Wilson confirms Seahawks tried to trade him in 2018

[Sgt. Largent]

It's 2022. This trade was talked about in 2018. You want to trade RW in 2018, who just came off 38 TDs and 11 INT and almost 4000 yards passing for a rookie QB from Wyoming?

For a team with the rest of it's roster on the decline with an imminent rebuild in 2021 and 2022?

Yes. Because trading Russ in 2018 and drafting Allen means this team's right NOW competing for another SB, and not in a rebuild without a QB.

 

[SonicHawk]

For a team with the rest of it's roster on the decline with an imminent rebuild in 2021 and 2022?

Yes. Because trading Russ in 2018 and drafting Allen means this team's right NOW competing for another SB, and not in a rebuild without a QB.

Should have been rebuilding in 2018 with a still capable Russ.

 

[JPatera76]

man allen to Dk or Locket.. thing of beauty it wouldve been

 

[toffee]

For a team with the rest of it's roster on the decline with an imminent rebuild in 2021 and 2022?

Yes. Because trading Russ in 2018 and drafting Allen means this team's right NOW competing for another SB, and not in a rebuild without a QB.

The more intriguing question would be, what could we have gotten for a QB just came off 38 TDs and 11 INT and almost 4000 yards passing?? 5 first round picks? certainly more than an older QB coming off a broken finger, right?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Should have been rebuilding in 2018 with a still capable Russ.

That's my point, it's very difficult to rebuild the bulk of your roster having one or no #1 draft picks because you traded them away for a temporary player or idk...........say a box safety that's now damaged, and if you do it's in the low 20's.

Doesn't matter the pro league, the worst thing you can be is mediocre treading water.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Largent,
The whole 'run heavy is a better team for the playoffs' sounds like something you are making up because you want it to be true Largent.

Probably because it isn't true.

Take a list of the top rushing offenses in the NFL. Are they among the top playoff teams? Do they have ANY correlation to success?

Now do the same thing with passing offenses.



Teams with the most attempts? Titans, Eagles, Ravens, Saints

Most yards? Eagles, Colts, Ravens, Browns

Yards per carry? Colts, Browns, Seahawks, Eagles

By that measure, the Eagles should have had a greased runway to the SB.


Passing:

Most attempts : Bucs, Chiefs, Chargers, Steelers, Bills
Yd Attempt: Bengals, 49ers (?), Rams, Cards
Yds - Bucs, Chargers, Cowboys, Chiefs

Which list would you like your team to be at the top of?

Yes, if you have NO run game - then you have little chance (see Steelers) but otherwise you don't need or really even want a top 5 run game. You just need a bang average run game with an exceptional passing game to be a playoff contender.

Because passing the ball and stopping the pass is what gets you wins in the playoffs.
Hint: Rams had a terrible rushing defense. Nobody cared.


The problem with running the ball is that the rules are stacked against you. Every benefit of the doubt goes to the passing game. And it doesn't matter. That isn't the debate.
Pete WOULD run the ball more with Allen than the Bills. And that would mean Allen would be nowhere near the numbers he is putting up on the Bills.

 

[toffee]

Does commentors on dot net represent the mood of ticket buying 12s? I think Russ' victimhood cards turned more cheers into boos on dot net, do you feel the same way? or the silent majority are still cheering?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Largent,
The whole 'run heavy is a better team for the playoffs' sounds like something you are making up because you want it to be true Largent.

Probably because it isn't true.

Take a list of the top rushing offenses in the NFL. Are they among the top playoff teams? Do they have ANY correlation to success?

Now do the same thing with passing offenses.



Teams with the most attempts? Titans, Eagles, Ravens, Saints

Most yards? Eagles, Colts, Ravens, Browns

Yards per carry? Colts, Browns, Seahawks, Eagles

By that measure, the Eagles should have had a greased runway to the SB.


Passing:

Most attempts : Bucs, Chiefs, Chargers, Steelers, Bills
Yd Attempt: Bengals, 49ers (?), Rams, Cards
Yds - Bucs, Chargers, Cowboys, Chiefs

Which list would you like your team to be at the top of?

Yes, if you have NO run game - then you have little chance (see Steelers) but otherwise you don't need or really even want a top 5 run game. You just need a bang average run game with an exceptional passing game to be a playoff contender.

Because passing the ball and stopping the pass is what gets you wins in the playoffs.
Hint: Rams had a terrible rushing defense. Nobody cared.


