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I was not impressed with Jefferson or Woods. I think they both are easily replaceable. People are high on Jefferson but his stats are relatively the same as they always have been, quite meh.
JayhawkMike":3cec2j2i said:Or Plan D in that they were too dumb to either sign Clowney early or cut bait and are left with scraps and we end up with another worthless Ziggy clone or two meaning A player that used to be good but now sucks.
This season (2019), Green has played in every game, starting six of them, and in addition to his team-leading sack total, two of which have come in the past four games, he also has 20 tackles, three forced fumbles, a fumble recovery he returned 36 yards to set up an eventual score, and a blocked field goal on special teams.
"He's doing great," Carroll said. "I'm just happy that he's been such a factor now. He's really playing consistently at run and pass, which is great. Forcing fumbles and being active in the backfield rushing the passer. He's playing multiple spots. He's grown into it. He's a big part of what we're doing ....
"He's playing great ball," Jefferson said. "You can tell he's more confident in his game. His urgency on the field, he's playing great ball. You can see his knowledge has broadened, he's starting to recognize stuff and putting himself into position to make play, so it's pretty dope… The biggest thing in this league is just getting playing time, so this year he's getting more playing time, he's healthy, he's getting more reps, and you can see him getting better and better each week."
Jville":yxw4dwa3 said:Regarding Rasheem Green ..............
This season (2019), Green has played in every game, starting six of them, and in addition to his team-leading sack total, two of which have come in the past four games, he also has 20 tackles, three forced fumbles, a fumble recovery he returned 36 yards to set up an eventual score, and a blocked field goal on special teams.
"He's doing great," Carroll said. "I'm just happy that he's been such a factor now. He's really playing consistently at run and pass, which is great. Forcing fumbles and being active in the backfield rushing the passer. He's playing multiple spots. He's grown into it. He's a big part of what we're doing ....
"He's playing great ball," Jefferson said. "You can tell he's more confident in his game. His urgency on the field, he's playing great ball. You can see his knowledge has broadened, he's starting to recognize stuff and putting himself into position to make play, so it's pretty dope… The biggest thing in this league is just getting playing time, so this year he's getting more playing time, he's healthy, he's getting more reps, and you can see him getting better and better each week."
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Don’t really agree with that. People still think Clowney can get better; with Griffen, you’re hoping he doesn’t drop off too much. There shouldn’t be question of who is more “talented”.KiwiHawk":k4d8r0fz said:Another factor is that with Griffen on the market you have two free agents of similar talent at the same position, and when one signs, the value will be set for the other one. Sometimes that creates a stare-down and it comes down to which one blinks first.
Rat":28ea2ia3 said:Don’t really agree with that. People still think Clowney can get better; with Griffen, you’re hoping he doesn’t drop off too much. There shouldn’t be question of who is more “talented”.KiwiHawk":28ea2ia3 said:Another factor is that with Griffen on the market you have two free agents of similar talent at the same position, and when one signs, the value will be set for the other one. Sometimes that creates a stare-down and it comes down to which one blinks first.
jammerhawk":3sy58nrh said:Vaclav the plan seems to be Clowney at our price or bust. Please don't think i'm being critical of your post as I mostly agree with it. Meanwhile any other alternative remains largely ignored. Seattle traded a 3rd for Clowney, while that in itself isn't much, most of us thought it was such a good deal and JS was a wizard. However, if Clowney isn't re-signed combined with the 2nd traded away for Richardson which was for another 1 year wonder a good bit of young and inexpensive potentially high quality talent is just lost. That cumulative loss is what we are seeing now on the DLine. When added to the disaster that was McDowell some scrutiny of their plan needs to happen. If they are planning as a fall back if no Clowney on trading away a 1st plus a 2nd to get Ngakouie then the team runs a high risk of losing a 1st, 3-2nds, and a 3rd round pick for 1 year deals that strip the team of quality young players on inexpensive rookie contracts, should Ngakoue not re-sign. If that appears to you to be wrong I'd be in agreement I remain concerned that the plan doesn't presently seem at all apparent except Clowney at our price or bust.
