be very hard to stop once it clicks.

Harvin, Lynch and the boys between the 20s and passes to Willson and ASJ in the red? Good luck defending that size and athleticism.

Several intriguing players could fall to 32..this draft is just ridiculous. But I do hope improving the O-line is top priority.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

It's not speed really that's the problem with Matthews.

He's not a 'win the redline' type guy. He works over the middle well. He's pretty unspectacular. Not a big frame -- doesn't look like a big guy on tape even if he is 6-3. Has moments where he lacks concentration, lets it get into his chest. These are offset by some really nice grabs too, but both ends of the scale exist in his game.

It's just so difficult to get excited about a player like this. We have one of the most explosive players in the league on our roster, we'll hopefully re-sign Tate and have a guy who also offers playmaking quality. We have grit with Baldwin and Kearse is developing into a good role player.

Matthews doesn't take that group to the next level. If we're taking a wide out at #32, they need to do that. Not necessarily right away, but at least within a year or two.

Also within our scheme, we're not throwing a lot over the middle. We're challenging guys to win jump balls, we're asking them to win 1v1's and make chunk plays. Matthews just doesn't look like a fit for that.

I'll be very surprised if he goes in round one. I still think he's a R2-3 type who's getting a little push right now because he performed well at the combine. A decent #2 or #3 receiver for a team looking to build a group. For Seattle, they need to be swinging for the fences if they go receiver in round one. And if that guy aint there, look at a different position.

And if we draft David Yankey in any of the first two rounds, I'm going to let out the same horrified yell I made when they drafted Aaron Curry at #4 in 2009.

 

[cover-2]

DT Ra'shede Hageman is my guess. He is a massive man with incredible athletic ability that should be a top-10 pick, but due to his inconsistent play and a poor showing during the Senior Bowl I think it is highly likely he falls to us. I can't see Coach Carroll passing on him if he is available, Hageman's size and athletic ability fit what Carroll wants. Coach Carroll and his defensive staff put players that in the best position for them to succeed, so maybe Hageman would only be a pass rush specialist as a rookie. With the strong leadership on our defense and Carroll's player coach/easy going personality, Hageman may be able to live up to his god given ability. If Red Bryant gets cut, then Hageman can compete at the 5-tech as well at 3-tech.

On a side note, I really like watching pre-game stuff where the players hype each other up. Here is a good one of Hageman hyping up his guys.
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[penihawk]

First of all, I've given up on trying to think like PC & JS when it comes to the draft. I would think we have to concentrate on the offensive side of the ball early; WR,OL or TE depending on what happens in FA with signings,cap cuts & players going elsewhere. So having said that I guess that means we take a CB,LB & S with our first 3 picks?

A few thoughts however on the WR discussion,specifically Jordon Mathews. 206/2800/15. Those are the numbers the last 2 years playing in the "SEC"! I don't really see or agree with many of the knocks on him, I just see a guy that makes plays,good hands and does it all over the field. If you dig into Mathews as a person he fits right in with the guy we have that will be throwing him the ball. The love affair on this site with a "big" receiver scares me to death. I've seen way too many "big" receivers over the years that can do nothing but be big.

Give me production over the size/speed myth. I would love to see us trade out of day 1 and recoup our 3rd or another 4th and still take Mathews. I believe he and Brandin Cooks will be two of the more productive receivers from this deep class. I say let someone else overpay Tate and put Mathews in our wr group. I think he is next years Keenan Allen and will be the type of WR that we lack even tho he may not qualify as "BIG".

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

First of all, I've given up on trying to think like PC & JS when it comes to the draft. I would think we have to concentrate on the offensive side of the ball early; WR,OL or TE depending on what happens in FA with signings,cap cuts & players going elsewhere. So having said that I guess that means we take a CB,LB & S with our first 3 picks?

A few thoughts however on the WR discussion,specifically Jordon Mathews. 206/2800/15. Those are the numbers the last 2 years playing in the "SEC"! I don't really see or agree with many of the knocks on him, I just see a guy that makes plays,good hands and does it all over the field. If you dig into Mathews as a person he fits right in with the guy we have that will be throwing him the ball. The love affair on this site with a "big" receiver scares me to death. I've seen way too many "big" receivers over the years that can do nothing but be big.

Give me production over the size/speed myth. I would love to see us trade out of day 1 and recoup our 3rd or another 4th and still take Mathews. I believe he and Brandin Cooks will be two of the more productive receivers from this deep class. I say let someone else overpay Tate and put Mathews in our wr group. I think he is next years Keenan Allen and will be the type of WR that we lack even tho he may not qualify as "BIG".

The most productive receiver in the NFL last season is 6-3 and 225lbs and had 721 career receiving yards in college.

I'm not saying this is justification for drafting a big man with poor production, but it goes to show all types can be successful -- not just the productive receivers from the SEC.

I don't see a 'love affair' with big receivers on this site. I think that's incredibly unfair to the strong draft community on here who watch games or tape and are willing to delve into why they like certain players. I've never seen a post where someone's said, "I want Kelvin Benjamin because he's big." There are plenty of posts that just go "Jordan Matthews is really productive"...