The problem with running the ball is that the rules are stacked against you. Every benefit of the doubt goes to the passing game. And it doesn't matter. That isn't the debate.
Pete WOULD run the ball more with Allen than the Bills. And that would mean Allen would be nowhere near the numbers he is putting up on the Bills.

So you're just completely discounting the fact that when we had the #1 rush offense in the league we went to SB's, and would rather parse a very fine line between playoff run heavy and pass heavy teams? Gotcha.

Balance, it's about balance. You Pete haters have created some fantasyland false narrative that he loves to run the ball too much.

No, he wants a balanced attack through a punishing run game that opens up play action and an effective passing attack that protects the ball. Just as 80% of other HC's in the league try to do every year.

And to say there's no way Allen would be effective in this sort of offense is insane. Dude would ball out here just as he is in Buffalo playing for a VERY similar coach and coordinator.

It's a dumb argument. Physical run game, short to mid high percentage passing game that opens up play action to take deep shots with a tough athletic elusive QB that can create on his own.

That's EXACTLY what Russ did for a decade, to great effect. So enough already.

 

[Hawknballs]

All I can say is that time will tell.

I like Pete but he's only had one winning season without Wilson and that was in '97 when he took over an 11 win NE team and won 10, then 9, then 8 games.

We saw last night the separation a team has with a good QB. We don't have one of those, anymore. We won't have one of those for the foreseeable future. I think we can expect to play just hard enough to not have a shot at the top QB in the upcoming draft.

Hopefully this is not just hubris. I was hard on Russ because for all his talk of winning, not being willing to take a pay cut to put a team around him made him sound hypocritical. However if they have been actively trying to trade him for years then I don't blame him for not taking a team-friendly deal when they are willing to let him go and are also expecting him to play within their system when he has much more to his game.

You aren't going to hear stories about the Bengals trying to trade Joe Burrow or the Bills trying to trade Josh Allen. Honestly I wonder how much all of that affected the play on the field the past few years when coach and QB are not on the same page and I can't blame Wilson for that.

 

[scutterhawk]

That would be impossible to do if you are running 2/3 of your drive.

The throws would be more on 3rd down with the defenses pinning their ears back on you.

No doubt Carroll would love Allen. But I highly doubt Allen would put up near the same numbers or have near the same success, with Carroll trying to sit on the ball.

You forgot to preface your spiel with 'In My Opinion', because YOU DON'T KNOW how effective a QB Allen would have been for the Seahawks.
Pete Carroll coveted Russell Wilson for his scrambling acumen, and how it tied in with the Run Offense.
Allen throws a WAY FASTER ball, AND, he get's the ball out faster than Wilson; last nights' game, Donald's attack was pretty much neutralized because of how quickly he was getting the ball out, AND without a doubt, PETE CARROLL would have been HANDS OFF with Allen & his style of play.
The Bills Defense played balls out last night, but Josh Allen kicked some Aaron Donald ass too.
AND I'm here to tell you, that Josh Allen WOULD be a major upgrade to Geno Smith.

 

[Hawknballs]

Josh Allen would be good on any team he went too, end of story.

 

[scutterhawk]

It's 2022. This trade was talked about in 2018. You want to trade RW in 2018, who just came off 38 TDs and 11 INT and almost 4000 yards passing for a rookie QB from Wyoming?

Well OBVIOUSLY, John & Pete saw enough in this Josh Allen "Rookie QB from Wyoming" to TRY and make that trade happen, Yes--No?
It also tells me that Wilson was Likely not wanting to (or maybe couldn't) uptick on Reading Defenses quick enough, and was relying more on his scrambling ability to buy time....PETE KNEW that his quickness & escape abilities were going to wane & he also knew that the NFC WEST Defenses were closing a lot of Wilsons' escape routes, and wanted Wilson to put in more effort to tie in with the OC's, to help him alleviate all those Hits, Pressures & Sacks...Results? Bevell = NO, Schottenheimer = NO and Waldron = HELL NO.

 

[seatownlowdown]

It's 2022. This trade was talked about in 2018. You want to trade RW in 2018, who just came off 38 TDs and 11 INT and almost 4000 yards passing for a rookie QB from Wyoming?

well, apparently john schneider wanted to. and looking back, that absolutely would have been the right move. too bad pete/ownership nixed any potential deal. allen was a prototype for a qb coming out of wyoming. suuuuuure... pete gave wilson the keys to the offense and wilson subsequently had nearly 4k yards and 38 tds, and where did that get us? a paltry 9-7 record.

so by the end of 2017, with a 9-7 record, beatmode was gone, LOB was finished, and there were just holes all over the roster. and the team was backpedaling, needing an infusion of young bluechips to replace the talent that had evaporated. that offseason wilson got his demands met and became the NFL's highest-paid player in 2019 when he signed a four-year, $140 million extension. perhaps we could have used a rookie allen and a freed up ~$35 million per year to rebuild the depleted roster instead of putting bandaids on everything.