There is to me little doubt the team won't pay Clowney $20 mil or I suspect close to that either. At present the team holds a slight advantage as Clowney can't travel for medical assessments so his market is depressed. If the advantage is removed or worked around Clowney may sign elsewhere and then there is a cupboard of other proven edge rushers that has emptied out. The chief offseason focus for solution namely fixing the pass rush isn't solved and the team potentially faces another season weaker than the last. Is there a plan B, or C, or is D the unfortunate potential reality? The team had the lowest pass rush sack success of any team against the pass last season so perhaps it's hard to get worse but without something being done things will likely be worse.
Of course perhaps there is a plan we don't know about, or a trade that is quietly being kept silent which will make Jn'P look like wizards again, but you can only go to that well so many times. There is little doubt they are good at building teams that can compete. I am just confused by the lack of attention to this primary area of team need. I also can't yet see where the cap space to sign Clowney will come from either. I just don't believe the draft is going to bring the answers for the pass rush this draft. Where's the pass rush going to come from?
If this appears just me being critical I'm certainly not alone. Perhaps this is a polaroid picture that is slowly developing and I just need to be patient to see it, but as lifelong fan I am allowed to be concerned. I truly hope I'm wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Sgt. Largent":2rmrc0bm said:jammerhawk":2rmrc0bm said:Sgt. Largent":2rmrc0bm said:Seahawk_Dan":2rmrc0bm said:So what's the 4D Chess strategy that PC&JS have? The only players signed in mass have been scrub olinemen and one solid trade for Quinton Dunbar, a defensive back. Hardly addresses the underlying issue of a crap pass rush.
Irvin and Reed are a start, and I assume John isn't done.
So let's all hold out collective breath...................now breath out slowly and wait until AFTER free agency is over before kicking John and Pete in the nuts.
Considering this was to be the offseason priority Jn'P haven't addressed the problem at all and in fact they have not got better and arguably regressed. The question posed by Dan is a fair question, is there any plan at work here, b/c it isn't very clear? Where's the beef?
The cupboard of proven edge rushers is now mostly empty and they seemingly are at a stalemate with Clowney that may see the cupboard totally empty out before it is possibly resolved negatively for the team. Irvin is an upgrade but not by much over Ansah, but that doesn't account for the loss of Jefferson, he was better than Jackson. Reed was here last season so that is a push. No Woods but Mone was taking his reps by the end of the season so that is a push or close enough.
In fact the D has been neglected and the only two defensive deals of any hope for improvement are with Irvin and Dunbar. It's confusing to watch b/c it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Not kicking in the nuts but these guys need to fix the pass rush and the draft isn't looking that good for the source of help.
It's a fair question and criticism on August 30th, not March 24th.
It's like going to Red Robin and complaining about how terrible your burger tastes before it's even to your table.
Sgt. Largent":194och70 said:Never the less, this is the point in free agency where new teams aren't all of a sudden going to jump into the mix and pay him more. Caps are set, most first wave FA's are signed, it is what it is for him. Not sure what waiting is accomplishing.
BASF":38ijqx5t said:Sgt. Largent":38ijqx5t said:Never the less, this is the point in free agency where new teams aren't all of a sudden going to jump into the mix and pay him more. Caps are set, most first wave FA's are signed, it is what it is for him. Not sure what waiting is accomplishing.
I am pretty sure that he is thinking that if he can wait out the virus and he can get physicals by teams to assuage their fears, so he can get his long awaited payday.
Appyhawk":2fl84xaa said:According to what I've read the only Clowney suitors left are Seattle and the Titans. I don't know the Titans financial status but I it seems like they've spent a ton of money in FA already this year. There are conflicting reports regarding the number the Seahawks are reportedly offering. I think the 13.5 is too low. The 18.5 report sounds much nearer to reasonable. Clowney turned down 17 from the Dolphins. Shouldn/t be too much longer before this deal is resolved.