My own personal view on Matthews is noted above, but having watched double figure Vanderbilt games/tapes I'll argue he's a very ordinary player in terms of the next level. His hands are decent, but he'll drop his fair share. There are times he'll let a pass get into his body, thump him in the chest and he's got 30 yards of green in front of him. He's not a 'win the redline' type of player who'll go up and get the football -- he's better working across the middle (Seattle prefers to take shots at the red line). He's often credited for having unflappable character, yet this scouting report (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/ ... id=2543500) by Nolan Nawrocki states, "Can be moody and has some diva in him."

I wouldn't assume people don't rate Matthews as a first rounder just because of his size (which isn't even that bad, even if he is quite wiry). I can only speak for myself, but I just think there are far better players in the draft.

 

[penihawk]

U can unruffle your feathers Mr. English my comments weren't directed at you.

I think we both know that Josh Gordon's college production was due to his love affair with smokin dope instead of being a commited football player. I am just stating my opinion based on what little time I have to" watch game tape and delve into why I like certain players." I'm pretty sure my opinion and football expertise rival yours, trivial at best. I apologize for casting a vote for the wrong guy.

As for the moody diva thing, I heard Gil Brandt state quite the opposite and he is a smart kid academically. I guess if you read it on the internet it's the gospel?

I guess if we are gonna have a run it twice and throw it up and hope someone goes up and gets it offense then I will change my vote to Benjamin, even tho I question his ability to ever consistently go get it.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

U can unruffle your feathers Mr. English my comments weren't directed at you.

I think we both know that Josh Gordon's college production was due to his love affair with smokin dope instead of being a commited football player. I am just stating my opinion based on what little time I have to" watch game tape and delve into why I like certain players." I'm pretty sure my opinion and football expertise rival yours, trivial at best. I apologize for casting a vote for the wrong guy.

As for the moody diva thing, I heard Gil Brandt state quite the opposite and he is a smart kid academically. I guess if you read it on the internet it's the gospel?

I guess if we are gonna have a run it twice and throw it up and hope someone goes up and gets it offense then I will change my vote to Benjamin, even tho I question his ability to ever consistently go get it.

No feathers unruffled peni. I answered as someone who's argued a lot for the team to draft one of the bigger receivers in this draft class. I didn't think it was directed to anyone in particular.

It's also not a case of casting a vote for the right or wrong guy. You referred to a love affair on the site with big receivers. That's the point I challenged. Not your right to vote for Matthews.

 

[aawolf]

My vote is for Morgan Moses, if he's there, and that's a big "if". Moses strikes me as a guy that can play across the o-line and last year thought us we need more depth there. If not addressed in free agency, we need o-line help on our roster badly. Hageman intrigues me at 32 as well. I'd go for ASJ, out of the players that could be there because he may be able to help on blocking the edge.

I'm anti-WR-in-the-first-round, as I think value will be there in later rounds in this deep WR draft. Also, remember, we spent a first round pick, a third, and a ton of cap room on WR last year in Harvin and we are not as desperate at that position.

 

[kigenzun]

I vote for Kelvin Benjamin.

 

[randomation]

I vote for either o line or someone who doesn't drop easy passes consistently ie KB if we decide to take a receiver in the first I almost hope we move up and take Evans because I think he is the best recieving talent in this draft and made jf look a lot better then he really is in college

 

[DavidSeven]

If the reason you want a big WR is to improve redzone efficiency, I don't see how you can ignore Kelvin Benjamin. All he does is catch TD passes -- over 25% of his total receptions (and that ain't a knock!). Huge catch radius, which has translated to terrific endzone production. He is exactly what you're looking for. That being said, I don't think he falls to #32.

Jordan Matthews isn't the answer there. I don't think he's a fit with Seattle. Does most of his damage over the middle and doesn't get in the endzone enough for a guy who has so many receptions/yards. Seattle's receivers are expected to own the sidelines, and I don't see Matthews being a great weapon there in spite of his height. Could be a good player in another system and might be worth a flyer for Seattle in a later round, but I don't think he warrants a reach.

 

[justafan]

I think the knocks on him of not being good as a redline WR, concentration catching the ball or not going up for the ball are all very coachable and easy to change if a player has the intelligence,work ethic and desire.Well documented in JMs case.That is his strong suit.
Physically there is nothing stopping him from developing into a great WR.Looking at what the coaches did with last years WRs I dont see a problem.

As far as having great production across the middle,thats not a bad thing.Thats a must if you want a WR to be great IMO.In fact its the first time I have ever seen that as a knock against a WR.That takes a lot of balls to work the middle of the field and that cant always be taught.This team could use a larger target with the courage to work that area of the field.
One of my favorite things about Mathews is I dont think we would have to worry about him spending a year or two still learning the route tree.

If he does have a little Diva in him,good deal most of the great ones do.
And just like every year I want an OL over a WR in the first round.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

In fact its the first time I have ever seen that as a knock against a WR.

The catching over the middle remark isn't a knock, it's in relation to Seattle's offense. We simply don't ask our receivers to do a lot over the middle. We want to win the redline and take shots.