 

[Broncos_Fan]

Poor little Russ, big bad Carroll. Team Russ is working overtime painting victimhood for the Monday matchup where the long suffering Russ will finally play as he is capable of without being handcuffed by evil Pete.

So Russ answering the question when it was asked at a press conference and saying that it is part of the business is him trying to play the victim? Yeah.....sounds about right.

 

[toffee]

Well OBVIOUSLY, John & Pete saw enough in this Josh Allen "Rookie QB from Wyoming" to TRY and make that trade happen, Yes--No?
It also tells me that Wilson was Likely not wanting to (or maybe couldn't) uptick on Reading Defenses quick enough, and was relying more on his scrambling ability to buy time....PETE KNEW that his quickness & escape abilities were going to wane & he also knew that the NFC WEST Defenses were closing a lot of Wilsons' escape routes, and wanted Wilson to put in more effort to tie in with the OC's, to help him alleviate all those Hits, Pressures & Sacks...Results? Bevell = NO, Schottenheimer = NO and Waldron = HELL NO.

OK, I don't have an insider info or evidence, but I think John Schneider was the one doing all the look see, and ready to pull the trigger. Pete wasn't onboard with this approach, he was playing it safe, try to ride Russ to more rings.

With that speculation, I often wonder if Pete/John power structure experienced any changes in the past months? Could Jody make some changes? Our drafting in 2022 has a different approach?

 

[toffee]

So Russ answering the question when it was asked at a press conference and saying that it is part of the business is him trying to play the victim? Yeah.....sounds about right.

We can revisit after a few season, you may have a different opinion by then

 

[LeaveLynchAlone]

So Russ answering the question when it was asked at a press conference and saying that it is part of the business is him trying to play the victim? Yeah.....sounds about right.

You do know where you are, don't you?

 

[SonicHawk]

This board would have absolutely lost its shit if Russ was traded for Josh Allen in 2018. Also, our roster would have been as equally crap now.

 

[scutterhawk]

All I can say is that time will tell.

I like Pete but he's only had one winning season without Wilson and that was in '97 when he took over an 11 win NE team and won 10, then 9, then 8 games.

We saw last night the separation a team has with a good QB. We don't have one of those, anymore. We won't have one of those for the foreseeable future. I think we can expect to play just hard enough to not have a shot at the top QB in the upcoming draft.

Hopefully this is not just hubris. I was hard on Russ because for all his talk of winning, not being willing to take a pay cut to put a team around him made him sound hypocritical. However if they have been actively trying to trade him for years then I don't blame him for not taking a team-friendly deal when they are willing to let him go and are also expecting him to play within their system when he has much more to his game.

You aren't going to hear stories about the Bengals trying to trade Joe Burrow or the Bills trying to trade Josh Allen. Honestly I wonder how much all of that affected the play on the field the past few years when coach and QB are not on the same page and I can't blame Wilson for that.

So, what you're saying, is that Wilson didn't/doesn't have room for improvement?
Pete tried to help Wilson EXPAND on his game, to learn how to Speed-Read Defenses, utilize the Offensive schemes that his Offensive Coordinators were laying out, Wilson was either Unwilling or Unable to digest (tie in the play-schemes with quick-reading) And Defenses ARE getting Younger & Faster, so the ball HAS TO COME OUT A LOT QUICKER because he cannot outrun these speedsters like he used to do.
With Age, comes Sage, BUT what also comes with Age is a slowing down.
Brady & hell, even Rodgers has shown that you can use your tools + experience (time in the trenches) to your advantage...I'm not saying that Wilson doesn't give it his ALL when he plays, just that for some reason, he doesn't, or can't use all those same tools to his advantage.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This board would have absolutely lost its shit if Russ was traded for Josh Allen in 2018. Also, our roster would have been as equally crap now.

You're probably right on your first statement, but not sure how you can think you'd be right on your second.

Russ in his prime would have fetched a king's ransom, even if it included the #1 overall. PLUS you'd have Allen AND on his rookie contract in 2018-2021, which means another 30-40M of cap space to spend on elite free agents and keeping your own great players.